The Reason I Won't Go To A Webmaster Dinner That Is Thrown Together Last Minute - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

woj · 11-30-2005, 12:39 AM

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sixxxthsense · 11-30-2005, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

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i just wanted to see if it was you

GTS Mark · 11-30-2005, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

dude - i ended up at a last min thing once - not to say where or when or who was there but it was industry - the bill came - $2200 - I said ok, i'll pay it. some friends - good ones, not rich but good ones said - no way - everyone chips in - they chipped in their share - probally more - but the total i got in cash when I counted it was $550. I paid the rest - that was the worst - NO ONE KNEW i plaid that - didn't even get the credit of sponsering the fucking thing - I just got stuck with the fucking BILL

I have never had Steak AND Lobster together.

Thanks Scott! LOL!

Love,
DH

bdld · 11-30-2005, 12:40 AM

what a bunch of cheap ass bastards.

GTS Mark · 11-30-2005, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Odie

awww thanks Mark!!! I love setting things up for ppl to get together!! I just gotta learn to get those fockers to start sending traffic my way after they converge on one of "my dinners"

What you have to do is grab everyone's credit card on the way in the door just in case LOL! ;)

DH

Biggy2 · 11-30-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lensman

DH is right, but it's even deeper. Webmasters expect things for free. The reason there aren't more parties in the biz is that webmasters expect free cocktails all night long. I don't think I can count 20 current companies that have supplied open bar for a large group. And when you do it, do they reward you with traffic?

I remember Miami, 2 years ago when Giga threw that party at I think it was Mansion. I couldn't believe how many people were complaining about how they actually had to pay for drinks at the club, and that drinks were $10-$12. I'm thinking.. 'welcome to the real word, where you have to pay for alcohol." Back then it showed the mindset how everyone thinks everything is free and comes easy.

I'm surprised you didn't make Magnus wash dishes.

TINSTAAFL

Eric · 11-30-2005, 01:05 AM

This is the sad state of affairs that this side of the industry has come to. A couple years back we did both Internext and AEE in Vegas. I was pleasantly surprised to see how the video side of things handles these type of situations. There are dinners every night. But if you are not the elite of the elite you are blown off and they really don't give a shit.

I see it at every show that exists now days though. I hear people talking about going to this dinner or that dinner, and I laugh cause I know some of them don't do a lick of business with the sponsor or organizer of that dinner, and they are just going for the free food and drinks.

This was actually a large concern of mine when Odie asked if she should set up a dinner for Friday night.

I have come up with the idea that whoever comes to dinner on Friday night will be well aware that it is not a sponsored dinner and they are responsible for their own bill. If anyone decides to skip out or leave someone else with the bill they will NOT get into the party on Sat night. I will have no problem yanking their name off the list for Sat night.

Harsh? Maybe... But then again so is freeloading.

SleazyDream · 11-30-2005, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes

This is the sad state of affairs that this side of the industry has come to. A couple years back we did both Internext and AEE in Vegas. I was pleasantly surprised to see how the video side of things handles these type of situations. There are dinners every night. But if you are not the elite of the elite you are blown off and they really don't give a shit.

I see it at every show that exists now days though. I hear people talking about going to this dinner or that dinner, and I laugh cause I know some of them don't do a lick of business with the sponsor or organizer of that dinner, and they are just going for the free food and drinks.

This was actually a large concern of mine when Odie asked if she should set up a dinner for Friday night.

I have come up with the idea that whoever comes to dinner on Friday night will be well aware that it is not a sponsored dinner and they are responsible for their own bill. If anyone decides to skip out or leave someone else with the bill they will NOT get into the party on Sat night. I will have no problem yanking their name off the list for Sat night.

Harsh? Maybe... But then again so is freeloading.

i LIKE harsh - good idea - but you should also bann them from gfy too

JFK · 11-30-2005, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes

This is the sad state of affairs that this side of the industry has come to. A couple years back we did both Internext and AEE in Vegas. I was pleasantly surprised to see how the video side of things handles these type of situations. There are dinners every night. But if you are not the elite of the elite you are blown off and they really don't give a shit.

