people who smoke and then later on develop cancer..

[nofx]

I feel no pity for them, I actually find it funny.

you reap what you sow. dont act surprised like "OMG WHAT!? I have CANCER?!"

but i'm sure hospitals, health insurance companies, and the pharmaceutical industry fucking love them. milk them for their money till they are dead.

god bless us all

[Spunky]

I agree.I have been smoking for over 20 years..I expect it actually

[brizzad]

my dick gave your ass cancer and aids

[xclusive]

I totally agree it's a foolish thing to do if you value your life

[nofx]

pill them up with false hope and line your pockets with their money

the companies have nothing to lose but a source of revenue, but tons of people have cancer so its no problem really.

[Furious_Male]

We all have our vices most of which aren't beneficial for our body in respect to health. I do feel for people suffering from cancer regardless of whether or not they brought it on themselves.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by nofx

I feel no pity for them, I actually find it funny.

you reap what you sow. dont act surprised like "OMG WHAT!? I have CANCER?!"

but i'm sure hospitals, health insurance companies, and the pharmaceutical industry fucking love them. milk them for their money till they are dead.

god bless us all

Well for people of today yea sure I agree with yea.. But for people such as my grandfather whom died of lung cancer.. Back then the tobacco companies told all kinds of lies about smoking and it not being hazardous to you.. Hell they even went as far as to claim it was good for you.

Wasn't until the last 20 years or so that they were forced to come clean and tell about how bad that shit is.

[BJ]

yes, and the same argument can be made for fat people, live shorter=cost less money

[broke]

Originally Posted by PureMeds

yes, and the same argument can be made for fat people, live shorter=cost less money

Obesity is poised to take over the coveted #1 cause of death spot in the States.

Funny -- let's all laugh at all the fatties.

[BJ]

Originally Posted by broke

Obesity is poised to take over the coveted #1 cause of death spot in the States.

Funny -- let's all laugh at all the fatties.

obesity=stupidity

[broke]

Originally Posted by PureMeds

obesity=stupidity

= funny?

[nofx]

Originally Posted by brizzad

my dick gave your ass cancer and aids

i'm going to get my boy lil boosie to come give you STDs of ten different shades and colors.

[nofx]

Originally Posted by Furious_Male

We all have our vices most of which aren't beneficial for our body in respect to health. I do feel for people suffering from cancer regardless of whether or not they brought it on themselves.

why would you feel sorrow for someone who brought cancer unto themselves?

they chose their own path of self destruction, why pity them?

incidents of random cancer occuring in a random healthy person , yea, feel sorrow for them but not anyone who smoked 2 packs a day for ten years...

take another drag on that cigaratte, I enjoy watching you kill yourself.

[BJ]

Q. I was just wondering if smoking has a negative effect on bodybuilding and fitness?

A. I assume you started working out because you want to be healthy, not make your body rot from the inside out! Over the years I have trained many smokers, and have found out the biggest reason they ened up quiting was the negitive effects smoking had on their performance. With bodybuilding, a reduction in workout performance means less muscle building results and thus an inferior physique. This reduction in performance is compounded by the fact that smoking directly destroys all of the body's cells. This includes muscle cells!

Smoking Has The Following Negitive Impact On Performance:

* Smoking reduces fitness levels through irreversible respiratory-system damage: This means that one cannot train as long, and the quality of training they do engage in is compromised. Smoking has an immediate effect on respiration, increasing airway resistance and therefore reducing the amount of oxygen absorbed into the blood.

* Often the determining factor, that allows one to succeed in bodybuilding, is whether they can complete that all important final rep, or that extra half-an-hour of cardio. Smoking significantly reduces the likelihood of either of these things. Smoking slows down lung function and reduces lung growth, leaving the smoker literally gasping for air when they need it most.

* The heart-beat of a smoker is 30% faster, on average, than that of a non-smoker: This forces the body of the smoker to expend more energy (in the form of heart-beats) to keep up with their non-smoking counterparts. This faster heart-beat is due to the stimulating effect of nicotine. The resulting increase in heart-rate, and blood pressure, paradoxically, decreases the flow of blood through the blood vessels, and this, in turn, reduces performance.

* Those who smoke produce phlegm more than twice as often as non-smokers: Phlegm builds up in the airway and prohibits correct respiration (breathing). This is because smoking causes chronic swelling of the mucus membranes.

* Tobacco significantly reduces oxygen availability to the muscles during exercise: Carbon monoxide in tobacco smoke has a higher affinity to haemoglobin (an oxygen carrying molecule in the blood) than does oxygen. Smoking, therefore, encourages the replacement of oxygen with carbon monoxide and, resultantly, causes oxygen depletion and a corresponding reduction in performance.

