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baddog · 12-12-2005, 02:55 PM

From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281439/

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PETER FLEMING, TOOKIE WILLIAMS' ATTORNEY: Well there are two answers, Dan. First, our petition for clemency is based-is not based upon guilt or innocence, although I want to get back to that question. And I want to be clear what we're asking for. We are asking for what, in essence is a reduction of sentence from death to life imprisonment without parole.

Fucking pussy.

SmokeyTheBear · 12-12-2005, 02:56 PM

the DA's report contains 11 examples of incidents for which he was disciplined, beginning in 1981 and continuing through 1993. They include:

a violent fight with another inmate June 30, 1981, in which he repeatedly struck the prisoner while kneeling over him;

a refusal to line up for a return to his cell Jan. 26, 1982, in which he threatened a guard;

throwing a chemical substance in the eyes of a guard Jan. 28, 1982, in an attack that resulted in chemical burns and emergency treatment;

a second attack on a guard with a chemical substance Jan. 29, 1982;

an attack on another inmate Feb. 16, 1984, in which Williams only stopped beating the prisoner when a warning shot was fired;

a threat to kill a guard June 8, 1984;

the beating of another inmate July 4, 1986 that only ceased when armed officers arrived on the scene;

another fight with an inmate that led to his own stabbing, reportedly retaliation for his ordering another inmate to be stabbed;

his continued association with the Crips street gang led to administrative segregation Oct. 19, 1988;

the beating of another inmate Dec. 24, 1991, that only stopped after a warning shot was fired;

scoreman · 12-12-2005, 02:57 PM

By executing Tookie Williams, the State of California is demonstrating that Rehabilitation is not a goal they have set for their prison population.

What I find sad is that religious idiots like Pat Robertson can petition a Governor for Clemency based upon a prisoner becoming a "Born again Christian" (search Karla Faye Tucker for more info on this bs) but let another prisoner actually do some well documented good in his life behind bars and there is not a peep from the religious camp to spare that man's life.

I just read Schwarzenegger's denial for clemency and most of the reasons center on Tookie Wilson's insistence that he is innocent. By not admitting to the crime, it was viewed as no remorse and no remorse = no clemency.

SmokeyTheBear · 12-12-2005, 02:58 PM

seems like he gets more "reformed" the closer to his death..

scoreman · 12-12-2005, 03:21 PM

Williams first real demonstration of rehabilitation came ten years ago when he began writing anti-gang books. The first was published in 1996. I don't think this is the average case where the death row prisoner finds God and anyone else he thinks can help at the last moment.

baddog · 12-12-2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

seems like he gets more "reformed" the closer to his death..

Funny how that works

escorpio · 12-12-2005, 03:27 PM

If even Young won't make the usual "poor black me" excuses for this guy he really must deserve to die.

WarChild · 12-12-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

You forgot the ending... "leaves the whole world blind"

Killing people is wrong..

Tookie does deserve to die.. but we aren't the ones that should be making that judgement.

One thing is for sure, the justice system is whacked... They are way to nice to convicted killers and way to harsh on minor offenses..

No that's the way it ends. That's some words Liberals tacked on to the end.

SilentKnight · 12-12-2005, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by scoreman

What I find sad is that religious idiots like Pat Robertson can petition a Governor for Clemency based upon a prisoner becoming a "Born again Christian" (search Karla Faye Tucker for more info on this bs) but let another prisoner actually do some well documented good in his life behind bars and there is not a peep from the religious camp to spare that man's life.

Pat Robertson demonstrates himself time and time again to be a genuine fucktard.

Lev · 12-12-2005, 03:37 PM

Europe banned capital punishment, why not the U.S., which is the supposed leader in human rights

scoreman · 12-12-2005, 03:44 PM

What makes you believe America is currently the leader in human rights?