I see it at every show that exists now days though. I hear people talking about going to this dinner or that dinner, and I laugh cause I know some of them don't do a lick of business with the sponsor or organizer of that dinner, and they are just going for the free food and drinks.

This was actually a large concern of mine when Odie asked if she should set up a dinner for Friday night.

I have come up with the idea that whoever comes to dinner on Friday night will be well aware that it is not a sponsored dinner and they are responsible for their own bill. If anyone decides to skip out or leave someone else with the bill they will NOT get into the party on Sat night. I will have no problem yanking their name off the list for Sat night.

Harsh? Maybe... But then again so is freeloading.

Nice Move Eric

Eric · 11-30-2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

i LIKE harsh - good idea - but you should also bann them from gfy too

We could go that far. We will have to see how much they decide to pay to get into the party and if that makes up for their bill Friday night

Eric · 11-30-2005, 01:14 AM

The real trick here is that it isn't even so much the food as it is the drinks. I mean I have seen people order shot after shot after shot or even tons of them for several people knowing they are not paying the bill.

GTS Mark · 11-30-2005, 01:16 AM

I'd like to thanks PLAYBOY/ADULT.COM for stepping up to bat and sponsoring the webmaster dinner upcoming at the Sushi Place. When times were tough I knew you guys would come thru!!!!

Open menu and open bar guys! Woohoo!

Wow Eric you and Joe are a bunch of great guys! We sure do appreciate it! LMFAO!!!

DH

Eric · 11-30-2005, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDER

I'd like to thanks PLAYBOY/ADULT.COM for stepping up to bat and sponsoring the webmaster dinner upcoming at the Sushi Place. When times were tough I knew you guys would come thru!!!!

Open menu and open bar guys! Woohoo!

Wow Eric you and Joe are a bunch of great guys! We sure do appreciate it! LMFAO!!!

DH

I always knew that money you made from pimping the Mansion party would pay us back. Thank you DH for Letting us be the sponsors and paying the bill. Talk about a class act!

JFK · 11-30-2005, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes

I always knew that money you made from pimping the Mansion party would pay us back. Thank you DH for Letting us be the sponsors and paying the bill. Talk about a class act!

RonUSMC · 11-30-2005, 02:23 AM

Ok, so nothing but ass kissing now... Ill move on.

JFK · 11-30-2005, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RonUSMC

Ok, so nothing but ass kissing now... Ill move on.

no stand in line, I know you want to sneak up to the front

kaori · 11-30-2005, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Give him a break, we're too nice for that in Canada.

not here in Quebec

It's standard for waiter/esses to ask if you want seperate cheques!

Toolz · 11-30-2005, 07:37 AM

LOL this thread is great on so many levels.

Hey WG remember the Rainbow Room in LA couple years back with Grim Shawn, what I thought was ironic was the amount of booze this fucker ordered and clearly wasn't paying for. Timbo picked that up that night however that shit wasn't sponsored just someone sticking the bill, don't get me wrong WG you're welcome to drink on my tab anytime it's the idiots that show up I hardly know, order 20 shots of Jaeger and try and pull that shit.

NEVER get a tab at a strip club, I think this goes without saying, no matter who I'm with we always pay by the round at Cheetah's etc, alternate rounds etc because at $80-100 a round for 6-8 people that'd be one massive tab.

Peaches · 11-30-2005, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Toolz

it's the idiots that show up I hardly know, order 20 shots of Jaeger and try and pull that shit.

Sorry, I was just trying to get wasted so someone would take advantage of me

High Quality · 11-30-2005, 07:53 AM

Damn that is some fucked up shit right there.

