bigdog

Do you guys think that oversaturation is a myth and that the more people seeing the site the better sales you will get because it's already been branded out to surfers?

Mutt

not sure .... well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

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NoCarrier

oversaturation of free porn is not a myth.

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Doctor Dre

100 % sure it isn't.

I had a very good add once... was making TONS of sales and I mean literally tons . On 2 sponsors... I was converting teen tgp traffic at 1:150 or so ... was targetting my traffic right . It happened that two of the sponsors I was using this add on started using it too, and giving it away to every other tgp owners of there. I used it for a month and a half before they did that. (one of thoses 2 is out of business, and the other one made good).

After it was everywhere arround other tgps, my signups started dropping... more and more everyday. Eventually, after less then a month, I was at 1/4 of what I was initially.

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when that happens, you reinvent like Madonna

Barefootsies

Correct. Free porn's everywhere. So much so, a lot of people will not pay for it. I can think of countless meetings I've been at in just the last year where people are baffled I can make in this business.

Some of the classic lines are,..

"Why would I pay when I can get my fix for free?"

"Who would actually PAY for porn when it's all over the net?"

There are plenty of others myself, and others here have heard as well. For me, I simply figure that they are easy to please, and just some ta-ta's or naked women will be enough for them to rub one out.

However, if you are in a niche market, then it's not quite that simple. Few do it, much less do it well. One example is a foot flying through the air is not foot fetish, no matter how much some want to brand it as such.

Back on topic, I do not think being 'branded' is a bad thing. I think that the free porn flood of the past half decade or so is however. You have a lot of people that believe, as above, they do not have to pay since they can get everything for free. The only way you are going to get them to whip out credit cards if you can develop a certain something you do better than the rest, or a particular model, or something.

What was that quote from Pirates of Cilicon Valley? "You have to show them there is a need, and you are the only one with the solution".

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woj

What else would explain lower and lower conversions each year?

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Show me the free long play porn movies like you can get inside a members area.

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Barefootsies

There are a lot of 'reasons'. I like to go out and bounce ideas off my friends, and others who surf a lot of porn, but do not buy. I ask them what THEY look for, and when if ever they would buy. Things that piss them off, and never visit a site again and so on.

While it doesn't help my niche, it does help on figure out how and why these guys of different computer skill surf, and what they look at. What they hate, love, and so forth. Using them as a testing ground has always been beneficial.

One of the main things surfers are getting tired of the circle jerks, and learning about the different things on sites to the point they are recognizing codes, and other things. I am not saying the people I talk to are the AOL winners, but they are a mix of some savy, some not on a computer. They are starting to learn the internet to the point of avoiding certain sites, and bookmarking others.

While I agree with a lot of people's comments on the board over the years, they are just a surfer who is not going to buy, so who cares if you jerk them off, and bounce them all over? There are some who WILL buy if you have soemthing of interest to them. But if you circle jerk them, they are learning to never come back.

I would rather have someone come through once a week, than 1 click, and never return. However, the freeloaders will deal with all of the CJ's and other things to keep from paying for anything. So it's a series of tradeoffs when dealing with bandwidth burners.

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I tend to agree with this. Since 2000 I've seen differing ad models/page filtration models that did really well. Once other people started using those models and text structure, conversions crapped out.

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tony286

you talk to the old timers who got in early and you can find its not a myth.

Veterans Day

newsflash, 99% of males dont need long play movies to get off and move on with their daily routines, negating a paid membership.

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BlazingBucks_Ryan

Over Saturation .... Or just plain old Saturation is not a myth...

I do see why you are asking the question you are asking though. My thoughts on this are if the surfer sees the same recognizable name over and over they will remember the name and it will stick in their head. "1000 Facials" is one of our sites for example that a surfer is likely to remember. If the surfer runs into the same FHG once a day for 30 days with the same pictures, banners, and the same tour when they visit it you are not likely to make the sale unless it appeals to them very strongly and it was purely a "I don't have the money" decision not to signup the first time.

If the surfer sees the same site name, same banners, but different pictures.. They are likely to click into the tour to see if the pictures on the tours have changed at all as well. If the tour hasn't changed enough to really catch their interest chances are small that they will signup.

If the surfer sees the same site name but different banners advertising the site and different pictures they are much mroe likely to check the site out again because "Hey I liked the first FHG I saw with them.. and I like this one.. they seem to offer different content every time i see them advertised... So I'm going to take another look at their tour"

At this point you have two options... You have a staitc tour that hasn't changed the surfer sees the same pics and you are trying to make the same sale to the same surfer who got there with different pictures. Possibly but not that likely. The best route is going with a dynamic tour on top of all of this:

The surfer sees 1000 Facials again being advertised with a different template, different graphics, and different pictures being used. They remember also liking the last set of pictures they saw this site advertising enough to check out the tour but the tour didn't impress them that much.. They figure they will check it out again though. This time a dynamic tour is in place and on top of all this other stuff being fresh they are also seeing new girls added to the tour. The surfer then feels not only are the chances better that the site is updating much more regularaly but the surfer is more likely to see something else they like on the new tour and remember a girl that was hot from the last time they saw the tour. All of this combined might lead to a sale.

So if you get them to check out a paysite 4 or 5 times given the method I just described (with a variety of content) they are much more likely to puchase a membership because they will see the value and believe the site updates more frequently making them more comfortable with their purchase. They will not look at your site as a place that only has a few of the same pictures all over the net. The thought process would be "If they are keeping their advertisements fresh and unique as well as the look of the tour every time I visit - The members area is probably kept fresh the same way"

Surfers aren't stupid like they were 6 years ago, and they understand little things like this. Even if they don't consciously state it they realize it. Put yourself in the surfers shoes, which one of the above methods would you most likely signup under if the site caught your attention but just not quite enough the first time you saw it?

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Saturation sounds believable

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beemk

oversaturation works to your advantage for some traffic and works to your disadvantage to other traffic. tgp oversaturation on sponsors not only lowers conversions, but if you're submitting you cant get listed very easy. search engines is a whole different story.

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