a question to content shooters & buyers - GoFuckYourself.com

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 07:17 AM

Here's the drama:

a guy owes you money for over a year on content, almost 2 years, that he bought, stalls and stalls and one excuse after another: "I'll pay ya next week" "I'll hit ya up with the $ on the first" "I got a big check coming in, then I'll pay ya" "yada yada yada, etc". . . .

So the fucking guy now tells ya that if you'll sign a "work for hire agreement" on the 250 sets that he never bothered to pay ya for, that he'll get the check right out to ya . . .

What do ya think guys? Would ya do it???

over and out -bmb

LadyMischief · 12-07-2005, 07:55 AM

I'd have already contacted my lawyer and outed this guy to other industry people so they know what to expect... You may not be the only person who's been given this treatment. Let it be a lesson, get at least half up front every time

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

I'd have already contacted my lawyer and outed this guy to other industry people so they know what to expect... You may not be the only person who's been given this treatment. Let it be a lesson, get at least half up front every time

this was someone that was supposedly a 'friend' this is why I've gone so long with it . . here's the funny part: the reason I wasn't getting paid is because he took the money from the sales aof my content and started buying content from another producer . . and he owes that guy $$ too. can you fucking belive that?

I'm hoping that he'll take these 'hints' here and setttle up like a fucking man and we can all move on . . if not it should get very interesting around here for a bit . . . the other shooter gave him until friday to pay

llporter · 12-07-2005, 08:20 AM

I ain't a lawyer but it does not sound kosher to me. Everyone I have talked to tells me your a hell of a stand-up guy.

Why are you letting this guy shit on ya? Name some names so others can stay away from this scumball.

DutchTeenCash · 12-07-2005, 08:22 AM

2 yrs is insame imho

ilbb · 12-07-2005, 08:27 AM

bumb for this drama thread

Nubiles · 12-07-2005, 09:06 AM

Who is he? Where does he live? Maybe you can send a friend over to "visit" him in person.

MaxCandy · 12-07-2005, 09:20 AM

ICQ me i would like to know who your talking about.

Wonder if i may have prob with same guy

But honestly, do not sign anything till; ya get paid for your hard work!

tony286 · 12-07-2005, 09:22 AM

always get half up front especially on the big orders or a contract. Business is business.

MaxCandy · 12-07-2005, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

always get half up front especially on the big orders or a contract. Business is business.

always been my policy too

AmeliaG · 12-07-2005, 09:29 AM

Exclusive content is work made for hire, but he should have asked you for paperwork when the content was shot, not after being a late pay. At this late date, he should settle up his tab and expect you to sign after his check clears. If he doesn't trust you to be selling the agreed rights after he has not paid as agreed, then that just reflects on his intentions and you probably shouldn't sign.

Mutt · 12-07-2005, 09:29 AM

250 sets? jesus - and you kept sending more - too trusting brian. hope you get it resolved soon.

MaDalton · 12-07-2005, 09:59 AM

from my experience: sending threads like this to the person before naming names can work wonders.

bigdog · 12-07-2005, 10:04 AM

2 years is way too long, send the mobbbucks family after him

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxCandy

ICQ me i would like to know who your talking about.

Wonder if i may have prob with same guy

, But honestly, do not sign anything till; ya get paid for your hard work!

Thanks, Max . . . I don't use ICQ and I doubt that you do biz with him. I'm a long time fan of yer work and would chat you up with email about photography and pussy any time you like

don't much care for drama

over and out -bmb

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

250 sets? jesus - and you kept sending more - too trusting brian. hope you get it resolved soon.

was an onging 'client' that was a little behind and I try to help everybody I can you know that . .. never more shall I trust again!!

amacontent · 12-07-2005, 10:14 AM

I get paid in advance on every shoot... except with Grade A clients. Solves all issues.

Red Ezra · 12-07-2005, 10:14 AM

anything "work for hire" is a transfer fo ownership - be careful you do not sign over your copyright and/or ownership doing this

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

from my experience: sending threads like this to the person before naming names can work wonders.

that's what i'm hoping. figure they guy doesn'tt realize the seruoisness off the situaation and hopefully he'll 'do the right thing" and act right in the future . . . so my next question is this: if he pays me, how much do I charge him not to release his name to the fourm?