Toolz · 11-30-2005, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Sorry, I was just trying to get wasted so someone would take advantage of me

I'm like Brad I'll buy for my friends or people doing biz with any day, if you just showed up I got no clue who the fuck you are, chances are, you better pull out your wallet or some skin. Gas, grass, or ass no one rides for free!

Phoenix · 11-30-2005, 07:57 AM

back to the top...see everyone friday night

bring your money

Kimmykim · 11-30-2005, 07:59 AM

It is a pretty sad state of affairs sometimes... If I'm at a pay your own way dinner, I pretty generally toss in a hundred a head for myself and anyone who's with me, unless we're somewhere that doesn't serve alcohol. Lunch I figure 50 a head.

Interestingly enough, I think it's more who you're with than just being a bunch of deadbeats in the industry. A couple of years ago, on the completely non-sponsored Vancouver weekend, we never had a problem with anyone trying to skip out on paying a tab, hell, we had more people trying to pay for things than we had bills to pay. And what a fun weekend we had.

Paul Markham · 11-30-2005, 08:03 AM

In an industry that revolves around getting things for free I can't say I'm that surprised.

Juicy D. Links · 11-30-2005, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes

This is the sad state of affairs that this side of the industry has come to. A couple years back we did both Internext and AEE in Vegas. I was pleasantly surprised to see how the video side of things handles these type of situations. There are dinners every night. But if you are not the elite of the elite you are blown off and they really don't give a shit.

I see it at every show that exists now days though. I hear people talking about going to this dinner or that dinner, and I laugh cause I know some of them don't do a lick of business with the sponsor or organizer of that dinner, and they are just going for the free food and drinks.

This was actually a large concern of mine when Odie asked if she should set up a dinner for Friday night.

I have come up with the idea that whoever comes to dinner on Friday night will be well aware that it is not a sponsored dinner and they are responsible for their own bill. If anyone decides to skip out or leave someone else with the bill they will NOT get into the party on Sat night. I will have no problem yanking their name off the list for Sat night.

Harsh? Maybe... But then again so is freeloading.

Thats good idea.

I think that upon entry evryone should throw in money into a pot per se.

So the situation does not happen.

Juicy D. Links · 11-30-2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Toolz

NEVER get a tab at a strip club,

These are words to live by

Juicy D. Links · 11-30-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes

This is the sad state of affairs that this side of the industry has come to. A couple years back we did both Internext and AEE in Vegas. I was pleasantly surprised to see how the video side of things handles these type of situations. There are dinners every night. But if you are not the elite of the elite you are blown off and they really don't give a shit.

I see it at every show that exists now days though. I hear people talking about going to this dinner or that dinner, and I laugh cause I know some of them don't do a lick of business with the sponsor or organizer of that dinner, and they are just going for the free food and drinks.

This was actually a large concern of mine when Odie asked if she should set up a dinner for Friday night.

I have come up with the idea that whoever comes to dinner on Friday night will be well aware that it is not a sponsored dinner and they are responsible for their own bill. If anyone decides to skip out or leave someone else with the bill they will NOT get into the party on Sat night. I will have no problem yanking their name off the list for Sat night.

Harsh? Maybe... But then again so is freeloading.

Eric the chocoloate covered stawberries and champagne in my room are on me no worries.

Cory W · 11-30-2005, 08:17 AM

These days, you have to be very careful with words when planning a non-sponsored event. You have to use the term "meeting up" just for starters.

But you can't beat the system no matter how hard you try. Anyone with any kind of a name on GFY does not expect to pay a dime, anywhere. But many sponsors are just as guilty of fueling the fire, I have done "personal" business with a number of people; however, when they have a dinner, I will be damned if I make the list which is fine (I was certainly never huge) but look around and every time the usual poster crowd will be there.

Weg gets left off dinner list all the time, and Weg is actually huge.