Carbon monoxide has a two-fold negative effect, in that it reduces the amount of oxygen absorbed into the blood from the lungs, and the amount that is absorbed into the muscles from the blood. Oxygen is important for the functioning of all energy systems in the body, so any mechanism which interferes with oxygen transport and uptake interferes with energy production, and therefore, athletic performance.

* The tar in cigarette smoke adds to airways resistance. This tar coats the lungs, reducing the elasticity of the air sacs and resulting in the absorption of less oxygen into the bloodstream.

* Tar also affects the cleansing mechanism of the lungs, allowing pollutants to remain in the bronchial tubes and lungs. Increased phlegm and coughing, and damage to the cilia (the hair-like projections which "sweep" pollutants out of the airways) are the result.

* Decrease in maximal oxygen intake... Although exercising can increase maximal oxygen uptake by up to 20%, smoking can reduce this effect by up to 10%.

* Research also shows that cigarette smoking probably damages cells in the testes - the cells that synthesize testosterone. Testosterone levels within the body govern the muscle growth process from training. Thus, smoking may well hinder optimal testosterone production and interfere with the body?s capacity to build muscle.

* Another recent study examined the effects of smoking on exercise recovery. Chronic exposure to the nicotine in cigarettes leads to insulin resistance, making nutrient transport into muscles and other tissues more difficult. This study demonstrated that the muscles of young men who smoked, recovered a lot slower from exercise compared to non-smokers. Results showed that smoker?s muscle glycogen replenishment rates were much slower compared to non-smokers. This means that smoking directly interferes with insulin/glucose metabolism in muscle. The bottom like here is that smokers do not recover efficiently from exercise.

To Conclude: Smoking is linked to cancer, cardiovascular disease, heart damage, inadequate testosterone levels and poor insulin metabolism; these factors must equate to poor results from bodybuilding.

[nico-t]

i dont value my life and hope i die soon

[TheDoc]

Here are some statistics with smoking and cancers. It's not a bad read.

http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/E...Vol-1/e1-4.htm
Yes, it is true, smoking does not cause lung cancer. It is only one of many risk factors for lung cancer. I initially was going to write an article on how the professional literature and publications misuse the language by saying "smoking causes lung cancer"1,2, but the more that I looked into how biased the literature, professional organizations, and the media are, I modified this article to one on trying to put the relationship between smoking and cancer into perspective. (No, I did not get paid off by the tobacco companies, or anything else like that.)

When the tobacco executives testified to Congress that they did not believe that smoking caused cancer, their answers were probably truthful and I agree with that statement. Now, if they were asked if smoking increases the risk of getting lung cancer, then their answer based upon current evidence should have be "yes." But even so, the risk of a smoker getting lung cancer is much less than anyone would suspect. Based upon what the media and anti-tobacco organizations say, one would think that if you smoke, you get lung cancer (a 100% correlation) or at least expect a 50+% occurrence before someone uses the word "cause."

Would you believe that the real number is < 10% (see Appendix A)? Yes, a US white male (USWM) cigarette smoker has an 8% lifetime chance of dying from lung cancer but the USWM nonsmoker also has a 1% chance of dying from lung cancer (see Appendix A). In fact, the data used is biased in the way that it was collected and the actual risk for a smoker is probably less. I personally would not smoke cigarettes and take that risk, nor recommend cigarette smoking to others, but the numbers were less than I had been led to believe. I only did the data on white males because they account for the largest number of lung cancers in the US, but a similar analysis can be done for other groups using the CDC data............

[Spunky]

We all have to die sometime..die young

[nico-t]

word. i like smoking & lung cancer

[bangman]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Here are some statistics with smoking and cancers. It's not a bad read.

http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/E...Vol-1/e1-4.htm
Yes, it is true, smoking does not cause lung cancer. It is only one of many risk factors for lung cancer. I initially was going to write an article on how the professional literature and publications misuse the language by saying "smoking causes lung cancer"1,2, but the more that I looked into how biased the literature, professional organizations, and the media are, I modified this article to one on trying to put the relationship between smoking and cancer into perspective. (No, I did not get paid off by the tobacco companies, or anything else like that.)

When the tobacco executives testified to Congress that they did not believe that smoking caused cancer, their answers were probably truthful and I agree with that statement. Now, if they were asked if smoking increases the risk of getting lung cancer, then their answer based upon current evidence should have be "yes." But even so, the risk of a smoker getting lung cancer is much less than anyone would suspect. Based upon what the media and anti-tobacco organizations say, one would think that if you smoke, you get lung cancer (a 100% correlation) or at least expect a 50+% occurrence before someone uses the word "cause."