2bet Pat · 12-12-2005, 03:44 PM

i feel he should be executed. i would feel the same way regardless of his race. he kiled 4 people, and his victims aren't getting their life back. He has to pay for his crimes of murder, just like Mcveigh, Gary Gilmore, Gacy, etc.

SilentKnight · 12-12-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lev

Europe banned capital punishment, why not the U.S., which is the supposed leader in human rights

What of the rights of the victims and their families?

seeric · 12-12-2005, 03:48 PM

the jail riots are gonna be oof the hook after this happens

AmateurFlix · 12-12-2005, 03:50 PM

I frequently read the arguement in discussions like these that the death penalty doesn't actually reduce incidents of violent crime; I don't think this is a reason to get rid of the death penalty though, a more reasonable arguement would be to bring back public executions, especially in cases like this.

This Tookie idiot wanted to be a public figure and lead a group of thugs, let them see where it leads to.

pocketkangaroo · 12-12-2005, 03:59 PM

He broke the law and now must pay the consequences. If you don't want to be executed, don't fucking kill people. Simple as that. I don't think he showed mercy for the people he killed.

If you don't like the death penalty, then vote people out of office who support it. Simple democracy.

EZRhino · 12-12-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nembrionic

"Thou shalt not kill". Same book.

Same book says that you must honor the law of the lands in which you live.

Same book says that God ultimately judges ones fate to go to heaven or hell but says nothing that we cant hurry that appointment up for special people like Tookie.

The justice system worked well this time

J.R. · 12-12-2005, 04:09 PM

I cannot wait for Scott Peterson's.. I may sit home and drink
beer in celebration of that Vein Pumping Day!

nico-t · 12-12-2005, 04:13 PM

the death penalty is medieval and non western.

Paul · 12-12-2005, 05:03 PM

A lot of anti death penalty folk argue that by killing murderers it makes the executioners just as bad as the actual murderers. Can anti death supporters explain this concept to me ?

Young · 12-12-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

If even Young won't make the usual "poor black me" excuses for this guy he really must deserve to die.

Hey I said earlier in this thread that there are flaws in the death penalty that make minority's more prone to getting it. lack of defense funds for possible exculpatory evidence, expert witnesses....having a jury of your peers represented at trial.

I am still not FOR the death penalty, nor am I against it. It has its need, and it has flaws.

but.....

the Tookie Williams case is not one that involves any flaws....I believe the Death Penalty worked in this case. 4 lives for 1...seems like an even exchange to me.

grumpy · 12-12-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by smack

no, i am with you.

i do not beleive it is within the powers of the state to execute people.

so do i, let the parents of the kids who he killed kill him or any other volunteer, there are enough around.

Young · 12-12-2005, 05:18 PM

nico-t · 12-12-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coatsy

A lot of anti death penalty folk argue that by killing murderers it makes the executioners just as bad as the actual murderers. Can anti death supporters explain this concept to me ?

you take another persons life, and sometimes the court even makes a mistake so they accidentally execute someone who later appears not to be guilty.

Id say let all the lowlife scumbags like pedos and murderers rot in jail their whole life, i bet thats more suffering for them then the death penalty. Especially for the pedos.

SmokeyTheBear · 12-12-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

" an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind "

No that's not the way it ends. That's some words Liberals tacked on to the end.

actually it was ghandi , but close enough

Rob · 12-12-2005, 05:31 PM

I agree with you 100%.

If they pardoned him then every con on death row will start writing children's books!

je_rome · 12-12-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

An eye for an eye.

...makes the world more blind

WillyFRESH · 12-12-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by who

If one individual decides someone ought to die, they are a murderer, but if 20 individual people decide someone ought to die, there's nothing wrong with it?

Human beings are simply ridiculous. What are we doing with our intelligence?

got any better ideas? let's hear them...

Young · 12-12-2005, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by je_rome

...makes the world more blind

wow..a sig whore actually said something that made me think for a second.

baddog · 12-12-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

you take another persons life, and sometimes the court even makes a mistake so they accidentally execute someone who later appears not to be guilty.