I know I sound like a jerk for saying it, but it is the truth. The same people get invited to the same dinners every year and usually between 9 or 10 of them, they couldn't make you a buck panhandling the Vegas strip for 8 hours. All they must get out of it is a post on GFY with pictures. But hey, to each their own. Eric, you are right about this industry being a lot different....I am still very maladjusted.

Believe it or not, whenever I have a Weg dinner, ONLY affiliates go. Also, I always try to send out a mail list or make a post to illicit responses from our affiliates. I leave my friends off those dinner list.

When out buying drinks, you have to at least be able to send signups. Or something. There at least has to be the potential for business.

Cory W · 11-30-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Eric the chocoloate covered stawberries and champagne in my room are on me no worries.

Did you get the word on my NYC visit in a few weeks?

Juicy D. Links · 11-30-2005, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Did you get the word on my NYC visit in a few weeks?

No I didnt yo tell me details.

Cory W · 11-30-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

No I didnt yo tell me details.

Dec 16, Friday.

Clear your calendar and polish your manpurse.

Phoenix · 11-30-2005, 08:23 AM

what time doe people get in on friday....i got to plan my day ...ya know

Juicy D. Links · 11-30-2005, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Dec 16, Friday.

Clear your calendar and polish your manpurse.

We should sponsor a http://gayoutsourcing.com/ dinner

Juicy D. Links · 11-30-2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

what time doe people get in on friday....i got to plan my day ...ya know

5 pm or so i think i get in yo

Cory W · 11-30-2005, 08:27 AM

I think I am going to bring that shirt.

FUCK J0EL · 11-30-2005, 08:38 AM

So I'm taking DH off my dinner list, now that I know he won't pay dinner anymore !!

Phoenix · 11-30-2005, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

5 pm or so i think i get in yo

you guys coulda organised your flights fuckers..lol

ElvisManson · 11-30-2005, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDER

I have never had Steak AND Lobster together.

Thanks Scott! LOL!

Love,
DH

I only stiff Cameron for Dinner bills. And then only if it is a Valentines day weekend and we are ordering saki bombs for all of the couples in the place.

Techie Media · 11-30-2005, 08:53 AM

The same thing happens to me at every show. Also the amount of open bar tabs I've been stuck with is unreal

Last Internext in Florida I had an open tab at the pool bar and was buying drinks for a few hours for lots of people, well after awhile I had to take off for a meeting so I settled up with the tab and then left, well I came to find out later that even after I left a few people (who I will not mention) kept on drinking and even ordered some food and put it all on my tab........hahaha

Peaches · 11-30-2005, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Weg gets left off dinner list all the time, and Weg is actually huge.

Hehehe - I remember one year we gave quite a lot of money to a certain program/sponsor/person/whatever yet got left off a 200+ guest list where I doubt half of the people had spent 1/10 of what we spent. We stopped spending

Nikki_Licks · 11-30-2005, 09:11 AM

I have learned real fast about cheap fucks. The people I dont like are the ones that show up at a dinner,lunch or whatever and eat a NY steak while I had chicken and want to divide the bill by the number of people at the table!!! Why should I pay for some fucking tight fuck that wanted to eat steak and pay the price of a hamburger???

The 2004 Phoenix forum was one that I almost popped a cork at. We arrived at the show early. I was saying hello to people and out of the blue this person latched on to us and wouldnt go away. We had coffee, drinks and all the goodies and this cheap fuck never pulled out his wallet, oh wait he did put down a quarter for a tip for the waitress so we took care of the tip and the bill. This person was always looking for whatever was free...from food to liquor.The second day came and there he was and he came right over to our table and sat down [un invited]. I couldnt take another day of this guy so I let AaronM excuise him from our table.....he never returned again...I think he got the point.

When ever an event is sponsored by a particular company, I always make it a point to thank them for being a sponsor and let them know we really appreciated it. We dont go to shows to see what I can get for free and we always make sure we have cash on hand to pay our way.
We attend shows to meet people....

...Not to mooch!!!

scoreman · 11-30-2005, 09:38 AM

That sucks DH.

