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realed · 12-07-2005, 11:35 AM

Hi,

I have owned these 2 domains for just over 6 months approx. No TM issues to date with Sony. Both domains are receiving traffic (dot com traffic is growing rapidly now) and earning money at domainsponsor.com

If you would like to see stats then please email me: [email protected]

Entertaining all offers. Payment via paypal or escrow.

Kind regards

Terry

Luc · 12-07-2005, 11:41 AM

What price range? How many daily uniques for the .com?

CamRabbit · 12-07-2005, 11:42 AM

Good luck getting sued.

evanmorgan · 12-07-2005, 11:42 AM

i reckon ur asking for trouble if u own these.

mrthumbs · 12-07-2005, 11:43 AM

No TM issues to date with sony?

The minute they decide they want the domain its theirs. So bad investment. Keep em and enjoy it while it lasts.

vvq · 12-07-2005, 11:46 AM

i wouldn't touch that domain. huge tm issue.

realed · 12-07-2005, 12:11 PM

The only time you get sued over a domain is when you refuse to give it over. Worst case scenario you hand it over. Ultimately if you are promoting Sony PS3 merchandise on the site it is quite unlikely that Sony would want the domain.

I have dealt in many TM domains in the past and have quite some knowledge on the issue. If you are not interested in these domains then fine :-)

Terry

realed · 12-07-2005, 12:15 PM

FYI ... sonyps3.com is attracting almost 100 direct type-ins per day..... this has risen from zero almost 6 months ago.... I can see this reaching approx between 5000 and 10,000 when and after the console is launched :-)

Sonyps3.net is attracting approx 1/20 of that.

Terry

realed · 12-07-2005, 12:16 PM

LUC, email me directly for current price.... already received an offer....

LiveDose · 12-07-2005, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by realed

The only time you get sued over a domain is when you refuse to give it over. Worst case scenario you hand it over. Ultimately if you are promoting Sony PS3 merchandise on the site it is quite unlikely that Sony would want the domain.

I have dealt in many TM domains in the past and have quite some knowledge on the issue. If you are not interested in these domains then fine :-)

Terry

No actually you just admitted that you are profiting from their trademarked name...

realed · 12-07-2005, 12:35 PM

again, if you don't know anything about TM's and domains then please do not post your opinions on what you "think" is correct and what is you think is not correct.

I have experience in buying and selling domains that have had potential TM issues. Trademarks and TM domain names are definitely linked to one another but in my experience ( legally and in previous sales ) there is room for Manoeuvre if a legal issue arises.

I have dealt with a few blue-chip companies in the past and I have lost only a couple of domains for zero $. In most instances we negotiate a sellback price. TM domain sellback prices tend to be cheaper than legal costs for most blue-chip companies. It just depends on who you are dealing with.

Cheers

Terry

realed · 12-07-2005, 01:52 PM

keep the offers coming....

Terry

Young · 12-07-2005, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by realed

again, if you don't know anything about TM's and domains then please do not post your opinions on what you "think" is correct and what is you think is not correct.

I have experience in buying and selling domains that have had potential TM issues. Trademarks and TM domain names are definitely linked to one another but in my experience ( legally and in previous sales ) there is room for Manoeuvre if a legal issue arises.

I have dealt with a few blue-chip companies in the past and I have lost only a couple of domains for zero $. In most instances we negotiate a sellback price. TM domain sellback prices tend to be cheaper than legal costs for most blue-chip companies. It just depends on who you are dealing with.

Cheers

Terry

I'm not trying to troll but you are definately full of shit. You not only have one trademark in that domain name...you have two. Its double trouble.

Sony could easily make the case that since you are using TWO of their trademarks you are using them to confuse....a big ICANN no no. Also I dare you to show that you registered this domain name in good faith....where is your content?

If this was ever taking to dispute you would lose, there would be no buy back.

And yes... I know a little something about ICANN domain dispute resolution that is why I am commenting.

Dirty F · 12-07-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young

I'm not trying to troll but you are definately full of shit.

Ive been saying that for a long time already. He IS full of shit. Always.

