Big questions about 9/11 still unanswered...

[Dagwolf]

https://youtube.com/watch.php?v=BdiuCg4-snk

The narrater doesn't sound like the sharpest tack in the box, but he's done his homework.

I've completely ignored all the conspiracy theories up to now. This just makes too much sense; It's really hard to dismiss all of it.

[Matt 26z]

I just want to know how a huge airliner can crash into the Pentagon, yet not break the windows above the impact point...

[who]

The hole is way too small for a plane's nose

[Jay_StandAhead]

theking will come in here saying how there's no proof shown on those pics and that there is clearly a plane there

[Nathan]

ever wonder how a bullet puts a tiny hole into the front of a head and blows out half the brain in the back?

Same principle.

[who]

Originally Posted by Nathan

ever wonder how a bullet puts a tiny hole into the front of a head and blows out half the brain in the back?

Same principle.

Haha you silly mexican.. planes don't quite fly the same speed as bullets do..

[who]

Originally Posted by Jay[neX]

theking will come in here saying how there's no proof shown on those pics and that there is clearly a plane there

Wasn't pathfinder working at the pentagon on a top-secret thingy on that day?

[Jay_StandAhead]

Originally Posted by Nathan

ever wonder how a bullet puts a tiny hole into the front of a head and blows out half the brain in the back?

Same principle.

except a boeing has large wings and is 2 times higher than the hole. wouldn't the wings at least damage the building? Look closely at the impact on the WTC, you see the type of hole a plane makes. I don't care how strong the building is, there will at least be some damage

[Matt 26z]

Also notice that the window to the left of the impact point appears to be intact. The left wing should have broken it.

That might be smoke instead of the foam we see on the top windows, but the horizontal beam where the top and bottom windows meet is clearly untouched. The wing should have broken that right off.

[who]

I guess they wanted to do some renovations - how damn old is the pentagon anyway?

Then they decided they could get renovations AND brainwash the citizens in one foul swoop.

[Nathan]

So, your theories is a missle? Do you guys realize what even the smalles air to ground missles do in terms of damage? It would not fit either.

Until one sees a video of the exact crash nothing will be proven or disproven. Who knows what speed the plane had, who knows where exactly it impacted, I agree it does look strange, but there are many possabilities as to what could be the case.

And who, emm.. learn geography.

[Jay_StandAhead]

If you're so quick to dismiss the missile theory, why can't you dismiss the plane theory? There is surely more evidence supporting other theories and yet you stick with the plane one.

[Johny Traffic]

There is one thing all these conspiracy theories miss. It would take hundreds if not thousands of people to not say a word about all these attacks, missing planes, missing people, missing evidence.

The fact is you cant find one American who can keep there mouth shut about anything. Let alone 1000's about the US Government killing its own people

[Just Mike]

seen alot of these documentaries. At first I thought all this stuff was crap...no way the govt could do something like this but the more I read and the more saw these films the evidence seemed to be right in front of us but like most people I was a sleep.

the govt has admitted in the past that they have staged events in history in order to affect world policy. so in 50 years when the freedom of info act allows docs to be released I guess we may find out some interesting info about the pentagon and 9/11 but overall i think if you examine the storues from the govt closely its obvious something is not right

[who]

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

There is one thing all these conspiracy theories miss. It would take hundreds if not thousands of people to not say a word about all these attacks, missing planes, missing people, missing evidence.

The fact is you cant find one American who can keep there mouth shut about anything. Let alone 1000's about the US Government killing its own people

But the point is that nobody believes the government orchestrated all this. They believe what they're told by Mr. Bush. I mean, really, who wants to live under a government which does things like that? People want to believe that they are safe and they want to believe everything Bush tells them. It's just natural.

I am sure this will all come out sooner or later (probably later).

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Sexentertain_mike

seen alot of these documentaries. At first I thought all this stuff was crap...no way the govt could do something like this but the more I read and the more saw these films the evidence seemed to be right in front of us but like most people I was a sleep.

the govt has admitted in the past that they have staged events in history in order to affect world policy. so in 50 years when the freedom of info act allows docs to be released I guess we may find out some interesting info about the pentagon and 9/11 but overall i think if you examine the storues from the govt closely its obvious something is not right

shaking my head in amazement

[Johny Traffic]

Originally Posted by who

But the point is that nobody believes the government orchestrated all this. They believe what they're told by Mr. Bush. I mean, really, who wants to live under a government which does things like that? People want to believe that they are safe and they want to believe everything Bush tells them. It's just natural.

I am sure this will all come out sooner or later (probably later).

Unless Mr Bush drove up and shot a rocket into the building himself, which he stole from his Local bomb shop with no one noticing. It would have taken Lots of people to organise and carry out any of these attacks, plus lots of paper work. Bush doesnt even blow his nose without 100 people knowing about it, let alone shoot misiles into the side of buildings.