Just so its known, DH is very generous and I have no doubt he has paid many a dinner tab when the bill came due. A few years back Mark and Sarah came to a non sponsored dinner at the end of the Florida Internext. The bill was close to 2k and everyone was pitching in. Mark asked to pay for the entire bill and we asked him not to do that, as we were all friends there and no one was looking for a free ride. The gesture was appreciated though

ronaldo · 11-30-2005, 09:50 AM

All I'm going to say on this matter is not ALL "Just sales reps" are leeches.

I consider myself more generous than most and make a point of either paying my own way, or at least OFFERING to pay my own way. When we're buying rounds, I'm usually one of the first couple that buys a round...even if the round costs $90 and the waitress doesn't bring ME a drink...bitch.

The best incident I can recall is at a jam packed Solid Gold a couple of years ago in Florida with an open bar. The waitressess couldn't get around very well, so I'd just go up to the bar and get them myself. Well, I tipped the bartender $20 to start the night and then tipped $5-10 for a round of 2-4 drinks for the rest of the night. At one point I said to the bartender, "You must be making some nice money tonight."

She laughed and said, "Do you realize every time you come up here, you don't have to wait at all?" I told her I did, but just figured it was coincidence because of where I was standing. She said, "No, you're one of only about 3 people tipping us."

The place was packed, but it wasn't just sales reps. There were a lot of "Big players" around that night too.

Then there was the FTVCash/Dormbucks hospitality suite this year. I was hanging out with a few people and spoke to Brett personally. I thanked him and told him I'd like to give him something for the drinks, because I DON'T send HIM any business...but I DO to FTVCash (which is why I was there). He insisted not. Well instead of just putting the money back in my pocket, the tip jar was there so I dropped a couple of 20's on top of about 10 one dollar bills.

I'm sure I'm not the only sales rep that knows how to behave in a public setting, so please don't assume we're all the same.

I've learned over time that not everything in this industry is as it seems.

Toolz · 11-30-2005, 10:04 AM

Good points Ron,

On a free open bar you should be tipping MINIMALLY $2 a drink, however like you I see this shit happen all the time no tips whatsoever. If you don't feel like dropping the money per drink drop a $20 at the beginning of the evening your service will be exponentially better. I'm sure Sleazy can attest to this, I think he tipped $100 at the begining of a night in Santa Monica at an open bar and I believe this was the evening he had to be carried home ;)

You get what you pay for, quite a bit of this is the program operator's fault too, don't send your salespeople out with no cash in their wallet, if they're gonna be in situations where they should be picking up drinks or a dinner, or at least paying their own share make sure they can cover it.

Magnus · 11-30-2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

why not just say separate checks the moment you sit down. Saves you grief.

You shoudl'nt have to say that..when the bill comes everyone should be reaching in thier pockets with good intentions.

Unless your Derek and he has the pleasure of traveling with Dh and myself, make him change seats with us and other passengers on the plane so we can fly in comfort, then we show up in LA with no cash, the cab does'nt take credit cards and he has to pay the $70.00 cab ride. We did'nt thank him or nothin, we just said Derek pay the man LOL j/k

Thanks D!!!

Bugbee · 11-30-2005, 10:22 AM

This is a great thread! I almost hit reply to thread like 20 times but wanted to get thru the whole thread. This happens all the time and is really very sad that people cant conduct themselves like humans. I love the deadbeat list that is perfect I can easily produce 10-20 names for that.

People no one owes you a fucking thing no matter who you are or you think you are, appriciate what people do for you recipricate it once and a while and lastly stop fucking expecting it!

BTW Juicy you still owe me a few hundred bucks from Scores lol!!

oh yah Alligator Arms is my FAVORITE!!! I got it I got it oh you got it great thanks LMFAO

TDF · 11-30-2005, 10:24 AM

the least these leeches can do is send traffic back to said program

Wiggles · 11-30-2005, 10:30 AM

that sucks man, lots of bums in this biz it seems.