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drunkspringbreakgirls

Who is he? Where does he live? Maybe you can send a friend over to "visit" him in person.

I'm sure you'll see him at the vegas sheenangins . . need a few bucks?

hey I got a rebill on yer site . . hopefully my stupid blog will actually make money someday . .

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Exclusive content is work made for hire, but he should have asked you for paperwork when the content was shot, not after being a late pay. At this late date, he should settle up his tab and expect you to sign after his check clears. If he doesn't trust you to be selling the agreed rights after he has not paid as agreed, then that just reflects on his intentions and you probably shouldn't sign.

sorta of an interesting situation ain't it? I'll probabaly get banned for this episod . . .

Lykos · 12-07-2005, 12:25 PM

world is full of scammers... get used on that

Donny · 12-07-2005, 12:35 PM

But what if the real story was that the guy has already paid you $28,380 and owes $2,500 more and is asking for a work for hire agreement because he doesn't own any of the content without it? What if that was the real story? Would that change anything?

So out of a total bill of $30,880 he's paid $28,380 which is 92% of the bill. And yet he still does not legally own the content because he doesn't have the work for hire form.

And let's say the other shooter was paid $1,100 out of a total of $2,880. And the second shooter hasn't signed a work for hire either.

Those facts might possibly change things, wouldn't they?

bigdog · 12-07-2005, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

But what if the real story was that the guy has already paid you $28,380 and owes $2,500 more and is asking for a work for hire agreement because he doesn't own any of the content without it? What if that was the real story? Would that change anything?

So out of a total bill of $30,880 he's paid $28,380 which is 92% of the bill. And yet he still does not legally own the content because he doesn't have the work for hire form.

And let's say the other shooter was paid $1,100 out of a total of $2,880. And the second shooter hasn't signed a work for hire either.

Those facts might possibly change things, wouldn't they?

drama, pass the popcorn

LiveDose · 12-07-2005, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmb

Here's the drama:

a guy owes you money for over a year on content, almost 2 years, that he bought, stalls and stalls and one excuse after another: "I'll pay ya next week" "I'll hit ya up with the $ on the first" "I got a big check coming in, then I'll pay ya" "yada yada yada, etc". . . .

So the fucking guy now tells ya that if you'll sign a "work for hire agreement" on the 250 sets that he never bothered to pay ya for, that he'll get the check right out to ya . . .

What do ya think guys? Would ya do it???

over and out -bmb

2 years??? My lawyer would be handling this by now. You are too nice.

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

But what if the real story was that the guy has already paid you $28,380 and owes $2,500 more and is asking for a work for hire agreement because he doesn't own any of the content without it? What if that was the real story? Would that change anything?

So out of a total bill of $30,880 he's paid $28,380 which is 92% of the bill. And yet he still does not legally own the content because he doesn't have the work for hire form.

And let's say the other shooter was paid $1,100 out of a total of $2,880. And the second shooter hasn't signed a work for hire either.

Those facts might possibly change things, wouldn't they?

beats me?? but when a guy blows you off for so long . . . any way I'll sign the WFHA as soon as the check clears . . problem solved

what would you do??

Shap · 12-07-2005, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmb

Here's the drama:

a guy owes you money for over a year on content, almost 2 years, that he bought, stalls and stalls and one excuse after another: "I'll pay ya next week" "I'll hit ya up with the $ on the first" "I got a big check coming in, then I'll pay ya" "yada yada yada, etc". . . .

So the fucking guy now tells ya that if you'll sign a "work for hire agreement" on the 250 sets that he never bothered to pay ya for, that he'll get the check right out to ya . . .

What do ya think guys? Would ya do it???

over and out -bmb

Just got your email. This is a tough one. You were really nice to let it go this long. I have a good friend that does the same. let's things slide for a long time. Sometimes it works out and he gets paid. I'm much more agressive when it comes to our money and I'd probably come out blasing and tell the guy it's pay up or kiss the content goodbye. Any chance you could revoke his license on the content?

Antonio · 12-07-2005, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lykos

world is full of scammers... get used on that

hey man, I was poking around at your sites, but http://www.europe-content.com/ is down for me, could be my connection though

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Just got your email. This is a tough one. You were really nice to let it go this long. I have a good friend that does the same. let's things slide for a long time. Sometimes it works out and he gets paid. I'm much more agressive when it comes to our money and I'd probably come out blasing and tell the guy it's pay up or kiss the content goodbye. Any chance you could revoke his license on the content?