Would you believe that the real number is < 10% (see Appendix A)? Yes, a US white male (USWM) cigarette smoker has an 8% lifetime chance of dying from lung cancer but the USWM nonsmoker also has a 1% chance of dying from lung cancer (see Appendix A). In fact, the data used is biased in the way that it was collected and the actual risk for a smoker is probably less. I personally would not smoke cigarettes and take that risk, nor recommend cigarette smoking to others, but the numbers were less than I had been led to believe. I only did the data on white males because they account for the largest number of lung cancers in the US, but a similar analysis can be done for other groups using the CDC data............

Nice. Time to upgrade to 3 packs a day

[nico-t]

wow nice facts. im gonna smoke one again now

[PixeLs]

Stop while you still can.. I quit smoking fo almost a year now and I'm very thankful with that decision I made..

[pornstar2pac]

people who smoke don't realize that when you do get cancer, you have about 2 years to live and the two years are a slow painful death. it sucks, i saw it happen to my father and wouldn't wish it apon my worst enemy

[nico-t]

me love cancer looooooooong time!

[MicroChick]

Originally Posted by nofx

I feel no pity for them, I actually find it funny.
you reap what you sow. dont act surprised like "OMG WHAT!? I have CANCER?!"

You are one negative sick unfeeling bastard. Everyone has addictions and faults. The decent thing is to wish them well and give your support. People like you should be sent to Iraq.

[nofx]

Originally Posted by MicroChick

You are one negative sick unfeeling bastard. Everyone has addictions and faults. The decent thing is to wish them well and give your support. People like you should be sent to Iraq.

good ole confucy comes out of the woodworks to insult me, how lovely.

oh sorry that because my opinion(s) are different than yours, you view me as negative. sorry that I dont stalk people and get restraining orders against me like you.

give them my support? why? because they are stupid, weak and retarded and smoked cigarettes for fifteen years and now they developed cancer and I must give them pity. fuck no.

fuck those people. I have not one ounce of sorrow in my body for people who are weak and cave into their own self destructing addictions. I want to go volunteer at a hospital so I can sneak into the rooms and laugh at all the cancer patients who smoked cigarettes for years and are now rotting their stupid lives away in a dull little hospital room with a tv.

people like you should come over to my house so I can dropkick you in the throat and then I could laugh as you run around crying.

[broke]

Oh how I long to be a dumbass "college kid" again...

[sexybabe]

Originally Posted by pornstar2pac

people who smoke don't realize that when you do get cancer, you have about 2 years to live and the two years are a slow painful death. it sucks, i saw it happen to my father and wouldn't wish it apon my worst enemy

It happens my father also.he cannot able to eat or drink last 1 year.

[Zester]

smokers don't understand that they danger their family and friends.
your 2 year old baby will suffer a lot more damage than you when he inhales it from your cloths.

[webjoker]

[je_rome]

I knew that later on I am gonna get cancer that's why I quit smoking long time ago and lived a clean lifestyle ever since.

[nofx]

Originally Posted by webjoker

ROFLROFL

[Zester]

smoking causes impotence

[BlingDaddy]

Originally Posted by nofx

I feel no pity for them, I actually find it funny.

you reap what you sow. dont act surprised like "OMG WHAT!? I have CANCER?!"

but i'm sure hospitals, health insurance companies, and the pharmaceutical industry fucking love them. milk them for their money till they are dead.

god bless us all

Yeah.... cancer is HILARIOUS... especially when a doctor tells a woman she has "Ovarian Cancer". It's even funnier when she's never had a drink of alcohol in her life or smoked anything... I always think to myself, HAHA! OMG! You got the ovarian! You can never have kids!"

I would point out that many fine hospitals treat those with cancer, many insurance companies pay for it, and many pharmaceutical companies are desperately trying to find cures for many kinds of cancer. You think that's cheap?

Do you feel any pity for the coal workers of Virgina or the Asbestos removers of the 1970's? Probably not. (They get cancer you know) WAIT A MINUTE! I FORGOT! All SMOKERS GET CANCER!

Not true, cancer strikes without discrimination, and some smokers live longer than non-smokers. Cancer is a cruel malady, and to see someone wish it, and even revel in it among others makes me spit. Thank you.
Bling Daddy

[nofx]

Originally Posted by BlingDaddy

Yeah.... cancer is HILARIOUS... especially when a doctor tells a woman she has "Ovarian Cancer". It's even funnier when she's never had a drink of alcohol in her life or smoked anything... I always think to myself, HAHA! OMG! You got the ovarian! You can never have kids!"

I would point out that many fine hospitals treat those with cancer, many insurance companies pay for it, and many pharmaceutical companies are desperately trying to find cures for many kinds of cancer. You think that's cheap?

Thank you.