GTS Mark · 11-30-2005, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by scoreman

That sucks DH.

Just so its known, DH is very generous and I have no doubt he has paid many a dinner tab when the bill came due. A few years back Mark and Sarah came to a non sponsored dinner at the end of the Florida Internext. The bill was close to 2k and everyone was pitching in. Mark asked to pay for the entire bill and we asked him not to do that, as we were all friends there and no one was looking for a free ride. The gesture was appreciated though

LOL! It was a fun dinner and it was great meeting you and your lovely lady

DH

Maxy · 11-30-2005, 10:53 AM

lol @ the dutch

11-30-2005, 12:39 AM	#101
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Eric Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Helm! Posts: 8,818	This is the sad state of affairs that this side of the industry has come to. A couple years back we did both Internext and AEE in Vegas. I was pleasantly surprised to see how the video side of things handles these type of situations. There are dinners every night. But if you are not the elite of the elite you are blown off and they really don't give a shit. I see it at every show that exists now days though. I hear people talking about going to this dinner or that dinner, and I laugh cause I know some of them don't do a lick of business with the sponsor or organizer of that dinner, and they are just going for the free food and drinks. This was actually a large concern of mine when Odie asked if she should set up a dinner for Friday night. I have come up with the idea that whoever comes to dinner on Friday night will be well aware that it is not a sponsored dinner and they are responsible for their own bill. If anyone decides to skip out or leave someone else with the bill they will NOT get into the party on Sat night. I will have no problem yanking their name off the list for Sat night. Harsh? Maybe... But then again so is freeloading. __________________ No One

11-30-2005, 01:14 AM	#111
Eric Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Helm! Posts: 8,818	The real trick here is that it isn't even so much the food as it is the drinks. I mean I have seen people order shot after shot after shot or even tons of them for several people knowing they are not paying the bill. __________________ No One

11-30-2005, 01:16 AM	#112
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	I'd like to thanks PLAYBOY/ADULT.COM for stepping up to bat and sponsoring the webmaster dinner upcoming at the Sushi Place. When times were tough I knew you guys would come thru!!!! Open menu and open bar guys! Woohoo! Wow Eric you and Joe are a bunch of great guys! We sure do appreciate it! LMFAO!!! DH Last edited by GTS Mark; 11-30-2005 at 01:18 AM..

11-30-2005, 02:23 AM	#115
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11-30-2005, 12:40 AM	#104
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	what a bunch of cheap ass bastards.

11-30-2005, 07:37 AM	#118
Toolz Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Podunk Posts: 690	LOL this thread is great on so many levels. Hey WG remember the Rainbow Room in LA couple years back with Grim Shawn, what I thought was ironic was the amount of booze this fucker ordered and clearly wasn't paying for. Timbo picked that up that night however that shit wasn't sponsored just someone sticking the bill, don't get me wrong WG you're welcome to drink on my tab anytime it's the idiots that show up I hardly know, order 20 shots of Jaeger and try and pull that shit. NEVER get a tab at a strip club, I think this goes without saying, no matter who I'm with we always pay by the round at Cheetah's etc, alternate rounds etc because at $80-100 a round for 6-8 people that'd be one massive tab.

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11-30-2005, 07:57 AM	#122
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11-30-2005, 07:59 AM	#123
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	It is a pretty sad state of affairs sometimes... If I'm at a pay your own way dinner, I pretty generally toss in a hundred a head for myself and anyone who's with me, unless we're somewhere that doesn't serve alcohol. Lunch I figure 50 a head. Interestingly enough, I think it's more who you're with than just being a bunch of deadbeats in the industry. A couple of years ago, on the completely non-sponsored Vancouver weekend, we never had a problem with anyone trying to skip out on paying a tab, hell, we had more people trying to pay for things than we had bills to pay. And what a fun weekend we had.

