Design Work... Outsource Or In-house? - GoFuckYourself.com

Odie · 12-14-2005, 11:30 AM

so do you outsource or do you have in-house designers??

I've been asking around and most companies have in-house deisgners who are always there but some outsource.
What are the pros and cons? and what qualities do you look for in a designer/company???
Do you use the same guys all the time?? If not then what does the deisgner/company have to do to get your business???

Your input would be greatly appreciated!

jade_dragon · 12-14-2005, 11:44 AM

I have never tried inhouse graphics artists, even though my partner and I have enough sites between us to warrant it.

I prefer to use US based outsourced workers while my partner usually goes with out of country workers, his efficiency is honestly higher than mine, with his work being done as he asks, for cheaper and faster. I actually had some work done for me by one of his outsourced companies just to try it and honestly they nailed the work. BUT Nick Pappageorgio was just as fast, good and well prices if not better than some of the work he is getting cranked out from india (i will rep him without hesistation for the work he did for me)

But for the most part outsourced workers from what i have shown tend to hustle for your money much harder than your average free lance designer/programmer and their culture is barter/trade based so they negotiate on every price just to get the work in. Most graphics people I have dealt with either want to tell you what and what you are not going to get in the job you ask for because they know best as an artist while you are just a businessman OR in the case of programmers they do half the work and quit or they delay and delay till you just drop them, the way to get them to do it is to pay way higher than the bid or to contract them and pay them salary.

I had a problem with it all untill i learned about macro economics and outsource/insource but i still look for local and american workers and probably always will. the good ones are good and i hold on to them when i find them.

Outsource is easier and can be much cheaper in the long run, but you risk the chance of burning through a lot of people to get what you want or getting scammed if it is out of country. Inhouse you have the power to control them through threatening to fire them and you can breath down their neck to keep them on task. Anywone else wanna chime in?

feclstrm · 12-14-2005, 11:51 AM

Depends on the scale of your project. Do you want to launch something innovative? then inhouse better be the plan or else it will only be innovative until you outsource it.

Odie · 12-14-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jade_dragon

I have never tried inhouse graphics artists, even though my partner and I have enough sites between us to warrant it.

I prefer to use US based outsourced workers while my partner usually goes with out of country workers, his efficiency is honestly higher than mine, with his work being done as he asks, for cheaper and faster. I actually had some work done for me by one of his outsourced companies just to try it and honestly they nailed the work. BUT Nick Pappageorgio was just as fast, good and well prices if not better than some of the work he is getting cranked out from india (i will rep him without hesistation for the work he did for me)

But for the most part outsourced workers from what i have shown tend to hustle for your money much harder than your average free lance designer/programmer and their culture is barter/trade based so they negotiate on every price just to get the work in. Most graphics people I have dealt with either want to tell you what and what you are not going to get in the job you ask for because they know best as an artist while you are just a businessman OR in the case of programmers they do half the work and quit or they delay and delay till you just drop them, the way to get them to do it is to pay way higher than the bid or to contract them and pay them salary.

I had a problem with it all untill i learned about macro economics and outsource/insource but i still look for local and american workers and probably always will. the good ones are good and i hold on to them when i find them.

Outsource is easier and can be much cheaper in the long run, but you risk the chance of burning through a lot of people to get what you want or getting scammed if it is out of country. Inhouse you have the power to control them through threatening to fire them and you can breath down their neck to keep them on task. Anywone else wanna chime in?

wow thanks for the input and for taking the time to write all that!

Odie · 12-14-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by feclstrm

Depends on the scale of your project. Do you want to launch something innovative? then inhouse better be the plan or else it will only be innovative until you outsource it.

why do you say that?? is that comment based on lack of trust???

Fletch XXX · 12-14-2005, 11:52 AM

hired 10 new mexican guys to pump out graphics this week! ;)

http://www.15dollargalleries.com/

feclstrm · 12-14-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Odie

why do you say that?? is that comment based on lack of trust???

Lack Of Trust?

I'd rather say Expierience.

