oh and I still wish everyone in this thread a GREAT christmas! wheter you drink or not...or wheter you think alcoholism is a disease or not! ;)

is insanity a sign of a healthy person?

Dude?...hahaha...ok, i see who i am talking to now....

Maybe one day you will live your life and have some insight and undertanding to just what it is i am trying to say here....

I do walk the walk....those who have not gone down this path, have no biz talking about something they clearly know not a thing about.

Its ok....

and merry xmas to you too.......


one more thing, do something for me, if you dont mind, next time, find out just how many jails are full of people that are there because of the drugs and booze, tell them your wise idea.."change your behaviour"...or here is another one for ya....the guys sleeping in the boxes downtown on skid row, go down there and tell them they can change there behaviour...lol......

or next time if someone is trying to rob you at gun point to pay for a hit of some smack, instead of handing them your wallet ...tell them to "change there behaviour"

You prove my point on just how fucking stupid most people are to this.....and its ok, its not your fault.

I love my booze.

Main Entry: dis·ease
Pronunciation: diz-'Ez
Function: noun
: an impairment of the normal state of the living animal or plant body or one of its parts that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions and is a response to environmental factors (as malnutrition, industrial hazards, or climate), to specific infective agents (as worms, bacteria, or viruses), to inherent defects of the organism (as genetic anomalies), or to combinations of these factors : SICKNESS, ILLNESS called also morbus; ?compare HEALTH 1 ?dis·eased /-'Ezd/ adjective

Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

MikeHawk obviously drinking leads to mental problems known as addiction in certain people who are predisposed to it. Addiction is an entire different class of disease. The way alcoholics use the word, as in "I have a disease and I need help!" is a total cop-out and you know it. That is where my gripe is, that is all I wanted to say. I think we should leave the semantics to the linguists and Webster?s.

i'm thinking you have a drinking problem or the like but don't want to confront it...

lol...com...now to be fair...lets list them all:

Definitions of disease on the Web:

an impairment of health or a condition of abnormal functioning
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

A disease is any abnormal condition of the body or mind that causes discomfort, dysfunction, or distress to the person affected or those in contact with the person. Sometimes the term is used broadly to include injuries, disabilities, syndromes, symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts these may be considered distinguishable categories.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease

a term of health status; when something is wrong with a bodily function
www.jhsph.edu/publichealthexperts/Glossary.htm

Disease can be defined in three ways:
http://www.med.uwo.ca/ecosystemhealt...n/glossary.htm

Process injurious to health and/or longevity
www.weightlosssurgery.com.au/index.php

A condition of an organic being or of one of its parts that impairs normal living functioning.
www.iffgd.org/GIDisorders/glossary.html

A condition of being sick from a particular cause. Different plants and animals often suffer from certain diseases. Some animals are known to carry diseases that effect other organisms. For example, a beetle carries a fungus which causes Dutch Elm Disease in elm trees.
http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordL...s/glossary.htm

An abnormal condition of a plant in which its physiology, morphology, and/or development is altered under the continuous influence of a pathogen. (3)
ppathw3.cals.cornell.edu/glossary/Defs_D.htm

an abnormal bodily condition of a living plant or animal that interferes with functioning and can usually be recognized by signs, symptoms, and illness.
whyfiles.larc.nasa.gov/text/kids/Problem_Board/problems/biosphere/glossary.html

stress condition produced by the effects of a pathogen on a susceptible host.
scarab.msu.montana.edu/historybug/glossary.htm

Any condition that prevents the body from working as it should other that direct injury.
ricegenomics.plbr.cornell.edu/glossary.htm

A condition of an organism that impairs normal physiological function. Also see Infectious Disease.
fightaidsathome.scripps.edu/glossary.html

Any abnormality of bodily structure or function, other than those arising directly from injury.
http://www.canadapharma.org/Patient_...lossary_Terms/

A deleterious change in the body's condition in response to destabilizing factors, such as nutrition, chemicals, or biological agents.
highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0070294267/student_view0/glossary_a-d.html

Diseases may be caused by microorganisms or by environmental factors such as a lack of available iron in the soil or excess water.
http://www.ottawa.ca/residents/healt...ssary_en.shtml

Illness, sickness. An interruption, cessation, or disorder of body functions, systems, or organs. Top of page
http://www.rationaltherapeutics.com/...e/glossary.htm

can be defined as a derangement in the function of the whole body of the host or any of its parts.
www.fao.org/Wairdocs/ILRI/x5436E/x5436e04.htm

A condition of the body in which there is incorrect function due to heredity, infection, diet, or environment.
http://www.mdk12.org/instruction/cur...glossary.shtml

a pathological condition that is cross-culturally defined and recognized.
oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth370/gloss.html

a condition, caused by living organisms or environmental changes, that impairs the normal functions of a living organism.
www.ipmalmanac.com/glossary/index.asp

a state in which a function or part of the body is no longer in a healthy condition
lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/allergybegone/glossary.html

A medical concept, which serves for communication between doctors. Disease does not exist as such in nature. What medicine conceives as disease is a tolerance decline accompanied by WOB complaints
http://www.what-is-cancer.com/papers.../glossary.html

a medically definable process, in terms of pathophysiology and pathology. Illness is what the patient experiences.
www.therubins.com/geninfo/Definit.htm

Presence of some pathology or abnormality in a part of the body. Bacteria and viruses cause many such diseases Tolerance ? In pharmacology, the ability to tolerate larger and larger doses of a drug after each exposure to it.
http://www.uwic.ac.uk/shss/dom/newwe...l/Glossary.htm

Disorder or pathology that affects health.
http://www.moh.govt.nz/moh.nsf/0/15f...256b6b0002b038

Any departure from health; a particular destructive process in an organ or organism with a specific cause and symptoms.
http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7...7394--,00.html

Sleazy I drink on occasion and I puke on occasion, but my drinking does not affect my home or work life, and it doesn't cause me to be violent with others, so I don't consider it a problem. People can enjoy alcohol without relying on it.

