Flat Panel LCD Computer Monitors? - GoFuckYourself.com

Jake · 12-10-2005, 10:14 AM

I bought a flat panel monitor about 2 years ago and after 2 weeks I took it back and bought a CRT. It looks like LCD's have come a long way in the last 2 years so I'm looking at getting one again.

Anyone know who makes the fastest (in terms of response rate in ms) and cleanest display. I'm looking for a widescreen about 20"-24". Price isn't an issue I just want to be sure that I'm using the very best monitor on the market. Oh yeah, the primary use will be video editing. Thanks in advance for any input!

infecto · 12-10-2005, 10:26 AM

I can say for the size the majority of people are going with the dell wide screens and apples. Just be sure your ready to have a possible high resolution to work in =)

Sosa · 12-10-2005, 10:27 AM

lots of people here in gfy have the dell ones.

Vitasoy · 12-10-2005, 10:35 AM

http://cnet.search.com/search?q=Moni...g=srch&x=0&y=0

Great site to compare mointors and to read up on reviews.

Jake · 12-10-2005, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sosa

lots of people here in gfy have the dell ones.

Looks like the Dell 24" widescreen has a response rate of 12ms - Anyone know if that's suitable for editing HD video or if there's a better monitor on the market?

infecto · 12-10-2005, 10:41 AM

To be honest Cnet kind of sucks. Alot of their reviews have false information in them lol.

As for your question jake it totally depends on how your eyes are. Some people notice ghosting some people don't. 12ms is pretty good. I think another concern you shoudl have with video editing is color and artifacts. I know alot of LCDs still don't do great blacks and on video they sometimes have alot of artifacts with smoke etc.

EdgeXXX · 12-10-2005, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake

I'm looking for a widescreen about 20"-24". Price isn't an issue I just want to be sure that I'm using the very best monitor on the market. Oh yeah, the primary use will be video editing.

Well, if you want the best and you're serious about price not mattering, go with the ViewSonic VP2290B. We have 2 of these in the studio and they are amazing to say the least. The VP2290B itself will run you around $7,250 and unless you already have a top-level video card (we use the Realizm 800 from 3Dlabs with them) I suggest picking one of those up as well (around $2K-$3K).

Jake · 12-10-2005, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Vitasoy

http://cnet.search.com/search?q=Moni...g=srch&x=0&y=0

Great site to compare mointors and to read up on reviews.

Thanks, that's a big help. Looks like a lot of positve feedback on the Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW with the exception of the "humming". I wonder if they've worked that out yet.

Anyone know if a 12ms response rate is fast enough for editing HD video?

fris · 12-10-2005, 10:53 AM

Just before holidays Dell is scheduled to come out with a new line of LCD monitors, the flagship being the 3007WFP (not a typo) 30" LCD.

Here are the specs from Dell pre-release techsheet

Display Size: 30 inch
Response Time: 14ms
Brightness: 400cd/m2
Contrast: 700:1
Viewing Angle: 178/178
Native Resolution: WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
PC Connectivity: DVI-D (Dual link) x 1 with HDCP
Others: 4-Port USB Hub, 9-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader/Slots, Height Adjustable Stand, Swivel & Tilt. (No pivot)

Release for North America is scheduled for December 21

EdgeXXX · 12-10-2005, 11:01 AM

Yes, 12ms is fine for editing HD. Again, with things like video editing, the monitor doesn't matter NEARLY as much as a professional graphics card.

GoNe · 12-10-2005, 11:10 AM

Samsung..

Jake · 12-10-2005, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

Yes, 12ms is fine for editing HD. Again, with things like video editing, the monitor doesn't matter NEARLY as much as a professional graphics card.

Thanks! I'll be sure to do some research on the cards as well. I looked at the ViewSonic VP2290B on the ViewSonic site and a couple of other places but I couldn't find any specs on the response rate. Do you happen to know what it is?

FuqALot · 12-10-2005, 11:58 AM

I have a samsung 19" (930BF) with 4 milisecond respond time. It's supah sharp.

KRL · 12-10-2005, 12:24 PM

I just got the Samsung 204T. Image display is absolutely gorgeous. Pictures look 3D and lifelike. Text is ultra sharp. Color fidelity is perfect. Running it at 1600 x 1200 so images and videos are HD quality.

