Ignorant.

inform yourself instead of making an ass out of yourself ( lousy " branding " ).

Facts about the case

Boston...Massachusetts. Kinda like LA just colder and realer. :1orglaugh

we have hotter brunettes and you guys have hotter blondes.

no sorry it was an interview years ago , and it wasnt in regards to the murders he was convicted of.. it was just in regards to his gang activites in general..

I dont remember the exact words but heres the gist of it..

The reporter asked him about his activities with the crips , and particularly if he ever shot anyone.

And he replied that he had participated in drive-by's , beaten and robbed people before etc..

The part i watched they never spoke about the murders he was convicted of..

If one individual decides someone ought to die, they are a murderer, but if 20 individual people decide someone ought to die, there's nothing wrong with it?

Human beings are simply ridiculous. What are we doing with our intelligence?

This thread clearly shows how sick 70% of the American people are. Democracy? Humanity? Haha - you don't even know anymore what that is. But you believe you are good Christians because you go to church once a week. Poor!

Good Christian? I don't attend church, I don't practice religion, I am a pornographer, and I still think this guy should die!

Now some lyrics to the song I am currently listening to.

D.R.I. - Give a Hoot
--------------------------
I give a hoot
But I still pollute
I don't know what's the matter with me
I won't kill
But I think I'd shoot
If it meant whether or not I'd be free

Simulated sympathy
In a world full of pain
It's each for his own
If there's something to gain

I've got my own problems
It's hard to care
There's just more death
Then I can bear

So I fly my flag at half mast
Big, black clouds hanging over me
My days are always overcast
Burnt out buildings return my stare

But I must hang on
Though the sea is dead
I must hold on
Someone said

I must go on
Though young men die
I must push on
But I can't rember why

Tookies website stipulates a Filipino and Latino served on the jury

I have him on ignore. I presume he doubts the accuracy of my comments?

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another fight with other inmates July 6, 1993, in which a stabbing instrument (shank) was recovered. The DA's report also says Williams threatened all of the jurors after they found him guilty.

"Specifically, the defendant looked at the jurors and said he 'was going to get all' of them," said the report. "After learning of this threat, the trial judge inquired of the jury foreperson. The foreperson confirmed the defendant mouthed the words 'I'm going to get each and every one of you m-----f------."
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Kill a man, and you are a murderer.

Kill many, and you are a conquerer.

Kill them all, and you're a god.

From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281439/

Fucking pussy.

the DA's report contains 11 examples of incidents for which he was disciplined, beginning in 1981 and continuing through 1993. They include:

a violent fight with another inmate June 30, 1981, in which he repeatedly struck the prisoner while kneeling over him;

a refusal to line up for a return to his cell Jan. 26, 1982, in which he threatened a guard;

throwing a chemical substance in the eyes of a guard Jan. 28, 1982, in an attack that resulted in chemical burns and emergency treatment;

a second attack on a guard with a chemical substance Jan. 29, 1982;

an attack on another inmate Feb. 16, 1984, in which Williams only stopped beating the prisoner when a warning shot was fired;

a threat to kill a guard June 8, 1984;

the beating of another inmate July 4, 1986 that only ceased when armed officers arrived on the scene;

another fight with an inmate that led to his own stabbing, reportedly retaliation for his ordering another inmate to be stabbed;

his continued association with the Crips street gang led to administrative segregation Oct. 19, 1988;

the beating of another inmate Dec. 24, 1991, that only stopped after a warning shot was fired;

By executing Tookie Williams, the State of California is demonstrating that Rehabilitation is not a goal they have set for their prison population.

What I find sad is that religious idiots like Pat Robertson can petition a Governor for Clemency based upon a prisoner becoming a "Born again Christian" (search Karla Faye Tucker for more info on this bs) but let another prisoner actually do some well documented good in his life behind bars and there is not a peep from the religious camp to spare that man's life.

I just read Schwarzenegger's denial for clemency and most of the reasons center on Tookie Wilson's insistence that he is innocent. By not admitting to the crime, it was viewed as no remorse and no remorse = no clemency.

seems like he gets more "reformed" the closer to his death..

Williams first real demonstration of rehabilitation came ten years ago when he began writing anti-gang books. The first was published in 1996. I don't think this is the average case where the death row prisoner finds God and anyone else he thinks can help at the last moment.

Funny how that works

If even Young won't make the usual "poor black me" excuses for this guy he really must deserve to die.

No that's the way it ends. That's some words Liberals tacked on to the end.

Pat Robertson demonstrates himself time and time again to be a genuine fucktard.

Europe banned capital punishment, why not the U.S., which is the supposed leader in human rights

What makes you believe America is currently the leader in human rights?

i feel he should be executed. i would feel the same way regardless of his race. he kiled 4 people, and his victims aren't getting their life back. He has to pay for his crimes of murder, just like Mcveigh, Gary Gilmore, Gacy, etc.

What of the rights of the victims and their families?

the jail riots are gonna be oof the hook after this happens

I frequently read the arguement in discussions like these that the death penalty doesn't actually reduce incidents of violent crime; I don't think this is a reason to get rid of the death penalty though, a more reasonable arguement would be to bring back public executions, especially in cases like this.

This Tookie idiot wanted to be a public figure and lead a group of thugs, let them see where it leads to.

He broke the law and now must pay the consequences. If you don't want to be executed, don't fucking kill people. Simple as that. I don't think he showed mercy for the people he killed.

If you don't like the death penalty, then vote people out of office who support it. Simple democracy.

Same book says that you must honor the law of the lands in which you live.

Same book says that God ultimately judges ones fate to go to heaven or hell but says nothing that we cant hurry that appointment up for special people like Tookie.

The justice system worked well this time

I cannot wait for Scott Peterson's.. I may sit home and drink
beer in celebration of that Vein Pumping Day!

the death penalty is medieval and non western.

A lot of anti death penalty folk argue that by killing murderers it makes the executioners just as bad as the actual murderers. Can anti death supporters explain this concept to me ?

Hey I said earlier in this thread that there are flaws in the death penalty that make minority's more prone to getting it. lack of defense funds for possible exculpatory evidence, expert witnesses....having a jury of your peers represented at trial.

I am still not FOR the death penalty, nor am I against it. It has its need, and it has flaws.

but.....

the Tookie Williams case is not one that involves any flaws....I believe the Death Penalty worked in this case. 4 lives for 1...seems like an even exchange to me.

so do i, let the parents of the kids who he killed kill him or any other volunteer, there are enough around.

you take another persons life, and sometimes the court even makes a mistake so they accidentally execute someone who later appears not to be guilty.

Id say let all the lowlife scumbags like pedos and murderers rot in jail their whole life, i bet thats more suffering for them then the death penalty. Especially for the pedos.

actually it was ghandi , but close enough :1orglaugh

I agree with you 100%.

If they pardoned him then every con on death row will start writing children's books!

...makes the world more blind

got any better ideas? let's hear them...

wow..a sig whore actually said something that made me think for a second. :thumbsup

Kill them all, let God sort them out