Id say let all the lowlife scumbags like pedos and murderers rot in jail their whole life, i bet thats more suffering for them then the death penalty. Especially for the pedos.

Kill them all, let God sort them out

nico-t · 12-12-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Kill them all, let God sort them out

i dont believe in god..

Skillz Unlimited · 12-12-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wdsguy

bring it up niggggasssssss

wow. You should put that shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger. I hope you accidently shoot yourself one day.

Skillz Unlimited · 12-12-2005, 06:09 PM

People kill me being opposed to the death penalty. Lethal injections is not that bad AND they are behind closed doors. Only a select few people can be there. In foreign countries they will hang your ass in front of the town. Back in the day they would behead you in front of the town or put you in front of a firing squad. This world has and always will live by the motto, an eye for an eye. Tookie is lucky he lives here and not in some foreign country.

Would you rather let him sit in jail and live off of our tax dollars?

bdld · 12-12-2005, 06:29 PM

lets cook him up and get it over with already.

King Adam · 12-12-2005, 06:31 PM

I don't know what to think. Most of the people in prison will never rehabilitate ... ever. All we do is waste more money and taxes on these losers when we could be spending it more wisely.

I don't think we have the right to "play god" and take lives on a government level. But I do believe that if someone kills another, they deserve to pay.

What about punishing people with paralysis. You kill someone or rape someone, the government takes away your ability to rape or kill again. Without the use or arms or legs, it would make it pretty damn hard. Then they can live the rest of their lives in punishment for what they did. Sometimes I think death is an easier way out.

webair · 12-12-2005, 06:34 PM

honestly...i don't think we have the right to choose with regards to who dies and when...

Thats really all i can say on this topic

spacedog · 12-12-2005, 06:34 PM

It is between God & him. He will be judged accordingly.

LiveDose · 12-12-2005, 06:37 PM

He's used up enough oxygen. His crimes are horrific not evening including the 'organization' he started...

mhende6600 · 12-12-2005, 06:41 PM

He wrote childeren books...fuck that, that means nothing, but since we are all going to die anyway death means nothing. I say halfway kill him

SilverTab · 12-12-2005, 06:45 PM

Im against death penality....even more if the prisonner changed his behavior...

shows that they don't really care about rehabilitation...

adultchica · 12-12-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scoreman

Williams first real demonstration of rehabilitation came ten years ago when he began writing anti-gang books. The first was published in 1996. I don't think this is the average case where the death row prisoner finds God and anyone else he thinks can help at the last moment.

I agree with that. I think in the last 10-12 years of his life he learned and became wiser and even almost peaceful. But killing 4 people and then beating people almost to their death it's hard to forget that.

I am not sure what to say on this I wouldn't want to have to decide someone's life or death on a jury.

All i can say is I hope he found his peace with God and within himself

AmateurFlix · 12-12-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverTab

shows that they don't really care about rehabilitation...

rehabilitation isn't for the benefit of the convict, it's for the benefit of the society he would be placed back into - so in an instance where that is not a concern, why should they bother trying to 'rehabilitate' them?

SilverTab · 12-12-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

rehabilitation isn't for the benefit of the convict, it's for the benefit of the society he would be placed back into - so in an instance where that is not a concern, why should they bother trying to 'rehabilitate' them?

you're right....!

Still won't change my mind on death penality ;)

Fetish · 12-12-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Young

His last appeal was just rejected as of 3:08 eastern time zone.

I am a minority, left wing, liberal, democratic blue stater and i can see past this guys bullshit. Who gives a fuck how many kids books he wrote? He's responsible for starting arguably the most dangerous street gang ever.

If someone kills one person an argument can be made for redemption and a pass on the death penalty. When someone is responsible for taking 5 lives, then there is no fucking excuse. He is a perfect candidate.