EdgeXXX · 12-10-2005, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake

Thanks! I'll be sure to do some research on the cards as well. I looked at the ViewSonic VP2290B on the ViewSonic site and a couple of other places but I couldn't find any specs on the response rate. Do you happen to know what it is?

The response rate is not that great on the VP2290B; I believe it's 25ms in, 25ms out. We mostly use it for production special effects or frame-by-frame editing. If you want a professional "on-the-fly" monitor (for real time editing) I would highly recommend one of the ViewSonic Pro-Series (like the VP231wb ) or one of the Samsung (digital) LCDs

Paparazzi · 12-10-2005, 12:54 PM

why do people want widescreen monitors?

dready · 12-10-2005, 01:07 PM

Samsung or Dell.

Do some research on Tomshardware.com

EdgeXXX · 12-10-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dready

Do some research on Tomshardware.com

Not to dog on anyone, but I wouldn't necessarily say that Tomshardware is completely unbiased.....

EdgeXXX · 12-10-2005, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Paparazzi

why do people want widescreen monitors?

If you are editing a video in 16x9 format it makes things much easier

Marshal · 12-10-2005, 01:31 PM

i really like dell!

justsexxx · 12-10-2005, 01:36 PM

I am thinking of switching too...DO you guys/girls think 12-14MS is good enough?

Thinking of a samsung or philips btw(philips because they have dead pixel garantee here in The Netherlands. 2 dead pixels within a year and you can return it, and get a new one)

justsexxx · 12-10-2005, 01:39 PM

Also some so called "uknown companies for me" like Benq etc have much better response times then a samsung for example...

Would you go for the brand, or the specs?

asl · 12-10-2005, 01:44 PM

For the brand as you really need a top quality LCD display otherwise you'll regret it. I got an apple 23" widescreen and 2 x 20" IIyama and they all rock BUT I'd give my preference to apple for the bright colours.

Go get an apple 30" now. They are the best thing you can get if it is not too big for your desk otherwise the 23" will do really well

EdgeXXX · 12-10-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

I am thinking of switching too...DO you guys/girls think 12-14MS is good enough?

Yes, actually 16ms is good enough. What you need to be focusing on is just how heavily it will be used. Are you going to be using it to split full length into clips or are you going to be doing a full-out production chase scene where you are tracking multiple items real-time?

infecto · 12-10-2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

Yes, 12ms is fine for editing HD. Again, with things like video editing, the monitor doesn't matter NEARLY as much as a professional graphics card.

How would video editing require a pro graphics card other then higher resolutions and easier dual display setups? Unless your doing 3d animation I don't really see the benefits over a decent video card these days. I mean I could be wrong but I thought the brunt of video editing occured with the access times to harddrives. With processors out there I don't see video editing bogging down a system like 3d editing would.

E Guru · 12-10-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fris

Just before holidays Dell is scheduled to come out with a new line of LCD monitors, the flagship being the 3007WFP (not a typo) 30" LCD.

Here are the specs from Dell pre-release techsheet

Display Size: 30 inch
Response Time: 14ms
Brightness: 400cd/m2
Contrast: 700:1
Viewing Angle: 178/178
Native Resolution: WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
PC Connectivity: DVI-D (Dual link) x 1 with HDCP
Others: 4-Port USB Hub, 9-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader/Slots, Height Adjustable Stand, Swivel & Tilt. (No pivot)

Release for North America is scheduled for December 21

14 ms - shitty

EdgeXXX · 12-10-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by infecto

How would video editing require a pro graphics card other then higher resolutions and easier dual display setups? Unless your doing 3d animation I don't really see the benefits over a decent video card these days. I mean I could be wrong but I thought the brunt of video editing occured with the access times to harddrives. With processors out there I don't see video editing bogging down a system like 3d editing would.

Depends on what you are considering a "pro graphics card"; I don't mean go out and buy a top-of-the line dual-gpu render card, just look toward a card that is designed for professional NLE. You can have the biggest, baddest, fastest monitor on the planet but if your are pairing it with a $49.95 gaming card.... As far as the HDD bottlenecking, that depends on your setup. You would be amazed how much HD editing can bog down a system.

infecto · 12-10-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by E Guru

14 ms - shitty

You my friend have no clue what you are talking about.

infecto · 12-10-2005, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

Depends on what you are considering a "pro graphics card"; I don't mean go out and buy a top-of-the line dual-gpu render card, just look toward a card that is designed for professional NLE. You can have the biggest, baddest, fastest monitor on the planet but if your are pairing it with a $49.95 gaming card.... As far as the HDD bottlenecking, that depends on your setup. You would be amazed how much HD editing can bog down a system.

