So you think the AIR MARSHAL was justified in shooting the guy????????

[Juicy D. Links]

I say yes.......

These guys have to react fast. I believe he was justified in his decision based on what I have heard so far.


Thoughts?

[Steve]

anyone dumb enough to tell an air marshall he's packing a bomb deserves to get his ass shot all up

[selena]

If the accounts are accurate, then yes.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by Steve

anyone dumb enough to tell an air marshall he's packing a bomb deserves to get his ass shot all up

true true true

[CDSmith]

If it went down the way they said it did, then hell yes.

Only a fuckwit would even think of uttering "bomb", then running when told to stop, then reaching in his bag once he did stop. If the twit had've just knelt down and begged them to shoot him instead of doing all that he'd still be alive right now.

[Juicy D. Links]

A 44-year-old U.S. citizen who claimed to have a bomb was killed by air marshals Wednesday at Miami International Airport, several sources told CNN. The man, identified as Rigoberto Alpizar, said the device was in his carry-on backpack, a Department of Homeland Security official said. When Alpizar -- standing on the boarding bridge between the plane and terminal -- appeared to reach into his backpack he was shot, the official said. No bomb was found.

[Deputy Chief Command]

the guy was a mental patient that hadnt taking his medication


his wife yelled at the marshalss not to do anything

[Juicy D. Links]

Check out the Vids on http://www.cnn.com/

[Juicy D. Links]

A Miami police officer near the airport prepares to approach the Boeing 757 on Wednesday.

[Nookster]

They have to react fast and I think he was very justified in reacting the way he did. They're paid to react the way he did. Period.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

the guy was a mental patient that hadnt taking his medication


his wife yelled at the marshalss not to do anything

how did they know she was not on his side about a bomb.. she could say that to give him enough time to blow everyone up... I would have shot him as he ran.. they hel there cool

[Bluewire Ross]

Remember the movie FLIGHT PLAN?

[Deputy Chief Command]

An eyewitness told a local television station that the man's wife had warned he was mentally ill. "He was frantic, his arms flailing in the air," the passenger, Mary Gardner, said. Ms Gardner said the man had run down the aisle from the back of the plane, followed by a woman shouting "My husband! My husband!" She also heard the woman say her husband was bipolar and had not taken his medication.

[Juicy D. Links]

Alpizar was confronted by a team of federal air marshals, who followed him down the boarding bridge and ordered him to get on the ground, the official said.

When Alpizar appeared to reach into his backpack, he was shot and wounded, the official said, adding that the marshals' actions were consistent with their training. Officials said later that the man died of his injuries.

[Allison]

Agreed, from what I've "heard" thus far, I'd say it was justified. I kinda wonder though about the source of information right now. Also, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks maybe this is publicity to counter all the recent information about how airport security isn't much more secure then it was in 2001.

~Alli

[Juicy D. Links]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/07/air...hot/index.html

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

the guy was a mental patient that hadnt taking his medication


his wife yelled at the marshalss not to do anything

So? If I was part of a terrorist team, I would have someone yelling "don't shoot! He's not well!" to distract the marshalls and slow down their reaction time.

If me or someone I love was on that plane, I don't want the marshalls standing around going, "Ok, we'll just wait and talk to him and his wife about his possible mental history"..... then BOOM!

Screw that! They had to make a fast choice, and to protect the safety of the other 100+ people on that plane, they made the right choice.

[Tempest]

If the guy really did have mental problems and stuff, it's a sad situation... But if what they're saying is true, I don't see where the marshals had much of a choice..

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

So? If I was part of a terrorist team, I would have someone yelling "don't shoot! He's not well!" to distract the marshalls and slow down their reaction time.

If me or someone I love was on that plane, I don't want the marshalls standing around going, "Ok, we'll just wait and talk to him and his wife about his possible mental history"..... then BOOM!

Screw that! They had to make a fast choice, and to protect the safety of the other 100+ people on that plane, they made the right choice.

Good Point

[SmokeyTheBear]

If she knew he had a mental problem and wasn't taking medication , he shouldnt have been travelling.. It sucks , but i think it was justified.. its hard to say without seeing a video , but they say he was running up the aisle of the plane waving his arms yelling incoherently..( after claiming he had a bomb ) ran down off the plane and they shot him on the tarmac as he reached in a bag he had .. i can't see what else they could have done..

[dissipate]

Shit happens, sometimes mistakes happen in order for the greater good. It's horrible it happened though.. poor guy.

[SmokeyTheBear]

and yah if she shouted " he has mental problems" that wouldn't make it any safer.. i would be twice as worried.

[CDSmith]

Bottom line, when an official in uniform pointing their gun at you tells you to stop,

you stop.

If you don't you risk being shot.

If they tell you to put your hands on your head and kneel, you do it

if you don't you risk being shot.

If they tell you to lie face down on the pavement, you do it.

if you don't you risk being shot.



It ain't rocket science, but some guys think it's some sort of cool fucking joke or something to go mocking authority, look at this fuckwit for example....

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

the guy was a mental patient that hadnt taking his medication


his wife yelled at the marshalss not to do anything

So what.

[Juicy D. Links]

If i was a Air Marshal in that position I would have blown his brains out , then lit up a cigarette.

[Juicy D. Links]

Someone chop my face as a Air Marshal

[kaori]

I'm just curious about the training these air marshals have..
Are they like glorified security gaurds? Or do they have army/police training?

regardless, saying you have a bomb, and reaching into a backpack should be a gauranteed way to get shot... could have had a trigger in there..

[LittleMack]

Yup, guy going for his bag after making bomb threat, deadly force is justified

[JamesK2]

The guy was mentally ill, I think it's obvious those people yell all kinds of strange shit. The marshal probably had a flashback and shot him down.