Plus it makes no sense at all to even bother on the same day as the twin tower attacks. Is that a big coincidence? He attacked the Pentegon on the same day terrorists happen to fly to planes into the towers? No way, if its a conspiracy theory, then the whole lot has to have been set up by the government. The planes etc, everything. You cant have one without the other.

That would take 100's if not 1000's of people and paper work and planning, you have any idea how much? You telling me not one person involved, not one single person, has come out and said anything. Also what about all the scientists actually involved in investigating. Not those sitting from the side lines, but the actuall investigaters. They are all involved in this cover up?

Like I say, find me one American who can keep there mouth shut about anything, then I'll maybe believe there are 1000's who are covering this up

[Matt 26z]

I don't know what happened (or even what to believe happened), but I am confident that the story we have all come to know probably isn't the truth.

Maybe the actual story is similar to what we know, or maybe it's so far out there that nobody would ever believe it could be true.

[Manowar]

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

Unless Mr Bush drove up and shot a rocket into the building himself, which he stole from his Local bomb shop with no one noticing. It would have taken Lots of people to organise and carry out any of these attacks, plus lots of paper work. Bush doesnt even blow his nose without 100 people knowing about it, let alone shoot misiles into the side of buildings.

Plus it makes no sense at all to even bother on the same day as the twin tower attacks. Is that a big coincidence? He attacked the Pentegon on the same day terrorists happen to fly to planes into the towers? No way, if its a conspiracy theory, then the whole lot has to have been set up by the government. The planes etc, everything. You cant have one without the other.

That would take 100's if not 1000's of people and paper work and planning, you have any idea how much? You telling me not one person involved, not one single person, has come out and said anything. Also what about all the scientists actually involved in investigating. Not those sitting from the side lines, but the actuall investigaters. They are all involved in this cover up?

Like I say, find me one American who can keep there mouth shut about anything, then I'll maybe believe there are 1000's who are covering this up

There is always the theory that the US govt. didn't actually orchastrate it, they just knew about it and let it happen.

[Johny Traffic]

Originally Posted by Manowar

There is always the theory that the US govt. didn't actually orchastrate it, they just knew about it and let it happen.

Yep, I guess you can always use that one. Informants, intelligence operatives, data collection agencies, paperwork pushers. Again all keeping quiet about the government letting 1000's of its own citizens being murdered. Let alone the intelligence and millatary services also keeping quiet.

Not one person has told anybody?

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

That would take 100's if not 1000's of people and paper work and planning, you have any idea how much? You telling me not one person involved, not one single person, has come out and said anything.

A government conspiracy would take at the very most the same number of people it took (or would have taken) Al-Qaeda to pull it off.

If you believe it would take one thousand people connected with the government to pull off such a conspiracy, then you must also believe Al-Qaeda had one thousand people behind their attack.

Clearly, Al-Qaeda had a very limited group working on it based on the story most accept.

[Linkster]

The most incredible thing about all of the Wash DC story (pentagon) is that not one single photograph or video has ever been published of the plane anywhere close to the (potential) crash site - no surveillance camera pics from any building within eyewitness distance, no tourists floating around with home videos - not a single one of the plane just before impact - and those odds are - well - impossible

Of all of the "theories" out there that are plausible, or make some sense Ive always thought that Warren Buffet probably had an amazing hand in this instead of the Govt - if youre interested do a search on google for his name and 911 - of course some of the stuff out there - is just that - out there

[Lee]

The most amazing thing for me is that after 9/11 you had an election and re-elected Bush.

That was staggering.

[xclusive]

we will never know the true story

[camouflaged123]

We can know the real story if they hire the right people!

[Johny Traffic]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

A government conspiracy would take at the very most the same number of people it took (or would have taken) Al-Qaeda to pull it off.

If you believe it would take one thousand people connected with the government to pull off such a conspiracy, then you must also believe Al-Qaeda had one thousand people behind their attack.

Clearly, Al-Qaeda had a very limited group working on it based on the story most accept.

Dont be so naive thats not true at all. Al-Qaeda isnt a Government. They dont have to delegate, dont have to pass orders. You think George, said to a pilot, hey dude, fly that into the twin towers for me? That easy to organise such a thing? OK and the investigators and emergency services etc, all people george sits with down his local gym or something?

It would take 100's if not 1000's of people to cover this up. Al-Qaeda dont want or need to cover up anything. They wanted the world to know they did it. Takes alot less people to cover something up if you are not covering it up.

That doesnt even include, the conseiving of the ideas, the planning etc.

Also why not just stop at the twin towers, was that not enough?