Manowar · 12-07-2005, 02:22 PM

haha "they wouldnt mind if you sold ps3 merchandise"

What sucker believes that shit

Screaming · 12-07-2005, 02:24 PM

Can you post a price range?

4/5/6 figures?

acctman · 12-07-2005, 02:46 PM

you can't legally profit from that domain. i guess the smart thing would be to sell it to some sucker. i could see if it was ps3forum or something but you're using the Corporate name and there product... what can you possibly put on that site to make a profit and not get sued.

pradaboy · 12-07-2005, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck

Ive been saying that for a long time already. He IS full of shit. Always.

Don't be an asshole, Terry knows his stuff for real

Dirty F · 12-07-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pradaboy

Don't be an asshole, Terry knows his stuff for real

FOR REAL????

Terry is the master of inflating prices. Only he can buy a 50 dollar domain and claim its worth 10.000 dollars on gfy the same day. Everybody who questions him he simply calls a noob. Good strategy though, i have to give him that.

Dirty F · 12-07-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pradaboy

Don't be an asshole, Terry knows his stuff for real

Just check this thread and you'll see he doesnt know his stuff "for real".

chadglni · 12-07-2005, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar

haha "they wouldnt mind if you sold ps3 merchandise"

What sucker believes that shit

Most of the time they don't give a rats ass.

lazycash · 12-07-2005, 03:14 PM

This thread reminds me of lanclandesigns trying to sell halolive.com

Veterans Day · 12-07-2005, 03:16 PM

hmm I have had a palm domain for 5 years and sell from it, never an issue, maybe lucky

realed · 12-07-2005, 03:20 PM

Franck, we've already established that you are the True master of knowing nothing and commenting on everything....

I always laugh when i see the sig whores jumping on not only my threads but also other serious threads on this board. I understand why they do it but it's still funny.

It's also funny the amount of domains I sell on here to REAL domain buyer's and sellers who never post but email me directly instead....

Again, i am more than happy to supply my "CV" to anyone who cares to see how serious I am. Something i am sure Franck and his other sig whore buddies won't do!

Terry

realed · 12-07-2005, 03:21 PM

thanks for your support Prada..... nice to see a REAL player making a fair comment!

Terry

realed · 12-07-2005, 03:23 PM

"This thread reminds me of lanclandesigns trying to sell halolive.com"

I bought this domain from this guy and I still own it :-)

Funny how Microsoft haven't attempted to take me to court blah blah blah..... I think this comment goes a long way to confirm all that i have said above!

Thanks for that!

realed · 12-07-2005, 03:29 PM

Veteran's Day.... it's not luck, it's just that most big companies don't care.... ( your point serves to prove my point)

Many of today's major parking programs have all the major companies on their books and so long as they are receiving the traffic and getting sales they don't seem to mind so much. There are exceptions of course.

I have a very large list of TM domains that i park and many of them lead directly to the company homepage of the domain people would suggest (correctly suggest perhaps) that I am infringing upon....

This TM domain falsehood is exagerated by people who don't know about domains. I see it all the time. The people who actually specialize in domain moneterization realise that although TM domains are risky there is still enormous value and potential in them if you know what you are doing.

Anyhow, i am sure Franck has much more to say about his specialist subject so I will let him take the floor....

lazycash · 12-07-2005, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by realed

"This thread reminds me of lanclandesigns trying to sell halolive.com"

I bought this domain from this guy and I still own it :-)

Funny how Microsoft haven't attempted to take me to court blah blah blah..... I think this comment goes a long way to confirm all that i have said above!

Thanks for that!

Interesting, when I asked lanclan how much he sold it for he said it was a lot less than he wanted cause he had to get rid of it. When I asked him why, all he said was he got a letter from Microsoft and didn't want any hassles. Funny, the google cache of the domain still has the logo banner that lanclan ran a contest for in here and then never paid for. http://www.whois.sc/halolive.com

realed · 12-07-2005, 04:43 PM

to be honest, I'm not sure if his story would have been true. I have had this domain for at least 1 year now and i haven't heard anything. I also think it is unlikely that Microsoft can trademark such the generic term HALO or LIVE or phrase HALOLIVE.com

If the matter did go to court chances are they would win it since they could pay for expensive lawyers and issue threats of this and that etc. However, i would be very surprised if Microsoft ever contacted me about this domain. It would be difficult to enforce this as a TM... in fact I would imagine that HALO is not even trademarked....