Hi Shap . . nice to see ya here . . the only problem I ever had shooting was the shoot I fucked up for you

please accept my public apology at this time, hopefully we can do biz again at some point. And yes this whole 'tuna' is a regrettable mess . . . Brian

Shap · 12-07-2005, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmb

Hi Shap . . nice to see ya here . . the only problem I ever had shooting was the shoot I fucked up for you

please accept my public apology at this time, hopefully we can do biz again at some point. And yes this whole 'tuna' is a regrettable mess . . . Brian

Hey Brian. This how i look at it. A photographer and model walked into that shoot. One of them came out and kept doing business as usual. The other came out, quit the biz, shutdown their site and left 100s of webmasters high and dry. Obviously the one who quit wasn't you. I understand shit happens and I've heard so many good things about you from Dean

Apology accepted!

Hopefully we can get around to doing some good biz together in 2006

Cassavetes · 12-07-2005, 04:20 PM

Yo Shap - Jim's waitin for yer call!!!

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio

hey man, I was poking around at your sites, but http://www.europe-content.com/ is down for me, could be my connection though

down here too . . however I can not compete with the euro prices on content but the girls do speak english, well mostly anyway

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Hey Brian. This how i look at it. A photographer and model walked into that shoot. One of them came out and kept doing business as usual. The other came out, quit the biz, shutdown their site and left 100s of webmasters high and dry. Obviously the one who quit wasn't you. I understand shit happens and I've heard so many good things about you from Dean

Apology accepted!

Hopefully we can get around to doing some good biz together in 2006

thanks Shap that shoot was the one of the low points of my life

I'll hit you with an email later about what I've got up my sleeve . . . too bad I missed you at glamuorcon

llporter · 12-07-2005, 06:16 PM

So..... has there been any resolution here or does the screwing continue?

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by llporter

So..... has there been any resolution here or does the screwing continue?

bring on the KY!!!

Grapesoda · 12-07-2005, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

But what if the real story was that the guy has already paid you $28,380 and owes $2,500 more and is asking for a work for hire agreement because he doesn't own any of the content without it? What if that was the real story? Would that change anything?

So out of a total bill of $30,880 he's paid $28,380 which is 92% of the bill. And yet he still does not legally own the content because he doesn't have the work for hire form.

And let's say the other shooter was paid $1,100 out of a total of $2,880. And the second shooter hasn't signed a work for hire either.

Those facts might possibly change things, wouldn't they?

BTW this is hysterical

lease a car from GMAC then skip the last lease note and just tell them that: hey!! I paid 92% what's the fucking problem

then try and lease a car somehere else!!! better yet you just bought a house, tell them you'll pay some of the morgage

DeanCapture · 12-08-2005, 12:54 AM

Good luck on this one Brian - hope it get's resolved within the next few years

Miss Vlasta · 12-08-2005, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmb

that's what i'm hoping. figure they guy doesn'tt realize the seruoisness off the situaation and hopefully he'll 'do the right thing" and act right in the future . . . so my next question is this: if he pays me, how much do I charge him not to release his name to the fourm?

PaulG · 12-08-2005, 07:49 AM

We will not being doing buiness with him if this is all true. We will put him on the "LIST".
Although there are not many cheats in this buiness it is good know know who the few are. Donovan Philips. He go by any other names?

12-07-2005, 07:17 AM	#1
Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	a question to content shooters & buyers Here's the drama: a guy owes you money for over a year on content, almost 2 years, that he bought, stalls and stalls and one excuse after another: "I'll pay ya next week" "I'll hit ya up with the $ on the first" "I got a big check coming in, then I'll pay ya" "yada yada yada, etc". . . . So the fucking guy now tells ya that if you'll sign a "work for hire agreement" on the 250 sets that he never bothered to pay ya for, that he'll get the check right out to ya . . . What do ya think guys? Would ya do it??? over and out -bmb

12-07-2005, 07:55 AM	#2
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	I'd have already contacted my lawyer and outed this guy to other industry people so they know what to expect... You may not be the only person who's been given this treatment. Let it be a lesson, get at least half up front every time __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

12-07-2005, 08:22 AM	#5
DutchTeenCash I like Dutch Girls Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: dutchteencash.com Posts: 21,684	2 yrs is insame imho __________________ ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash bob AT dutchteencash DOT com ... did you see our newest Sweet Natural Girl Priscilla (18)?