Plus they have a totaly different outlook on life. Again find me one American who can keep quiet about anything. Not 100's (at least) keeping quiet about the Government flying planes into the side of the twin towers

[Johny Traffic]

Instead of trying to blame your government for flying there own planes into sides of buildings, you should be wondering why these people feel they need to fly planes into your buildings.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

Al-Qaeda isnt a Government. They dont have to delegate, dont have to pass orders. You think George, said to a pilot, hey dude, fly that into the twin towers for me? That easy to organise such a thing? OK and the investigators and emergency services etc, all people george sits with down his local gym or something?

First of all, Al-Qaeda has never claimed responsibility for 9/11 even though they jumped forward with their hand in the air for every other terror operation they have done.

As was true in the Al-Qaeda theory, in a government conspiracy not everyone would know exactly what they were doing. A paper pusher isn't going to notice something and say "Oh wow, my government is planning on blowing up buildings!" The actual knowledge of most involved would have been so small individually that to this day they don't even know they were part of a conspiracy. To them, it was just a part of their everyday job.


I don't know what happened. You think one thing, yet a fact from another theory debunks it. Even if Al-Qaeda was behind it, there's still a coverup of information going on. Why?

[Johny Traffic]

Im not going to waiste my time talking about fairy tails and fantasy. If you want to believe your own government did it, thats fine. and all the investigators are in on it to, thats also fine, It wasnt a plane it was a bomb and every investigator afterwards are in on it to. all fine.

But until people like you wake up and see exactly why people are happy to die in the hope of killing more Americans, then expect alot more attacks like this.

As they are straping bombs to themselves or flying planes into your buildings youll be happy in the knowledge that its probably the US government doing it and not people who feel its the only option left.

[Dirty F]

Im not gonna read this thread but for all you idiots with questions, search that shit up. Basically everything is and can be answered.

Just because you dont understand why certain glass doesnt break or why a plane can disintegrate doesnt mean something is wrong and the goverment is lying.

99% of these IDIOTIC conspiracy theories are based on the fact that you dont know jack shit and love to believe something is going on.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Jay[neX]

except a boeing has large wings and is 2 times higher than the hole. wouldn't the wings at least damage the building? Look closely at the impact on the WTC, you see the type of hole a plane makes. I don't care how strong the building is, there will at least be some damage

Nigga please...go find the docu that was aired on National Geo. Its explained. Everything is explained. Stop talking shit simply because you have no knowledge about what happened. First find the facts than start your nonsene theories.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Linkster

The most incredible thing about all of the Wash DC story (pentagon) is that not one single photograph or video has ever been published of the plane anywhere close to the (potential) crash site - no surveillance camera pics from any building within eyewitness distance, no tourists floating around with home videos - not a single one of the plane just before impact - and those odds are - well - impossible

Of all of the "theories" out there that are plausible, or make some sense Ive always thought that Warren Buffet probably had an amazing hand in this instead of the Govt - if youre interested do a search on google for his name and 911 - of course some of the stuff out there - is just that - out there

Are you insane? Ignorant? Retarded? There is so fucking much evidence a plane flew into the pentagon. It even hit a lightpole on its way there. Eyewitnesses. The engines and 1000's of parts of the plane are found. What exactly dont you understand about this? Its 100% proven that it was a plane. This shouldnt even be questioned. Its like questioning if you can breath air or not. Wtf is wrong with all you people????

You dont live on the northpole do you? Go search your shit up before you talk all these nonsene. You will find PLENTY of evidence of a plane. Not just plenty but TONS!

[seven]

Originally Posted by Franck

Are you insane? Ignorant? Retarded? There is so fucking much evidence a plane flew into the pentagon. It even hit a lightpole on its way there. Eyewitnesses. The engines and 1000's of parts of the plane are found. What exactly dont you understand about this? Its 100% proven that it was a plane. This shouldnt even be questioned. Its like questioning if you can breath air or not. Wtf is wrong with all you people????

You dont live on the northpole do you? Go search your shit up before you talk all these nonsene. You will find PLENTY of evidence of a plane. Not just plenty but TONS!

Help me search URLs please.

[woj]

It was fun to speculate about it 4 years ago, but now it's time to move on man...

[who]

Originally Posted by woj

It was fun to speculate about it 4 years ago, but now it's time to move on man...

No, it's time to find out the truth....