Terry

realed · 12-08-2005, 03:54 AM

still taking offers for the next 24hrs... if not i will see for the best offer so far...

Cheers

Terry

LiveDose · 12-08-2005, 04:03 AM

Typed Drawing

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Word Mark HALO
Goods and Services IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: Toys, games and playthings, namely, toy action figures and accessories therefor, mechanical action toys, toy vehicles and bendable toy figurines. FIRST USE: 20030800. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030800
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code
Serial Number 78976025
Filing Date March 27, 2001
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition June 24, 2003
Registration Number 2980043
Registration Date July 26, 2005
Owner (REGISTRANT) Microsoft Corporation CORPORATION WASHINGTON One Microsoft Way Redmond WASHINGTON 980526399
Attorney of Record William O. Ferron, Jr.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Typed Drawing

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Word Mark HALO
Goods and Services IC 016. US 002 005 022 023 029 037 038 050. G & S: publications, namely, a series of fiction books, strategy guides all in the field of science fiction, games and entertainment. FIRST USE: 20011000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20011000
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code
Serial Number 78975182
Filing Date March 27, 2001
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition June 25, 2002
Registration Number 2837420
Registration Date April 27, 2004
Owner (REGISTRANT) Microsoft Corporation CORPORATION WASHINGTON One Microsoft Way Redmond WASHINGTON 980526399
Attorney of Record William O. Ferron, Jr.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

sternyduke · 12-08-2005, 04:22 AM

bump for realed, good luck bro...

Nicky · 12-08-2005, 04:30 AM

The domain could be trouble, but it doesnt have to be.....

pradaboy · 12-08-2005, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveDose

Typed Drawing

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Word Mark HALO
Goods and Services IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: Toys, games and playthings, namely, toy action figures and accessories therefor, mechanical action toys, toy vehicles and bendable toy figurines. FIRST USE: 20030800. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030800
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code
Serial Number 78976025
Filing Date March 27, 2001
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition June 24, 2003
Registration Number 2980043
Registration Date July 26, 2005
Owner (REGISTRANT) Microsoft Corporation CORPORATION WASHINGTON One Microsoft Way Redmond WASHINGTON 980526399
Attorney of Record William O. Ferron, Jr.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Typed Drawing

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Word Mark HALO
Goods and Services IC 016. US 002 005 022 023 029 037 038 050. G & S: publications, namely, a series of fiction books, strategy guides all in the field of science fiction, games and entertainment. FIRST USE: 20011000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20011000
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code
Serial Number 78975182
Filing Date March 27, 2001
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition June 25, 2002
Registration Number 2837420
Registration Date April 27, 2004
Owner (REGISTRANT) Microsoft Corporation CORPORATION WASHINGTON One Microsoft Way Redmond WASHINGTON 980526399
Attorney of Record William O. Ferron, Jr.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Having a trademark doesn't mean you can actually enforce it. Look up trademarks for "love" and "apple" and tell me all those people can sue each others' asses off. You can TM anything, enforcing it is a different story.

emthree · 12-08-2005, 05:08 AM

It's nothing but trouble, but I see a few useages.
What's your highest bid at the moment?

realed · 12-08-2005, 06:04 AM

thanks guys, interesting stuff :-)

Email offers please..

Cheers

Terry

realed · 12-09-2005, 06:07 AM

final day of sale...

evanmorgan · 12-09-2005, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acctman

you can't legally profit from that domain. i guess the smart thing would be to sell it to some sucker. .

hence the thread, lol

realed · 12-09-2005, 06:18 AM

well, there are plenty in here. Most of them replying to this thread :-)

evanmorgan · 12-09-2005, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by realed

well, there are plenty in here. Most of them replying to this thread :-)

why dont you keep it?