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Bottom line, when an official in uniform pointing their gun at you tells you to stop,

you stop.

If you don't you risk being shot.

If they tell you to put your hands on your head and kneel, you do it

if you don't you risk being shot.

If they tell you to lie face down on the pavement, you do it.

if you don't you risk being shot.



It ain't rocket science, but some guys think it's some sort of cool fucking joke or something to go mocking authority, look at this fuckwit for example....

YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG.. this is a tactic so you cannot be charged with a DUI.

he can claim he got drunk right then when he was stopped and wasnt under the influence while he was driving..

i have seen it work many times.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by JamesK

The guy was mentally ill, I think it's obvious those people yell all kinds of strange shit. The marshal probably had a flashback and shot him down.

And terrorists say the stupidest shit as well when they are doing something.
Like holding a kid by the hand only to use em as a human shield while people will give "Tips" that he is just an enraged parent.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by kaori

I'm just curious about the training these air marshals have..
Are they like glorified security gaurds? Or do they have army/police training?

regardless, saying you have a bomb, and reaching into a backpack should be a gauranteed way to get shot... could have had a trigger in there..

go to cnn.com and watch the training videos

they are the elite of the elite of the elite

[Juicy D. Links]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/07/air.marshal/

(CNN) -- Federal air marshals train to shoot in extremely close quarters and tense situations, but until Wednesday no agent had used his weapon...........

[Spunky]

Some idiots need to be put out of their misery..You don't utter the bomb word and not expect repercussions

[reynold]

Nope. But I guess his balls derserve to be hang..

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG.. this is a tactic so you cannot be charged with a DUI.

he can claim he got drunk right then when he was stopped and wasnt under the influence while he was driving..

i have seen it work many times.

As usual, someone completely misses the central point.

*ZOOM*.. right over your head. Look at it gooooo.....

The point has nothing to do with the idiot drinking..... it has EVERYTHING to do with ignoring commands while a gun is pointed at you.

Again, for the verbally challenged... it has EVERYTHING to do with ignoring commands while a gun is pointed at you.

Helloo? Anyone like, hoome? :D

[JamesK2]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

And terrorists say the stupidest shit as well when they are doing something.
Like holding a kid by the hand only to use em as a human shield while people will give "Tips" that he is just an enraged parent.

Well I've never seen a terrorist IRL so I wouldn't know

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

As usual, someone completely misses the central point.

*ZOOM*.. right over your head. Look at it gooooo.....

The point has nothing to do with the idiot drinking..... it has EVERYTHING to do with ignoring commands while a gun is pointed at you.

Again, for the verbally challenged... it has EVERYTHING to do with ignoring commands while a gun is pointed at you.

Helloo? Anyone like, hoome? :D

ya i hear what u are saying. i just wanted to explain the picture ;)

[Argonaut]

i say its one less set of poor genes our future has to worry about

[nofx]

cops dont like using non lethal weapons such a tasers

cops rather kill then save

[seven]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

And terrorists say the stupidest shit as well when they are doing something.
Like holding a kid by the hand only to use em as a human shield while people will give "Tips" that he is just an enraged parent.

You've been watching too many movies lol. No, I don't think a real terrorist would run frantically and yell "I got a bomb in my backpack!" and a wife running after him saying "my husband's bipolar" Never heard that happening once thru the 100s of terrorist attacks I read about. But given the situation it's sad but he really brought it onto himself. Don't think it was really justified but couldn't have been unexpected either.. some people don't function well under stress.. not all marshals/sheriffs/cops could be expected to be smart enough to figure what's real what's mental illness under stressful situations

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

ya i hear what u are saying. i just wanted to explain the picture ;)

What you said makes total sense, for the drinking/DUI part of it.

It just didn't jive with the topic at hand. :D

[CDSmith]

It's easy to sit and second-guess the air marshals in a situation like this, but unless you're in that situation you just don't know how it is, or how it was. When you are responsible for 180 lives on a plane loaded with tons of fuel, and more lives of people in the nearby air terminal as well, the likely choice one is likely to make isn't often going to favor the person suspected of carrying a bomb. I know I would certainly rather end one life than risk the lives of hundreds including my own by letting things slide this one time.

How some of you can sit there and think you're qualified to criticize and judge is beyond me. I'm sure there will be a formal investigation into every aspect of this incident and it will be judge properly by informed people who aren't in the cheap seats watching CNN.

There, I said it.

[OG LennyT]

They should have shot him faster imho.

fucker got what he asked for

[Odin]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG.. this is a tactic so you cannot be charged with a DUI.

he can claim he got drunk right then when he was stopped and wasnt under the influence while he was driving..

i have seen it work many times.

For the record in Australia (and I am 90% sure in most of the US) it is an offence to knowingly alter your Blood Alcohol Level after an accident or before a breath test. Usually the punishment is much harder than if you had of accepted you were over the limit.

[Webby]

When they calm down in Miami the detail will surface over time. I can't believe anything out of that airport - it's a totally under-equipped disaster area and a place to be avoided.

Who knows.. if the story is as being claimed, it looks like the shooter had little option.

[pocketkangaroo]

Buy that air marshal a beer, he did his job well.

[GTS Mark]

I have 3 words for you

"Suicide By Cop"

The guy wanted to die, simple as that. The air marshals were 100% justified in what they did.

DH

DH

[HeadPimp]

Originally Posted by Steve

anyone dumb enough to tell an air marshall he's packing a bomb deserves to get his ass shot all up

Amen!

[PixeLs]

Neutralizing that freak just saved the lives of others who are on board..