[sltr]

Originally Posted by Linkster

The most incredible thing about all of the Wash DC story (pentagon) is that not one single photograph or video has ever been published of the plane anywhere close to the (potential) crash site - no surveillance camera pics from any building within eyewitness distance, no tourists floating around with home videos - not a single one of the plane just before impact - and those odds are - well - impossible

Of all of the "theories" out there that are plausible, or make some sense Ive always thought that Warren Buffet probably had an amazing hand in this instead of the Govt - if youre interested do a search on google for his name and 911 - of course some of the stuff out there - is just that - out there

here are dozens of eyewtiness accounts
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/91...witnesses.html

here is a simulation using scientific principles done by purdue univeristy
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4....Pentagon.html

[sltr]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

First of all, Al-Qaeda has never claimed responsibility for 9/11 even though they jumped forward with their hand in the air for every other terror operation they have done.

this is a classic gfy post

Bin Laden claims responsibility for 9/11
Last Updated Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:21:01 EDT
CBC News

QATAR - Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...age041029.html

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

Like I say, find me one American who can keep there mouth shut about anything, then I'll maybe believe there are 1000's who are covering this up

Mark Felt

[MrJackMeHoff]

I like this one

[broke]

Originally Posted by MrJackMeHoff

I like this one

OMFG - These kooks crack me up.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by sltr

this is a classic gfy post
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...age041029.html

Yes, I know of that tape.

I'll repeat it again, Al-Qaeda has never claimed responsibility for 9/11.

His words in that tape were taken by some that he was implying they did 9/11, but he was very far from coming right out and saying it. They have in fact denied it all along.

Until he comes out and says "We were responsible for 9/11" I will believe others may have been involved along with members of Al-Qaeda.

[Basic_man]

This is still a shitty story ! Bush should deserve to die !!!!!!

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Franck

Just because you dont understand why certain glass doesnt break or why a plane can disintegrate doesnt mean something is wrong and the goverment is lying.

Please, clue us in.

Does ANYONE here have a link explaining why glass to the left of the hole didn't break when that is the exact spot the wing should have smashed into?

I don't see how that can be explained.

I have read many sites trying to debunk the conspiracy theories, and many do a pretty good job..... But they leave out the fact that the hole at the Pentagon wasn't big enough to swallow up the wings also. The wing debris should be on the outside of the building, yet there is nothing there and there is no wing damage to the building.

[MattO]

People who believe in these crackpot conspiracies are complete idiots. It's always gotta be some fuckin' X-files shit, "ooo it's not a fucking plane, it's a secret missle, ooo, I saw a video on the net made by a guy with a degree so it's gotta be true" (degree in assfuckery, most likely)

It's a slap in the face to the people who died on Flight 77 and in the Pentagon.

[sltr]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Yes, I know of that tape.

I'll repeat it again, Al-Qaeda has never claimed responsibility for 9/11.

His words in that tape were taken by some that he was implying they did 9/11, but he was very far from coming right out and saying it. They have in fact denied it all along.

Until he comes out and says "We were responsible for 9/11" I will believe others may have been involved along with members of Al-Qaeda.

Bin Laden: Yes, I did it
By David Bamber
(Filed: 11/11/2001)

OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his al-Qa'eda group carried out the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can reveal.
Osama bin Laden with journalist Hamid Mir during the interview for a Pakistani newspaper

In a previously undisclosed video which has been circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he confesses that "history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents".

In the footage, shot in the Afghan mountains at the end of October, a smiling bin Laden goes on to say that the World Trade Centre's twin towers were a "legitimate target" and the pilots who hijacked the planes were "blessed by Allah".
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/ne.../11/wbin11.xml

[sltr]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Please, clue us in.

Does ANYONE here have a link explaining why glass to the left of the hole didn't break when that is the exact spot the wing should have smashed into?

I don't see how that can be explained.

I have read many sites trying to debunk the conspiracy theories, and many do a pretty good job..... But they leave out the fact that the hole at the Pentagon wasn't big enough to swallow up the wings also. The wing debris should be on the outside of the building, yet there is nothing there and there is no wing damage to the building.

please explain the physics of a 50 ton airplane loaded with jet fuel going 600 mph crashing into one of the most fortified buildings in the world then

[crowkid]

ahhh, good comedy for a Saturday, thanks kooks!

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by sltr

Bin Laden: Yes, I did it
By David Bamber
(Filed: 11/11/2001)

OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his al-Qa'eda group carried out the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can reveal.
Osama bin Laden with journalist Hamid Mir during the interview for a Pakistani newspaper

In a previously undisclosed video which has been circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he confesses that "history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents".

In the footage, shot in the Afghan mountains at the end of October, a smiling bin Laden goes on to say that the World Trade Centre's twin towers were a "legitimate target" and the pilots who hijacked the planes were "blessed by Allah".
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/ne.../11/wbin11.xml

Nowhere in that video does he claim responsibility. What you are seeing is him praising the destruction. Not an admission that he did it.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by sltr

please explain the physics of a 50 ton airplane loaded with jet fuel going 600 mph crashing into one of the most fortified buildings in the world then

What are you getting at?

If it was a plane, then obviously the building wasn't as fortified as you think. I believe documentaries have all stated that the Pentagon wasn't all that strong since it was built in a hurry so long ago.

Besides, the fuel is stored in the wings. While it has been proven that the body could have fit through that hole, nobody has explained how the wings could have.

[rip raster]

you will probably never know the whole truth, speculation is all you will ever have.