CamRabbit · 12-09-2005, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evanmorgan

why dont you keep it?

Cause they're hot

realed · 12-09-2005, 06:56 AM

my BIN has not been matched yet so i most probably will keep them.

12-07-2005, 11:35 AM	#1
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	Sonyps3.com + Sonyps3.net domains for sale ... more info inside ... Hi, I have owned these 2 domains for just over 6 months approx. No TM issues to date with Sony. Both domains are receiving traffic (dot com traffic is growing rapidly now) and earning money at domainsponsor.com If you would like to see stats then please email me: [email protected] Entertaining all offers. Payment via paypal or escrow. Kind regards Terry

12-07-2005, 11:41 AM	#2
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12-07-2005, 11:42 AM	#3
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12-07-2005, 11:42 AM	#4
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12-07-2005, 11:46 AM	#6
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12-07-2005, 11:43 AM	#5
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	No TM issues to date with sony? The minute they decide they want the domain its theirs. So bad investment. Keep em and enjoy it while it lasts.

12-07-2005, 12:11 PM	#7
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	The only time you get sued over a domain is when you refuse to give it over. Worst case scenario you hand it over. Ultimately if you are promoting Sony PS3 merchandise on the site it is quite unlikely that Sony would want the domain. I have dealt in many TM domains in the past and have quite some knowledge on the issue. If you are not interested in these domains then fine :-) Terry

12-07-2005, 12:15 PM	#8
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	FYI ... sonyps3.com is attracting almost 100 direct type-ins per day..... this has risen from zero almost 6 months ago.... I can see this reaching approx between 5000 and 10,000 when and after the console is launched :-) Sonyps3.net is attracting approx 1/20 of that. Terry

12-07-2005, 12:16 PM	#9
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	LUC, email me directly for current price.... already received an offer....

12-07-2005, 12:35 PM	#11
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	again, if you don't know anything about TM's and domains then please do not post your opinions on what you "think" is correct and what is you think is not correct. I have experience in buying and selling domains that have had potential TM issues. Trademarks and TM domain names are definitely linked to one another but in my experience ( legally and in previous sales ) there is room for Manoeuvre if a legal issue arises. I have dealt with a few blue-chip companies in the past and I have lost only a couple of domains for zero $. In most instances we negotiate a sellback price. TM domain sellback prices tend to be cheaper than legal costs for most blue-chip companies. It just depends on who you are dealing with. Cheers Terry

12-07-2005, 01:52 PM	#12
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	keep the offers coming.... Terry

12-07-2005, 02:22 PM	#15
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	haha "they wouldnt mind if you sold ps3 merchandise" What sucker believes that shit

12-07-2005, 02:24 PM	#16
Screaming I can change this!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,972	Can you post a price range? 4/5/6 figures? __________________

12-07-2005, 02:46 PM	#17
acctman Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,840	you can't legally profit from that domain. i guess the smart thing would be to sell it to some sucker. i could see if it was ps3forum or something but you're using the Corporate name and there product... what can you possibly put on that site to make a profit and not get sued.

12-07-2005, 03:14 PM	#22
lazycash Troll Patrol Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Local Socal Posts: 15,214	This thread reminds me of lanclandesigns trying to sell halolive.com

12-07-2005, 03:16 PM	#23
Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	hmm I have had a palm domain for 5 years and sell from it, never an issue, maybe lucky __________________ Build a Massive Traffic Network, Hands FREE, Totally Automated

12-07-2005, 03:20 PM	#24
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	Franck, we've already established that you are the True master of knowing nothing and commenting on everything.... I always laugh when i see the sig whores jumping on not only my threads but also other serious threads on this board. I understand why they do it but it's still funny. It's also funny the amount of domains I sell on here to REAL domain buyer's and sellers who never post but email me directly instead.... Again, i am more than happy to supply my "CV" to anyone who cares to see how serious I am. Something i am sure Franck and his other sig whore buddies won't do! Terry

12-07-2005, 03:21 PM	#25
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	thanks for your support Prada..... nice to see a REAL player making a fair comment! Terry

12-07-2005, 03:23 PM	#26
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	"This thread reminds me of lanclandesigns trying to sell halolive.com" I bought this domain from this guy and I still own it :-) Funny how Microsoft haven't attempted to take me to court blah blah blah..... I think this comment goes a long way to confirm all that i have said above! Thanks for that!