Bling Daddy

we are not talking about ovarian cancer here.

i'm talking about how I feel no feelings of sorrow or pity for smokers who get lung cancer and then they whine/cry/bitch about it.

they are weak, their own self destructing habit killed themselves and now at the end of their life are lining the pockets of hundreds of CEO's who used their money to buy some cocaine or to pay off their lexus car note. who's laughing at who in the end?

[broke]

Originally Posted by nofx

who's laughing at who in the end?

In th end, we're all laughing at you.

[BlingDaddy]

Originally Posted by nofx

we are not talking about ovarian cancer here.

i'm talking about how I feel no feelings of sorrow or pity for smokers who get lung cancer and then they whine/cry/bitch about it.

they are weak, their own self destructing habit killed themselves and now at the end of their life are lining the pockets of hundreds of CEO's who used their money to buy some cocaine or to pay off their lexus car note. who's laughing at who in the end?

Okay... let's not talk about "ovarian cancer". So what you're saying is, anyone who has ever smoked deserves to die a slow, painful death due to a creeping cell form that mutates.

Hospitals take care of heroin addicts. Hospitals take care of people who are in car wrecks. And so do pharmaceutical companies. And yes, they are lining their pockets. (If you formulate the next drug that stops all kinds of cancer are you going to do it for free?)

"Who's lauging at who in the end" is not really up to me. I can give you a list 10 deep of "self destructing" habits. Why focus on cancer? Go after them all if you like!

[BlingDaddy]

I laugh in the face of fat people! The amount of food you eat makes me laugh! Although this is a treatable disease where you may learn to eat what you need is here, the fact that you ate yourself to death gives me no sorrow!

Fat people with Cancer are even better! Didn't you know saccharin was bad for you?!

And as for you people that are out there living under high voltage power lines, that's not my problem! (Even though it can be proven to cause cancer). Just fuckin move!

BTW I had to cut my vacation in Chernobyl short. The kids dying all around me that had cancer and all were just tooooooo much! They must have deserved it for living there. Maybe their parents smoked.

[RayBonga]

[toddler]

Originally Posted by Zester

smokers don't understand that they danger their family and friends.
your 2 year old baby will suffer a lot more damage than you when he inhales it from your cloths.

uh...what?

[iwantchixx]

whether you smoke or not, you'll all have cancer later on.

PLASTIC


think about that..

it's in contact with you EVERY day

touches your food... is touching your food at high temps too.

everything you touch is platic.

[go4$]

not me

[Dirty Dane]

They all ask for it; polluting, supersizing, alcoholism, drug addiction, overdose, wrong use of medics, self-caused diabetes, bad hygiene, unsafe sex, not eating vitamins, eating gene manipulated and poisoned food, not moving away from places that has chances of nature disasters, not careful with dangerous animals, playing with fireworks, playing with fire, getting a dangerous job, expose yourself for radiation and microwaves, buying weapons, fighting, lying, cheating, stealing, not wearing seat belt, not wearing a bike helmet, not brushing teeth....could go on and on, but not much symphaty left

[DWB]

Smoking is stupid. No doubt about it. I don't smoke cigs, never will.

My best friend who has never smoked a cig in his life, is a male model, trains HARD 5 days a week and has been for 15 years. He eats healthy, never eats junk or does drugs... but was just told last month he has throat cancer. Go figure.

[reynold]

talk about regrets.....you can enjoy smoking now and eventually die because of stupidity.

[biftek]

it does not take a general practitioner to understand that all the diseases attributed to tobacco are multifactorial, often with hundreds if not thousandsof different causes which interact differently in every single human in function of hundreds of ever-changing variables.

Another complication is that all the diseases attributed to tobacco also occur in non smokers. It is therefore clear that it is impossible for multifactorial epidemiology to confidently isolate single co-factors such as primary or passive tobacco smoke exposure; thus, it is impossible to quantify the contribution (if any at all) of tobacco in a death or disease

The scientific evidence is just not there, says But maybe we've gone past the point where anyone cares about the facts

[escorpio]

The smokers I have known that have died of cancer didn't whine and bitch. They had a very clear understanding that their self destructive habit lead them to where they were.

[reed_4]

am glad i don't smoke.

[gangbangjoe]

i never started smoking and im fucking glad...


the damage to you and the ones around you
the terrible smell of all your clothes
the costs

[uno]

I'm out and I'm too lazy to go to the store. Maybe I'll quit till Vegas.

[Zester]

Originally Posted by toddler

uh...what?

example:
Dana has a 4 month years old baby.
she smokes but she doesn't want her baby to suffer from it so when the drug takes over he pathetic weak mind she gets out of the baby's room and has a smoke.
then she comes back and hold the baby - the baby than inhales the material of the smoke from her clothes (which she can not smell) and suffers a much bigger damage than the mother.

got it now? or is it so obvious my first language isn't English?