I hope his veins explode.

I agree. He should die a horrible death.

SilverTab · 12-12-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Young

I am a minority, left wing, liberal, democratic blue stater and i can see past this guys bullshit. Who gives a fuck how many kids books he wrote?

you are still FOR death penality though! the fact that you are a liberal or even a communist doesn't mean anything in this case!....You are eighter for or against death penality!...

aeon · 12-12-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Funny how that works

It's easy to kill a n1gger that was born and raised poor...you don't see DuPonts or Kennedys on death row.

There aint not rich people on death row. The only difference between us and iraq...we execute based on financial worth

Marshal · 12-12-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by smack

no, i am with you.

i do not beleive it is within the powers of the state to execute people.

escorpio · 12-12-2005, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverTab

Im against death penality....even more if the prisonner changed his behavior...

shows that they don't really care about rehabilitation...

He was not sent to prison to rehabilitate himself, he was sent to await his death. That was the sentence and after 24 years of exhausted appeals it will happen tonight.

reed_4 · 12-12-2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverTab

Im against death penality....even more if the prisonner changed his behavior...

shows that they don't really care about rehabilitation...

but there are excemption to that man. sometimes death sentence should be set to be a deterrent to those criminals.

TraZz · 12-13-2005, 12:37 AM

This guy obviously has no remourse for what he has done. Not to mention he has no regards for the law or for human life in general. What good can possible come from someone who has spend 6 1/2 years in solitary confinement. He should be put away for life with people to the same caliber as him. Let them take eachother out and figure out between themselves who deserves to live or die. Shove food through a hole 3 times a day and send them clean clothes once a week with no guards monitoring them. Eventually, they will all die from colera or some other disgusting desease... hehe Our prison system is club med compared to the housing facilities in Russia, Europe and Im sure you've heard of stories from the Middle East.

On another note, it costs almost the same amount of taxpayer dollars to house an inmate than to employ a gradeschool teacher. Thats why the studies our junior high school students endure is a joke compared to the schools in Europe and the middle east.

12-12-2005, 02:56 PM	#52
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	the DA's report contains 11 examples of incidents for which he was disciplined, beginning in 1981 and continuing through 1993. They include: a violent fight with another inmate June 30, 1981, in which he repeatedly struck the prisoner while kneeling over him; a refusal to line up for a return to his cell Jan. 26, 1982, in which he threatened a guard; throwing a chemical substance in the eyes of a guard Jan. 28, 1982, in an attack that resulted in chemical burns and emergency treatment; a second attack on a guard with a chemical substance Jan. 29, 1982; an attack on another inmate Feb. 16, 1984, in which Williams only stopped beating the prisoner when a warning shot was fired; a threat to kill a guard June 8, 1984; the beating of another inmate July 4, 1986 that only ceased when armed officers arrived on the scene; another fight with an inmate that led to his own stabbing, reportedly retaliation for his ordering another inmate to be stabbed; his continued association with the Crips street gang led to administrative segregation Oct. 19, 1988; the beating of another inmate Dec. 24, 1991, that only stopped after a warning shot was fired; __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

12-12-2005, 02:57 PM	#53
scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	By executing Tookie Williams, the State of California is demonstrating that Rehabilitation is not a goal they have set for their prison population. What I find sad is that religious idiots like Pat Robertson can petition a Governor for Clemency based upon a prisoner becoming a "Born again Christian" (search Karla Faye Tucker for more info on this bs) but let another prisoner actually do some well documented good in his life behind bars and there is not a peep from the religious camp to spare that man's life. I just read Schwarzenegger's denial for clemency and most of the reasons center on Tookie Wilson's insistence that he is innocent. By not admitting to the crime, it was viewed as no remorse and no remorse = no clemency. __________________

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	seems like he gets more "reformed" the closer to his death.. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

