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TheDoc · 12-07-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

But you need much more sales for a PPS program to be as profitable as a recurring program + a PPS program has to be a program with trials, that means, less $$$ first(much more less, lets compare a $2 membership with a $30 membership), if you dont make enough (much above the average or you have to fuck the surfer over some way) rebills, you are fucked.

PPS idea is more volume, which is easier to get because you are paying pps. You just need a good amount of extra cash to make the payments. With recurring the owner still waits a good period of time for a good profit %. The owner always nets 40%, PPS can make more than 40% net even paying on trials, even more so with trial upgrades. The better the site retains the more net the pps will make, as time goes on the net increases.

bigdog · 12-07-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

PPS idea is more volume, which is easier to get because you are paying pps. You just need a good amount of extra cash to make the payments. With recurring the owner still waits a good period of time for a good profit %. The owner always nets 40%, PPS can make more than 40% net even paying on trials, even more so with trial upgrades. The better the site retains the more net the pps will make, as time goes on the net increases.

i always love to hear from TheDoc

bigdog · 12-08-2005, 06:32 AM

morning bump for a biz thread

bigdog · 12-23-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kmanrox

im sorry but real business threads are not tolerated here

lol

Hey you got try sometimes

Blizzard · 02-04-2006, 12:31 PM

Bump for a business thread.

FlyingIguana · 02-04-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Toolz

$68 for no trials sounds doable, $39.95 per w/ 1.7 avg retention.

i can't think of a site that would be worth 39.95

thats part of the problem with a lot of sites, burn too many surfers for a long time with huge rebills for crap content

FlyingIguana · 02-04-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

not to imply that you're doing anything deceptive, because this is just the nature of tracking mechanisms, but there's still a ton of no cookie traffic, people who've cleared cookies, people with privacy programs, etc; not counting the occasional glitches at the processor that for whatever reason don't credit a valid referral...

so lenthening the cookie expiration is helpful to affiliates (and you should be commended for doing so), but there's still a ton of 'unmarked' traffic

btw, regarding my example above, I had cookies on my program set to the maximum ccbill allowed

cookie cleaning programs. i remember when every 2nd site promoted those lol

andrej_NDC · 02-04-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingIguana

i can't think of a site that would be worth 39.95

thats part of the problem with a lot of sites, burn too many surfers for a long time with huge rebills for crap content

every site is worth more than 39.95...1 DVD costs that...the problem is not the expensive sites, but the cheap ones, which fucked up the pricing

bigdog · 02-05-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

every site is worth more than 39.95...1 DVD costs that...the problem is not the expensive sites, but the cheap ones, which fucked up the pricing

Very true, sites are pretty cheap considering what the surfer is getting

fuzebox · 02-05-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingIguana

cookie cleaning programs. i remember when every 2nd site promoted those lol

Not just technical issues, but word-of-mouth between friends, and typeins. Picture this, surfer is on his computer at work, finds a paysite he likes, remembers the url, and checks it out at home again when he has more time and privacy.

sfera · 02-05-2006, 02:13 PM

i think they lose if you ask me

wedouglas · 02-05-2006, 02:26 PM

Depends. Some sites that pay out $$$ on a $2.95 trial don't cookie. I would prefer they did, but hey, I enjoy good ratios at high $$ per trials. It's a compromise.

Reak AGV · 02-05-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sfera

i think they lose if you ask me

We have a winner here, that's the only correct answer. Thread closed.

FlyingIguana · 02-05-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

every site is worth more than 39.95...1 DVD costs that...the problem is not the expensive sites, but the cheap ones, which fucked up the pricing

thats part of the problem. you may think its value but it actually isn't in the surfer's eyes. the best sites i've seen charge well under 39.95. typically the ones who charge 39.95 are the cookie cutter sites.

its almost as if the shittier the site, the larger the monthly.

compare with other movie type services. on cable, the movie channel offers tons of movies for a low monthly. renting that shit let alone buying, costs a lot more. even online music sales is the same way when you look at the subscription models.

woj · 02-05-2006, 03:11 PM

in my opinion a normal decent site can profit around $35/member...
a great, well run site, with popups, mailing old members, upsells etc, can probably push it to $40ish/member, but I really doubt it's much more than that....

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wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	Depends. Some sites that pay out $$$ on a $2.95 trial don't cookie. I would prefer they did, but hey, I enjoy good ratios at high $$ per trials. It's a compromise.