11-30-2005, 08:03 AM	#124
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	In an industry that revolves around getting things for free I can't say I'm that surprised. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

11-30-2005, 08:17 AM	#128
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	These days, you have to be very careful with words when planning a non-sponsored event. You have to use the term "meeting up" just for starters. But you can't beat the system no matter how hard you try. Anyone with any kind of a name on GFY does not expect to pay a dime, anywhere. But many sponsors are just as guilty of fueling the fire, I have done "personal" business with a number of people; however, when they have a dinner, I will be damned if I make the list which is fine (I was certainly never huge) but look around and every time the usual poster crowd will be there. Weg gets left off dinner list all the time, and Weg is actually huge. I know I sound like a jerk for saying it, but it is the truth. The same people get invited to the same dinners every year and usually between 9 or 10 of them, they couldn't make you a buck panhandling the Vegas strip for 8 hours. All they must get out of it is a post on GFY with pictures. But hey, to each their own. Eric, you are right about this industry being a lot different....I am still very maladjusted. Believe it or not, whenever I have a Weg dinner, ONLY affiliates go. Also, I always try to send out a mail list or make a post to illicit responses from our affiliates. I leave my friends off those dinner list. When out buying drinks, you have to at least be able to send signups. Or something. There at least has to be the potential for business. __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

11-30-2005, 08:23 AM	#132
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,462	what time doe people get in on friday....i got to plan my day ...ya know __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

11-30-2005, 08:27 AM	#135
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	I think I am going to bring that shirt. __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

11-30-2005, 08:38 AM	#136
FUCK J0EL Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,899	So I'm taking DH off my dinner list, now that I know he won't pay dinner anymore !! __________________ Joel Drapeau Dir Biz Dev Skype : gamma_joel Gamma Entertainment Home of top programs: FameDollars, BuddyProfits, and, AND NOW ADDING TO THE FAMILY ChaosMen EuroRevenues and AzianiGold

11-30-2005, 08:53 AM	#139
Techie Media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,092	The same thing happens to me at every show. Also the amount of open bar tabs I've been stuck with is unreal Last Internext in Florida I had an open tab at the pool bar and was buying drinks for a few hours for lots of people, well after awhile I had to take off for a meeting so I settled up with the tab and then left, well I came to find out later that even after I left a few people (who I will not mention) kept on drinking and even ordered some food and put it all on my tab........hahaha __________________ sales [AT] techiemedia.com

11-30-2005, 09:11 AM	#141
Nikki_Licks Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 6,323	I have learned real fast about cheap fucks. The people I dont like are the ones that show up at a dinner,lunch or whatever and eat a NY steak while I had chicken and want to divide the bill by the number of people at the table!!! Why should I pay for some fucking tight fuck that wanted to eat steak and pay the price of a hamburger??? The 2004 Phoenix forum was one that I almost popped a cork at. We arrived at the show early. I was saying hello to people and out of the blue this person latched on to us and wouldnt go away. We had coffee, drinks and all the goodies and this cheap fuck never pulled out his wallet, oh wait he did put down a quarter for a tip for the waitress so we took care of the tip and the bill. This person was always looking for whatever was free...from food to liquor.The second day came and there he was and he came right over to our table and sat down [un invited]. I couldnt take another day of this guy so I let AaronM excuise him from our table.....he never returned again...I think he got the point. When ever an event is sponsored by a particular company, I always make it a point to thank them for being a sponsor and let them know we really appreciated it. We dont go to shows to see what I can get for free and we always make sure we have cash on hand to pay our way. We attend shows to meet people.... ...Not to mooch!!! __________________ Amateur Content ICQ: 292 356 077

11-30-2005, 09:38 AM	#142
scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	That sucks DH. Just so its known, DH is very generous and I have no doubt he has paid many a dinner tab when the bill came due. A few years back Mark and Sarah came to a non sponsored dinner at the end of the Florida Internext. The bill was close to 2k and everyone was pitching in. Mark asked to pay for the entire bill and we asked him not to do that, as we were all friends there and no one was looking for a free ride. The gesture was appreciated though __________________

