i dont believe in god..

wow. You should put that shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger. I hope you accidently shoot yourself one day.

People kill me being opposed to the death penalty. Lethal injections is not that bad AND they are behind closed doors. Only a select few people can be there. In foreign countries they will hang your ass in front of the town. Back in the day they would behead you in front of the town or put you in front of a firing squad. This world has and always will live by the motto, an eye for an eye. Tookie is lucky he lives here and not in some foreign country.

Would you rather let him sit in jail and live off of our tax dollars?

lets cook him up and get it over with already.

I don't know what to think. Most of the people in prison will never rehabilitate ... ever. All we do is waste more money and taxes on these losers when we could be spending it more wisely.

I don't think we have the right to "play god" and take lives on a government level. But I do believe that if someone kills another, they deserve to pay.

What about punishing people with paralysis. You kill someone or rape someone, the government takes away your ability to rape or kill again. Without the use or arms or legs, it would make it pretty damn hard. Then they can live the rest of their lives in punishment for what they did. Sometimes I think death is an easier way out.

honestly...i don't think we have the right to choose with regards to who dies and when...

Thats really all i can say on this topic

It is between God & him. He will be judged accordingly.

He's used up enough oxygen. His crimes are horrific not evening including the 'organization' he started...

He wrote childeren books...fuck that, that means nothing, but since we are all going to die anyway death means nothing. I say halfway kill him

Im against death penality....even more if the prisonner changed his behavior...

shows that they don't really care about rehabilitation...

I agree with that. I think in the last 10-12 years of his life he learned and became wiser and even almost peaceful. But killing 4 people and then beating people almost to their death it's hard to forget that.

I am not sure what to say on this I wouldn't want to have to decide someone's life or death on a jury.

All i can say is I hope he found his peace with God and within himself

rehabilitation isn't for the benefit of the convict, it's for the benefit of the society he would be placed back into - so in an instance where that is not a concern, why should they bother trying to 'rehabilitate' them?

you're right....!


Still won't change my mind on death penality ;)

I agree. He should die a horrible death.

you are still FOR death penality though! the fact that you are a liberal or even a communist doesn't mean anything in this case!....You are eighter for or against death penality!...

It's easy to kill a n1gger that was born and raised poor...you don't see DuPonts or Kennedys on death row.

There aint not rich people on death row. The only difference between us and iraq...we execute based on financial worth

:thumbsup

He was not sent to prison to rehabilitate himself, he was sent to await his death. That was the sentence and after 24 years of exhausted appeals it will happen tonight.

but there are excemption to that man. sometimes death sentence should be set to be a deterrent to those criminals.

This guy obviously has no remourse for what he has done. Not to mention he has no regards for the law or for human life in general. What good can possible come from someone who has spend 6 1/2 years in solitary confinement. He should be put away for life with people to the same caliber as him. Let them take eachother out and figure out between themselves who deserves to live or die. Shove food through a hole 3 times a day and send them clean clothes once a week with no guards monitoring them. Eventually, they will all die from colera or some other disgusting desease... hehe Our prison system is club med compared to the housing facilities in Russia, Europe and Im sure you've heard of stories from the Middle East.

On another note, it costs almost the same amount of taxpayer dollars to house an inmate than to employ a gradeschool teacher. Thats why the studies our junior high school students endure is a joke compared to the schools in Europe and the middle east. :pimp

60k a year to keep an inmate....that's more than 1k/week...

they should send them to a Club Med, its cheaper...


edit: 100 (probably dead) tookie

20 minutes more and hes a gonner.

So is it done? How long does this take. Are there any cameras aloud in there?

woo hoo!! justice will be done in a few minutes from now. it's time to think about the victims not the murderer

When Darryl and Sims entered the 7-Eleven, Owens put the broom and dust pan down and followed them into the store. Williams and Coward followed Owens into the store. (TT 2146-2152). As Darryl and Sims walked to the counter area to take money from the register, Williams walked behind Owens and told him "shut up and keep walking." (TT 2154). While pointing a shotgun at Owens' back, Williams directed him to a back storage room. (TT 2154).

Once inside the storage room, Williams, at gunpoint, ordered Owens to "lay down, mother f*****." Williams then chambered a round into the shotgun. Williams then fired the round into the security monitor. Williams then chambered a second round and fired the round into Owens' back as he lay face down on the floor of the storage room. Williams then fired again into Owens' back. (TT 2162).

yeah let's keep this guy alive with tax dollars....he can write more kids books

Just wanted to add to this thread that if this dude was white or rich, the situation would not be the same.

It wouldnt be the same if he was rich and black as well. Does OJ ring a bell?

Forgot to mention that Tookster has no more pulse.

25 years of appeals and the last 10 he suddenly decides to be a nice guy. I bet it was easy to get into your pants when you were single.

You would believe any bullshit thrown at you. :1orglaugh

How many blacks have been executed in the State of California?

No, you are also not the only gay one either.

Who needs a childrens book when you have court records?

yes he does, im glad he is dead now

Kill a killer. :2 cents: He never confessed anyway.

Throughout the majority of my life I was for the death penalty. Those bastards deserve to die was my rationale. Eye for an eye and all that.

Then I went to work as a Public Defender right out of law school. I saw first hand how the justice system works here in the United States. From the misdemeanor level to Capital felony, I saw first hand how in many cases convictions were obtained through very questionable means. I have seen cops lie on the stand, I have seen jailhouse snitches who would say their mother did the crimes (even though she may have been in Antartica when the crime occurred) if they thought it would get them off. I have seen confessions obtained from borderline retarded defendants who were told after 12 hrs of interrogation that they would be sent home if they confessed. I have seen indentifications done where the cops showed them a defendants sitting in the back of a police car, handcuffed and asked "Is that the guy?". (later turned out to not be the guy even though the eyewitness claimed he was 100% sure) There are many people in prison right now who are innocent, I am 100% convinced on this.

Many of you might be familiar with the Innocence Project. For those not familiar let me bring them up as a case in point as to how flawed our system is. In 14 years of existence, the IP has exonerated 164 convicted and jailed persons, many of them who were on death row. Many spent as much as two or three decades jailed for crimes they did not commit. Ask yourself, if the system is so flawed that a small team of lawyers and law students can demonstrate the innoccence of 164 people in a short time period, how many people are currently awaiting execution that are innocent?

Anytime I see a conviction like Tookie Williams, where the evidence was circumstantial and he was largely convicted on the testimony of two criminal defendants who stood to benefit on their own sentences for their testimony, it raises my eyebrows. Combine that with the demonstrated history of actually doing good for the last ten years, so much good he was a multiple time nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize, well yeah I tend to think that maybe this was a good case for clemency. Not a pardon, just convert his sentence to life in prison.

good post scoreman

for you guys that think he doesn't deserve to die you should look at this pic of one of his victims

http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogim...ctim3adweb.jpg

There's more on the mainpage of that site.

its extremely gruesome, half her head is blown off , I mean a quarter of her head is gone and so is her eye, it's really really bad.

To think that he can do this to another person, he deservers the death penalty for sure..

And those pics are gruesome, i'm gonna have nightmares now :(

That's no good either, then the taxpayers have to support this knucklehead in other ways. Then he gets bed sores, infections, etc., because he cannot turn over in bed and we spend more money medicating people like this.

no one is really pretty after getting shot by a shotgun...

doesn't change my mind about death penality...

are you saying that if he killed them in a clean way...(poisoning them maybe??) then he wouldn't deserve to die?

killer is a killer, but i'm against death penalty...