You should print this page out and file it away... or have one of those services email it to yourself in 10 years.

Just as an experiment.

if you drink till you puke, even if it's on occasion - that means you have a problem.

puking is your body's way of telling you that you drank more than your body can safly handle and you have to puke to save your life as if you process the rest of what is inside you you will die.

drinking and puking means you have a drinking prolem.

thats funny :thumbsup

LOL I know much more people that have been drinking for 10+ years, with "some" excess from time to time, without having any further problems, than I know alcoholics...

Are saying that if the guy is drinking he will probably become an alcoholic within 10 years??? Might not be your point, but thats how I understand it...

Hal ...thank you!

You and Tassy have a merry Xmas!

this might be the part that Hal was talking about:

Originally Posted by jasonir
Sleazy I drink on occasion and I puke on occasion


Normal every day drinking...dont think that includes "pukeing"...lol


Hey ..i am going to have this very expensive dinner and a nice bottle of wine ...with my wife or girlfriend...then i am going to puke.... :eek7

Like the drug addicts who want the people around them to be addicted, it seems the reformed alcoholics think everyone who drinks should believe they have a problem.

Just sayin.

:thumbsup :helpme :thumbsup

LOL well I will agree that if puking is part of your drinking routine, you have a problem haha ;)

on the other hand, most people I know have already been sick from alcohol!...just...not on a regular basis LOL

i'm still drinking BUT - i try and not drink till i puke. not saying it hasn't happened. but i have NO PLANS of it ever happening again. when it has happened it happened by accident - with hard stuff - and i didn't realized the volume consumed. - to plan to drink till one pukes - to plan to drink again and know it will be to the point where one pukes - shows a problem.

it doesn't take a reformed alcoholic to see that.

Nawww man you missed the boat...all together.....


Its more like this...misery loves company...while you puke next time, look up at who is around you at that moment...lol


I am at most webmaster shows, i dont ever tell anyone what they should do, etc....i would rather see everyone party, this way its fun to me, cause i know i have the 150% advantage over them, drunk and hung over..i own your ass....its biz baby, end of the day...we are here to make the money!

If I thought someone seriously needed to go to Betty Ford, NA, AA or whatever, I probably wouldn't name them because I wouldn't want to embarass them. If the person seriously had a problem, I would confront them in private and try to lead them toward some help rather than calling them out in public. Am I being too soft?

Although if they started throwing things off the balcony at shows and what not, I might have to slap them around a bit.

It's the same with me man, drinking at a bar, going home with some friends, and not realizing how heavy I'm pouring. It's definitely not a regular occurence and it's definitely something I try to avoid. I think I'll go out and buy myself some measured pourers ;)

now that's twisted - almost as twisted as the GHB that I plan on putting in your pop next show

I'm sorry, but I usually go with the standard de facto.
Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

Anyhow good night guys... and always remember... everything in moderation

Good one!

Hey everyone have a very safe holiday, it was fun, i am heading to bed, or Santa wont come...lol

Words to live by:

"everything in moderation"

Everything but crack, heroin, meth, unprotected sex with HIV infected hookers... thought terminating cliché?s should be frowned upon, not propped up on a pillar.

Merry Christmas :kisskiss

Did I also forget to mention I don't cater to the lowest common denominator? Granted it's still blatently obvious that not everyone got their fair share of common sense, I'll leave the catoring up to a capable mediator like yourself!

Friends, breathing should not be done in moderation. Breathe as much as you like.

(Alright, this has been beaten to death. :1orglaugh )

I came into this thread looking for fun and frivolity...WTF? Did someone hijacked this thread. ; )

same here and now I need a drink so I can forget I may have a drinking problem....

well I am going to submit a name...well ok I don;t have his name...but it is that guy that AaronM beat up in San Diego

I spent about 6 years in AA. Didnt drink or do any drugs at all for about 9. Then I figured it out. I really didnt have a drinking problem. My life was just fucked up. Alcohol was a factor but it wasnt the big thing I thought it was.

So once you figured that out, did you go back to drinking in moderation or did you still shun all alcohol?

I smoke a little and ive had about a case of beer (all but one of which was in Holland 2 summers ago lol) I can take it or leave it, really

Cool. I asked because most hardcore 12 step people say that you are never cured and can never take a drink etc. again without completely falling off the wagon and becoming a raving drunk/druggie. I've always disagreed, so its interesting to hear a real person's perspective.

jimthefiend

I dont think I was ever hardcore. But I did the 90 in 90 thing when I was first sober, went to shitloads of meetings, gave my story countless times at speaker meetings, sponsored new drunks in the program, hell even worked in a treatment center for over a year. And a few of the real hardcore drunks I worked wuth are still sober years later. Thing that turned me off to AA really was the fact that I saw people with 10+ years sober going to the same meetings day after day and week after week talking about the same problems in life that they couldnt solve. Poooooooooooor poooooooooor me. If you can figure it out after all that time take a fucking drink :1orglaugh

I didn't beat anybody up.

:thumbsup :thumbsup