12-07-2005, 03:29 PM	#27
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	Veteran's Day.... it's not luck, it's just that most big companies don't care.... ( your point serves to prove my point) Many of today's major parking programs have all the major companies on their books and so long as they are receiving the traffic and getting sales they don't seem to mind so much. There are exceptions of course. I have a very large list of TM domains that i park and many of them lead directly to the company homepage of the domain people would suggest (correctly suggest perhaps) that I am infringing upon.... This TM domain falsehood is exagerated by people who don't know about domains. I see it all the time. The people who actually specialize in domain moneterization realise that although TM domains are risky there is still enormous value and potential in them if you know what you are doing. Anyhow, i am sure Franck has much more to say about his specialist subject so I will let him take the floor....

12-07-2005, 04:43 PM	#29
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	to be honest, I'm not sure if his story would have been true. I have had this domain for at least 1 year now and i haven't heard anything. I also think it is unlikely that Microsoft can trademark such the generic term HALO or LIVE or phrase HALOLIVE.com If the matter did go to court chances are they would win it since they could pay for expensive lawyers and issue threats of this and that etc. However, i would be very surprised if Microsoft ever contacted me about this domain. It would be difficult to enforce this as a TM... in fact I would imagine that HALO is not even trademarked.... Terry

12-08-2005, 03:54 AM	#30
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	still taking offers for the next 24hrs... if not i will see for the best offer so far... Cheers Terry

12-08-2005, 04:03 AM	#31
LiveDose Show Yer Tits! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Out there... Posts: 25,792	Typed Drawing -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Word Mark HALO Goods and Services IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: Toys, games and playthings, namely, toy action figures and accessories therefor, mechanical action toys, toy vehicles and bendable toy figurines. FIRST USE: 20030800. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030800 Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Design Search Code Serial Number 78976025 Filing Date March 27, 2001 Current Filing Basis 1A Original Filing Basis 1B Published for Opposition June 24, 2003 Registration Number 2980043 Registration Date July 26, 2005 Owner (REGISTRANT) Microsoft Corporation CORPORATION WASHINGTON One Microsoft Way Redmond WASHINGTON 980526399 Attorney of Record William O. Ferron, Jr. Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL Live/Dead Indicator LIVE Typed Drawing -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Word Mark HALO Goods and Services IC 016. US 002 005 022 023 029 037 038 050. G & S: publications, namely, a series of fiction books, strategy guides all in the field of science fiction, games and entertainment. FIRST USE: 20011000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20011000 Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Design Search Code Serial Number 78975182 Filing Date March 27, 2001 Current Filing Basis 1A Original Filing Basis 1B Published for Opposition June 25, 2002 Registration Number 2837420 Registration Date April 27, 2004 Owner (REGISTRANT) Microsoft Corporation CORPORATION WASHINGTON One Microsoft Way Redmond WASHINGTON 980526399 Attorney of Record William O. Ferron, Jr. Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL Live/Dead Indicator LIVE __________________ Scammer Alert: acer19 acer [email protected] [email protected] Money stolen using PayPal

12-08-2005, 04:22 AM	#32
sternyduke Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 1,082	bump for realed, good luck bro...

12-08-2005, 04:30 AM	#33
Nicky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	The domain could be trouble, but it doesnt have to be..... __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

12-08-2005, 05:08 AM	#35
emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	It's nothing but trouble, but I see a few useages. What's your highest bid at the moment? __________________ • Sell Patches & Pills •

12-08-2005, 06:04 AM	#36
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	thanks guys, interesting stuff :-) Email offers please.. Cheers Terry

12-09-2005, 06:07 AM	#37
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	final day of sale...

12-09-2005, 06:18 AM	#39
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	well, there are plenty in here. Most of them replying to this thread :-)

12-09-2005, 06:56 AM	#42
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	my BIN has not been matched yet so i most probably will keep them.