I agree that Lebron is way younger.. BUT.. the reason why he is playing in the pros is because he was too "old" for college.. He was like u said; a man child.. So that is not a valid point... You can not give him credit for being young, yet at the same time.. defend him for being young. Take either one.. Either compare him at jordan's 3rd year or dont.... Now let's not even go that far.. Compare him to Wade.. Wade did WAY more than Lebron in his first year.. as a rookie WITHOUT shaq... than lebron has done in his career! :thumbsup

He is very young.. but he is build like jordan never was.. which will make it even harder for him to become the "next" jordan. Jordan was never that kind of specimen.. he had the balls and the heart.. and the drive... that along with talent of course made him who he is...

Will there be another jordan? Im sure.. there's gotta be someone born better than him at all levels.. I just doubt he is alive yet!

Players with the "Next Jordan" title:

Grant Hill
Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter
Lebron james
Dwyane Wade
Penny Hardaway
Jerry Stackhouse
Tracy McGrady

every few years someone gets the title and fucks up

That is exactly how i have felt from the begining too.. I thought he was too good too quick.. I can't see him improving much.. He will improve.. most ppl improve with experience.. but how much greater can he get? he wont.. Look at Garnett.. When he came out of High School he was this skinny kid.. now he is mad fucking strong.. and with that his game improved.. If lebron grows any bigger.. he has to change position and sport to linebacker!

LB is really a point forward. An athletic wing with the ball-handling of a 1. If anything Lebron is more like the Big O than Magic or MJ. I saw Lebron play at 2 ABCD camps, at I.S. 8 in Queens and Rucker and he just keeps getting better. Lenny Cooke and 'Melo all matched up favorably against LeBron when they played.

LeBron has all the skills in the world and the Cavs are much improved, but they will still fall far short of winning anything this year. If i had to pick one player to start a team with it'd be T-Dunc, not LB.

LB is really a point forward. An athletic wing with the ball-handling of a 1. If anything Lebron is more like the Big O than Magic or MJ. I saw Lebron play at 2 ABCD camps, at I.S. 8 in Queens and Rucker and he just keeps getting better. Lenny Cooke and 'Melo all matched up favorably against LeBron when they played. Now???

LeBron has all the skills in the world and the Cavs are much improved, but they will still fall far short of winning anything this year. If i had to pick one player to start a team with it'd be T-Dunc, not LB.

and maybe Lebron decides in 2 years to start shooting heroin, find god and become a priest, die in a car accident, start playing baseball, or even have a serious injury!

if after 10 years he is in good health and won 2-3 championships and MVP's then we can say he is great, for now he only has the POTENTIAL like 100's of others

Exactly.

I hope there is another Jordan out there, but I don't think we'll live to see him if he is.

Life has a weird way of working though. If there is another Jordan, he'll probably be some unassuming guy that nobody gives a rats ass about because he doesn't glitter like gold in his first or second year. But after that he slowly but surely begins doing things nobody else on the court can. :)

:1orglaugh

I wonder what he's going to look like in 5 years from now.

Anyway, great insight in this thread. Just wanted to share my opinion and see what others think. Good stuff.

I will say this, LeBron is still improving in all areas of his game, each year. This is another reason why I think he's got that potential. If he wasn't still improving, I'd agree that he just hit his peak at an early age. But I bought the basketball season package and I watch each game closely and I look at his stats. He is definitely still improving which is what Jordan did as well. Vince Carter pretty much stayed the same.

D Wade rocks, I'm very impressed with his heart and ability. But no way would I take him over Lebron. He had a much better team then Lebron had the last 2 seasons, even without Shaq. D Wade is one of the best players in the NBA, no doubt. Both Wade and LeBron make their teammates much better.

And I'll admit like I said before, I'm from Cleveland, so I'm a little biased. If I were from Miami, I'd probably take Wade.

backpeddling

It's funny how no one talks about Kobe Bryant but yet he has 3 championship rings under his belt. He is half way home compared to jordan in rings, recognize people recognize.

Reason being is cuz SHAQ won those ;) :thumbsup :pimp

I think there is no comparison to Lebron. To be honest, he has skills of all the greats. He's bigger than Jordan and can play the foward spot. Jordan could never have done that. He passes and has vision like Magic, he can hit clutch 3 pointers like Reggie Miller, he can dominate a game and take it over, he can make all the players around him better. I truly think he is the best all around basketball player to ever play. I think over the years, he will break all kinds of records and most importantly lead his team to titles.