How many programs all launch something at the same time. A great innovative idea yet when launch time comes the market is already flooded with the same idea because your out sourced designer tells the rest of his clients about your idea.

feclstrm · 12-14-2005, 11:58 AM

But:

I must add this.

There are some great designers on this board that if you made them sign a non disclosure agreement you can get excellent work done.

From expierience they are:

Machine Gun Kelly
Fletch XXX
Nick Papagerio <-- however you spell his name (the name is long the work is great)

Odie · 12-14-2005, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feclstrm

But:

I must add this.

There are some great designers on this board that if you made them sign a non disclosure agreement you can get excellent work done.

From expierience they are:

Machine Gun Kelly
Fletch XXX
Nick Papagerio <-- however you spell his name (the name is long the work is great)

ah ok great I'm glad I asked

Odie · 12-14-2005, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

hired 10 new mexican guys to pump out graphics this week! ;)

http://www.15dollargalleries.com/

10 new mexicans??? lmao..I'm picturing a room full of mexicans in your closet lol...jk :P

Fletch XXX · 12-14-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Odie

10 new mexicans??? lmao..I'm picturing a room full of mexicans in your closet lol...jk :P

in the valley you can drive and pick up mexican laborers.

i give them laptops and sit them out back.

patio is better than standing in the hot sun, or picking vegetables for the WHITE MAN!

Odie · 12-14-2005, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

in the valley you can drive and pick up mexican laborers.

i give them laptops and sit them out back.

patio is better than standing in the hot sun, or picking vegetables for the WHITE MAN!

ahahahaha...this post is useless without pics!!!

fris · 12-14-2005, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odie

so do you outsource or do you have in-house designers??

I've been asking around and most companies have in-house deisgners who are always there but some outsource.
What are the pros and cons? and what qualities do you look for in a designer/company???
Do you use the same guys all the time?? If not then what does the deisgner/company have to do to get your business???

Your input would be greatly appreciated!

i have used dynamix, machinegunkelly, adultrmx, adultblaze, team31, estup, galleryguy, tootie, sharklaser, basicman, probably a few others too, if i see someone i like with a create edge. i will use them.

already contacted thy about an upcoming project he designed a site of a person i know i saw in your portfolio.

so i will probably add you on to the list ;)

sumphatpimp · 12-14-2005, 12:14 PM

you should hire the guy who does the "skins" for gfy.
he is between color blind and dead fucking blind.
he is just simply fucking amazing.

Odie · 12-14-2005, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris

i have used dynamix, machinegunkelly, adultrmx, adultblaze, team31, estup, galleryguy, tootie, sharklaser, basicman, probably a few others too, if i see someone i like with a create edge. i will use them.

already contacted thy about an upcoming project he designed a site of a person i know i saw in your portfolio.

so i will probably add you on to the list ;)

awesome stuff Fris! Hit me up if/when you're ready to go and I'll get you set up!

Our designers are incredible and do some amazing work!

Odie · 12-14-2005, 01:34 PM

bump for my night crew ;)

Odie · 12-15-2005, 12:31 AM

nobody else has any input??? Iguess I shoulda put PICS in this htrad!!! lmao

Egomancer · 12-15-2005, 01:54 AM

Outsource the work! I worked on both sides of this, meaning that I was the guy that received outsourced work and I outsource work to others. The main reason is that it is better to work with guys that really know what they do. And cheaper (sometimes).

The downside is that in like 50% of the cases the guy disspeares and you end up loosing money, it is VERY important to find a reliable source for that...

Egomancer

aico · 12-15-2005, 02:02 AM

I say keep it in house as much as you can, but, if there is a particular aspect of what you are trying to create that someone outside may be better suited for, outsource that particular part of the project.

There is no reason why a project needs to be either completely in house or outsourced.

12-14-2005, 11:30 AM	#1
Odie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The WATER BABY! Posts: 7,040	Design Work... Outsource Or In-house? so do you outsource or do you have in-house designers?? I've been asking around and most companies have in-house deisgners who are always there but some outsource. What are the pros and cons? and what qualities do you look for in a designer/company??? Do you use the same guys all the time?? If not then what does the deisgner/company have to do to get your business??? Your input would be greatly appreciated! __________________ Odie [email protected] Are you Mobile???? MMACanada ICQ # 166208354 See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com!