12-12-2005, 03:21 PM	#55
scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	Williams first real demonstration of rehabilitation came ten years ago when he began writing anti-gang books. The first was published in 1996. I don't think this is the average case where the death row prisoner finds God and anyone else he thinks can help at the last moment. __________________

12-12-2005, 03:27 PM	#57
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Lev Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,545	Europe banned capital punishment, why not the U.S., which is the supposed leader in human rights

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2bet Pat Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 565	i feel he should be executed. i would feel the same way regardless of his race. he kiled 4 people, and his victims aren't getting their life back. He has to pay for his crimes of murder, just like Mcveigh, Gary Gilmore, Gacy, etc. __________________ CLICK SIG FOR THE DAILY WEBMASTER POKER SCHEDULE ICQ: 590-428 Great deals on sex toys

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AmateurFlix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 7,762	I frequently read the arguement in discussions like these that the death penalty doesn't actually reduce incidents of violent crime; I don't think this is a reason to get rid of the death penalty though, a more reasonable arguement would be to bring back public executions, especially in cases like this. This Tookie idiot wanted to be a public figure and lead a group of thugs, let them see where it leads to. __________________

12-12-2005, 03:59 PM	#66
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	He broke the law and now must pay the consequences. If you don't want to be executed, don't fucking kill people. Simple as that. I don't think he showed mercy for the people he killed. If you don't like the death penalty, then vote people out of office who support it. Simple democracy.

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nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	the death penalty is medieval and non western.

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Paul Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,637	A lot of anti death penalty folk argue that by killing murderers it makes the executioners just as bad as the actual murderers. Can anti death supporters explain this concept to me ?

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12-12-2005, 06:09 PM	#83
Skillz Unlimited Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Califor Posts: 1,541	People kill me being opposed to the death penalty. Lethal injections is not that bad AND they are behind closed doors. Only a select few people can be there. In foreign countries they will hang your ass in front of the town. Back in the day they would behead you in front of the town or put you in front of a firing squad. This world has and always will live by the motto, an eye for an eye. Tookie is lucky he lives here and not in some foreign country. Would you rather let him sit in jail and live off of our tax dollars?

12-12-2005, 06:29 PM	#84
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	lets cook him up and get it over with already.

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King Adam Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Valley of the Sun Posts: 5,408	I don't know what to think. Most of the people in prison will never rehabilitate ... ever. All we do is waste more money and taxes on these losers when we could be spending it more wisely. I don't think we have the right to "play god" and take lives on a government level. But I do believe that if someone kills another, they deserve to pay. What about punishing people with paralysis. You kill someone or rape someone, the government takes away your ability to rape or kill again. Without the use or arms or legs, it would make it pretty damn hard. Then they can live the rest of their lives in punishment for what they did. Sometimes I think death is an easier way out. __________________ TWISTYSCASH.com - Proven to be One of the BEST Adult Programs Around Promote These Sites : Twistys ~ Busty Ones ~ Nicole Graves ICQ : 9 6 4 4 0 2 2 1

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mhende6600 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 740	He wrote childeren books...fuck that, that means nothing, but since we are all going to die anyway death means nothing. I say halfway kill him

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12-13-2005, 12:37 AM	#100
TraZz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 154	This guy obviously has no remourse for what he has done. Not to mention he has no regards for the law or for human life in general. What good can possible come from someone who has spend 6 1/2 years in solitary confinement. He should be put away for life with people to the same caliber as him. Let them take eachother out and figure out between themselves who deserves to live or die. Shove food through a hole 3 times a day and send them clean clothes once a week with no guards monitoring them. Eventually, they will all die from colera or some other disgusting desease... hehe Our prison system is club med compared to the housing facilities in Russia, Europe and Im sure you've heard of stories from the Middle East. On another note, it costs almost the same amount of taxpayer dollars to house an inmate than to employ a gradeschool teacher. Thats why the studies our junior high school students endure is a joke compared to the schools in Europe and the middle east.