Yeah I agree with that. I by far don't do anything close to pro vid editing so I don't know but from what I can guess at. But I do agree with you.

BoyAlley · 12-10-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fris

the flagship being the 3007WFP (not a typo) 30" LCD.

Now THAT is going to be thexy.

KRL · 12-10-2005, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

I am thinking of switching too...DO you guys/girls think 12-14MS is good enough?

Thinking of a samsung or philips btw(philips because they have dead pixel garantee here in The Netherlands. 2 dead pixels within a year and you can return it, and get a new one)

16ms and below is fine.

Jake · 12-10-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

16ms and below is fine.

Dalai lama · 12-10-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by E Guru

14 ms - shitty

yeah right almost

sfera · 12-10-2005, 07:31 PM

i have a 19" dell ultra sharp and its is very very nice

Quotealex · 12-10-2005, 07:48 PM

If your only concern is image quality, I would stick with a CRT monitor.

SinSational · 12-10-2005, 07:48 PM

i have a triple monitor set-up with samsung syncmaster 710N's.
they are analog, but for $200 each they are tough to beat. just bought a 4th

Slick · 12-10-2005, 08:39 PM

I have the Samsung Syncmaster 214T and I love it.

MichaelAncher · 12-10-2005, 08:46 PM

I have used Samsung, Philips and Dell...then I found LaCie...best proff screen for graphic design...photos as well as video....check it out

http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10683

you won't regret it..

justsexxx · 12-11-2005, 04:51 AM

I don't really get it..

I mean

I was looking at BenQ. All specs are GREAT. Then I looked at Eizo, and Lacie and their refresh rate, and other specs were much worse....

Are you guys saying that the Lacie and Eizo are still better than the BenQ? Even with worse specs?

Quotealex · 12-11-2005, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

Also some so called "uknown companies for me" like Benq etc

Benq is not an unknown company. they are one of the top producer of monitor and other electronic goods.

justsexxx · 12-11-2005, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal

Benq is not an unknown company. they are one of the top producer of monitor and other electronic goods.

Serious? Good ones? And it's new in The Netherlands

Quotealex · 12-11-2005, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

Serious? Good ones? And it's new in The Netherlands

It is pretty new in Canada too but every computer and electronic stores have their products which you do not see for unknown names.

12-10-2005, 10:14 AM	#1
Jake Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CO, US Posts: 3,056	Flat Panel LCD Computer Monitors? I bought a flat panel monitor about 2 years ago and after 2 weeks I took it back and bought a CRT. It looks like LCD's have come a long way in the last 2 years so I'm looking at getting one again. Anyone know who makes the fastest (in terms of response rate in ms) and cleanest display. I'm looking for a widescreen about 20"-24". Price isn't an issue I just want to be sure that I'm using the very best monitor on the market. Oh yeah, the primary use will be video editing. Thanks in advance for any input! __________________

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infecto Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,697	I can say for the size the majority of people are going with the dell wide screens and apples. Just be sure your ready to have a possible high resolution to work in =) Last edited by infecto; 12-10-2005 at 10:27 AM..

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fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,372	Just before holidays Dell is scheduled to come out with a new line of LCD monitors, the flagship being the 3007WFP (not a typo) 30" LCD. Here are the specs from Dell pre-release techsheet Display Size: 30 inch Response Time: 14ms Brightness: 400cd/m2 Contrast: 700:1 Viewing Angle: 178/178 Native Resolution: WQXGA (2560 x 1600) PC Connectivity: DVI-D (Dual link) x 1 with HDCP Others: 4-Port USB Hub, 9-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader/Slots, Height Adjustable Stand, Swivel & Tilt. (No pivot) Release for North America is scheduled for December 21 __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

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infecto Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,697	To be honest Cnet kind of sucks. Alot of their reviews have false information in them lol. As for your question jake it totally depends on how your eyes are. Some people notice ghosting some people don't. 12ms is pretty good. I think another concern you shoudl have with video editing is color and artifacts. I know alot of LCDs still don't do great blacks and on video they sometimes have alot of artifacts with smoke etc.

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justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Also some so called "uknown companies for me" like Benq etc have much better response times then a samsung for example... Would you go for the brand, or the specs? __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

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