12-14-2005, 11:44 AM	#2
jade_dragon Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: NEW ORLEANS/Baton Rouge BABY! Posts: 1,737	I have never tried inhouse graphics artists, even though my partner and I have enough sites between us to warrant it. I prefer to use US based outsourced workers while my partner usually goes with out of country workers, his efficiency is honestly higher than mine, with his work being done as he asks, for cheaper and faster. I actually had some work done for me by one of his outsourced companies just to try it and honestly they nailed the work. BUT Nick Pappageorgio was just as fast, good and well prices if not better than some of the work he is getting cranked out from india (i will rep him without hesistation for the work he did for me) But for the most part outsourced workers from what i have shown tend to hustle for your money much harder than your average free lance designer/programmer and their culture is barter/trade based so they negotiate on every price just to get the work in. Most graphics people I have dealt with either want to tell you what and what you are not going to get in the job you ask for because they know best as an artist while you are just a businessman OR in the case of programmers they do half the work and quit or they delay and delay till you just drop them, the way to get them to do it is to pay way higher than the bid or to contract them and pay them salary. I had a problem with it all untill i learned about macro economics and outsource/insource but i still look for local and american workers and probably always will. the good ones are good and i hold on to them when i find them. Outsource is easier and can be much cheaper in the long run, but you risk the chance of burning through a lot of people to get what you want or getting scammed if it is out of country. Inhouse you have the power to control them through threatening to fire them and you can breath down their neck to keep them on task. Anywone else wanna chime in? __________________ even ADULTS need TOYS icq: 3 6 3 2 6 6 6 7 \| aim: conglomorateman open for business, affiliates and friendships

12-14-2005, 11:52 AM	#6
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	hired 10 new mexican guys to pump out graphics this week! ;) http://www.15dollargalleries.com/ __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

12-14-2005, 01:34 PM	#16
Odie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The WATER BABY! Posts: 7,040	bump for my night crew ;) __________________ Odie [email protected] Are you Mobile???? MMACanada ICQ # 166208354 See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com!

12-15-2005, 12:31 AM	#17
Odie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The WATER BABY! Posts: 7,040	nobody else has any input??? Iguess I shoulda put PICS in this htrad!!! lmao __________________ Odie [email protected] Are you Mobile???? MMACanada ICQ # 166208354 See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com!

12-14-2005, 11:51 AM	#3
feclstrm Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 54	Depends on the scale of your project. Do you want to launch something innovative? then inhouse better be the plan or else it will only be innovative until you outsource it.

12-14-2005, 11:58 AM	#8
feclstrm Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 54	But: I must add this. There are some great designers on this board that if you made them sign a non disclosure agreement you can get excellent work done. From expierience they are: Machine Gun Kelly Fletch XXX Nick Papagerio <-- however you spell his name (the name is long the work is great)

12-14-2005, 12:14 PM	#14
sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	you should hire the guy who does the "skins" for gfy. he is between color blind and dead fucking blind. he is just simply fucking amazing.

12-15-2005, 01:54 AM	#18
Egomancer Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 2,074	Outsource the work! I worked on both sides of this, meaning that I was the guy that received outsourced work and I outsource work to others. The main reason is that it is better to work with guys that really know what they do. And cheaper (sometimes). The downside is that in like 50% of the cases the guy disspeares and you end up loosing money, it is VERY important to find a reliable source for that... Egomancer __________________ ICQ: 95-239-282 WWW: www.webprogrammers.eu WWW:www.seodev.eu Y!MSN: lord_ender If you want to outsource any work to Romania - here I am !!!! www.anotheranime.com \| www.autotrafic.ro \| www.jocurionline.ro

12-15-2005, 02:02 AM	#19
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	I say keep it in house as much as you can, but, if there is a particular aspect of what you are trying to create that someone outside may be better suited for, outsource that particular part of the project. There is no reason why a project needs to be either completely in house or outsourced.