Please.....He didn't do it alone

Agreed .... look at the Fakers now. They got Kobe and Phil and they SUCK. No one player makes a team .... its a group of guys that have chemistry .. like the Pistons. No crazy standout player there, but just a bunch of good players that all work well together like a well oiled machine.

The cavs have that same chemistry. Just watch and see what they do over the next few years.

we forgot about T-MAC folks :thumbsup

http://www.bballone.com/tracym/rocke...ts7_resize.jpg

Whatfucking ever.. Look at the Lakers since Shaq left :thumbsup

The facts prove it! :1orglaugh

He HAS the killer instinct for sure. Lacks the clutch drive to the lane? What? Have we been watching the same games. I have the basketball package and watch almost all their games. This year was when he got his 3 point game together and thats why no one can guard him now. He can drive to the whole and finish while getting fouled or step back and drop a 3.

I even talked to Yoda and he agrees ... Lebron is a Jedi Master.

Jordan wasn't alone either he had pippen(was considered 2nd best player in the nba during jordan's career) :thumbsup

exactly, so Kobe is like Pippen and NOT Jordan, behind someone's shadow

Mike is deeply disappointed in you, D-Money

http://i.tsn.com/i/o/jordan/photo8.jpg

I can still see the play in my head over and over again-
I was at OSU with all my frat bros from Detroit and I never heard the end of it- it still makes me cry seeing Jordan hit that jumper
:-((
Thanks Ramos I am now going to shave my ass and squat in a bowl of gin...
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No I was thinking more like shaq as pippen :thumbsup

Key words: DURING JORDAN'S CAREER!

In other words.. he was good cuz he had jordan LOL

Whatever man.. Look at facts.. Look at the Lakers with Shaq and look at them now.. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

How can Kobe be THAT good when the same team that went to the playoffs.. with D wade .. get traded to LA and then Kobe who u are saying is better than Dwayne.. takes his place ( dwayne's ) yet the lakers suck ass! LOL

The facts speak for themselves.. kobe is talented and very good one on one scorer.. he sucks cock as a baller! Fuck kobe!

Dont even put kobe in the same level as lebron and dwayne! :thumbsup

D. Wade is better than LeBron and Carmelo IMO because not only can he take over a game but he makes the other players on the team better because of his ball handling and passing.
Watch out for the Heat once Shaq comes back. :winkwink:

Now u are just being stupid on purpose! :1orglaugh :upsidedow

I didnt want to say that cuz im from Miami.. so Im biased.. but can u imagine with a healthy shaq and zo playing like he is playing!!! :thumbsup :winkwink:

LB is the most exciting player in the NBA to watch

That was nasty but Zo leads the league in blocked shots and shot blockers are going to get dunked on.
And the fact Zo is even playing at this kind of level is a miracle considering he had a kidney transplant.

What the hell is this shit Michael Jordan would be mad as a mother fucker if he saw this! are u serious na never that big up to all my south side hustlers in the chi town fuck ohio never will there be another M.J .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .....................................

http://graphics.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~all...kiss_floor.jpg

For the love of the game

100% agree with ya. Kobe should be playing in that street ball league, not the NBA. He is a one man show and not a team player. D Wade is 10x the better player. You need more than point scoring to be the best.

LMAO
:1orglaugh

Shit, he looks mad at me.

It's easy to set records if your the only one on your team that gets the ball.

Koby = way better.

See how many his selfish ass wins now Shaq is gone. Donut. Zero and he never will. Kobe does nothing to make the players around him better like Jordan did. Scottie Pippen wouldn't have been half the player he was without Mike. And remember, the Bulls really didn't have a top notch center. Luc Longley, Bill Cartwright. Please!

Cant argue with ignorance, If you think D wayne is better than kobe you are smoking that good shit, common what has he done in the nba, nothing. Dude dont ever say that again. :helpme :helpme

Your right about the center position but dont forget about rodman, one of the strongest rebounders in the game ever.

No one compares to Jordan and no one ever will. But no one will ever be the next Magic, or Bird, or Dr. J or Chamberlin, but Lebron will be classified as one of the best with all those top names.

The thing about Lebron is that he has a lot of talents. He is kinda a combination of a lot of good players. Thats what makes him no unique. Top scorer, rebounder, crazy vision and assists, 3 point threat, and most important, he knows how to get the other players on his team involved.

Right now, Lebron is the BEST over all player in the league ..... there is no doubt about it.

let's don't forget also that Kobe is pussy wipped and a someones bitch

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/maga...yant_press.jpg

just throwing that in the mix too