12-07-2005, 09:06 AM	#7
Nubiles Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 1,496	Who is he? Where does he live? Maybe you can send a friend over to "visit" him in person. __________________ NUBILES.NET : Hosted galleries with thumbs and descriptions \| nn galleries \| Hosted free sites \| 3 new girls shot each week \| Icq 143674274

12-07-2005, 09:20 AM	#8
MaxCandy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Montreal, London, Prague, Budapest, LA and Vegas Posts: 3,750	ICQ me i would like to know who your talking about. Wonder if i may have prob with same guy But honestly, do not sign anything till; ya get paid for your hard work! __________________ Need a High-End Custom Shoot? Award Winning Producer / Director / Industry Consultant. Five of my Feature Films have been given top AVN / XBIZ / VENUS awards; How I Became A Sexual Slave 2016, L’Innocente 2014, Inglorious Bitches 2013, Ritual 2011 & Sexual Adventures of Little Red 2009 SINCE 1996 - IMDB Imdb.com - SAMPLES/AWARDS MaxCandy.com Email MaxCandy at MaxCandy.com

12-07-2005, 08:20 AM	#4
llporter Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 3,221	I ain't a lawyer but it does not sound kosher to me. Everyone I have talked to tells me your a hell of a stand-up guy. Why are you letting this guy shit on ya? Name some names so others can stay away from this scumball.

12-07-2005, 08:27 AM	#6
ilbb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: EU - Czech republic Posts: 3,025	bumb for this drama thread

12-07-2005, 09:22 AM	#9
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	always get half up front especially on the big orders or a contract. Business is business.

12-07-2005, 09:29 AM	#11
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,565	Exclusive content is work made for hire, but he should have asked you for paperwork when the content was shot, not after being a late pay. At this late date, he should settle up his tab and expect you to sign after his check clears. If he doesn't trust you to be selling the agreed rights after he has not paid as agreed, then that just reflects on his intentions and you probably shouldn't sign. __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

12-07-2005, 09:29 AM	#12
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	250 sets? jesus - and you kept sending more - too trusting brian. hope you get it resolved soon. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-07-2005, 09:59 AM	#13
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,829	from my experience: sending threads like this to the person before naming names can work wonders. __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

12-07-2005, 10:04 AM	#14
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	2 years is way too long, send the mobbbucks family after him

12-07-2005, 10:14 AM	#17
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,875	I get paid in advance on every shoot... except with Grade A clients. Solves all issues. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

12-07-2005, 10:14 AM	#18
Red Ezra redezra.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vegas Baby! Posts: 4,680	anything "work for hire" is a transfer fo ownership - be careful you do not sign over your copyright and/or ownership doing this

12-07-2005, 12:25 PM	#22
Lykos Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: World Posts: 31,027	world is full of scammers... get used on that __________________

12-07-2005, 12:35 PM	#23
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	But what if the real story was that the guy has already paid you $28,380 and owes $2,500 more and is asking for a work for hire agreement because he doesn't own any of the content without it? What if that was the real story? Would that change anything? So out of a total bill of $30,880 he's paid $28,380 which is 92% of the bill. And yet he still does not legally own the content because he doesn't have the work for hire form. And let's say the other shooter was paid $1,100 out of a total of $2,880. And the second shooter hasn't signed a work for hire either. Those facts might possibly change things, wouldn't they?

12-07-2005, 04:20 PM	#31
Cassavetes Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 286	Yo Shap - Jim's waitin for yer call!!!

12-07-2005, 06:16 PM	#34
llporter Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 3,221	So..... has there been any resolution here or does the screwing continue?

12-08-2005, 12:54 AM	#37
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	Good luck on this one Brian - hope it get's resolved within the next few years __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

12-08-2005, 07:49 AM	#39
PaulG Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 45	Donovan Philips We will not being doing buiness with him if this is all true. We will put him on the "LIST". Although there are not many cheats in this buiness it is good know know who the few are. Donovan Philips. He go by any other names?