11-30-2005, 09:50 AM	#143
ronaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ#: 272000271 Posts: 5,475	All I'm going to say on this matter is not ALL "Just sales reps" are leeches. I consider myself more generous than most and make a point of either paying my own way, or at least OFFERING to pay my own way. When we're buying rounds, I'm usually one of the first couple that buys a round...even if the round costs $90 and the waitress doesn't bring ME a drink...bitch. The best incident I can recall is at a jam packed Solid Gold a couple of years ago in Florida with an open bar. The waitressess couldn't get around very well, so I'd just go up to the bar and get them myself. Well, I tipped the bartender $20 to start the night and then tipped $5-10 for a round of 2-4 drinks for the rest of the night. At one point I said to the bartender, "You must be making some nice money tonight." She laughed and said, "Do you realize every time you come up here, you don't have to wait at all?" I told her I did, but just figured it was coincidence because of where I was standing. She said, "No, you're one of only about 3 people tipping us." The place was packed, but it wasn't just sales reps. There were a lot of "Big players" around that night too. Then there was the FTVCash/Dormbucks hospitality suite this year. I was hanging out with a few people and spoke to Brett personally. I thanked him and told him I'd like to give him something for the drinks, because I DON'T send HIM any business...but I DO to FTVCash (which is why I was there). He insisted not. Well instead of just putting the money back in my pocket, the tip jar was there so I dropped a couple of 20's on top of about 10 one dollar bills. I'm sure I'm not the only sales rep that knows how to behave in a public setting, so please don't assume we're all the same. I've learned over time that not everything in this industry is as it seems.

11-30-2005, 10:04 AM	#144
Toolz Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Podunk Posts: 690	Good points Ron, On a free open bar you should be tipping MINIMALLY $2 a drink, however like you I see this shit happen all the time no tips whatsoever. If you don't feel like dropping the money per drink drop a $20 at the beginning of the evening your service will be exponentially better. I'm sure Sleazy can attest to this, I think he tipped $100 at the begining of a night in Santa Monica at an open bar and I believe this was the evening he had to be carried home ;) You get what you pay for, quite a bit of this is the program operator's fault too, don't send your salespeople out with no cash in their wallet, if they're gonna be in situations where they should be picking up drinks or a dinner, or at least paying their own share make sure they can cover it.

11-30-2005, 10:22 AM	#146
Bugbee Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Your moms house Posts: 4,609	This is a great thread! I almost hit reply to thread like 20 times but wanted to get thru the whole thread. This happens all the time and is really very sad that people cant conduct themselves like humans. I love the deadbeat list that is perfect I can easily produce 10-20 names for that. People no one owes you a fucking thing no matter who you are or you think you are, appriciate what people do for you recipricate it once and a while and lastly stop fucking expecting it! BTW Juicy you still owe me a few hundred bucks from Scores lol!! oh yah Alligator Arms is my FAVORITE!!! I got it I got it oh you got it great thanks LMFAO __________________ Stephen Bugbee www.x2k.com ICQ# FUCK ICQ bugbee AT x2k dot com X2K consulting and media services - specializing in business development, technology and profitability of your new or existing products and services X2K MEDIA SUITE Need a high risk merchant account? Contact me.. Are you a donor? Have a heart and help someone in need. Go to the DMV and be sure you are a donor, it saves lives!!!! Last edited by Bugbee; 11-30-2005 at 10:23 AM..

11-30-2005, 10:24 AM	#147
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	the least these leeches can do is send traffic back to said program __________________ Sig heil

11-30-2005, 10:30 AM	#148
Wiggles Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 14,423	that sucks man, lots of bums in this biz it seems. __________________ no sig

11-30-2005, 10:53 AM	#150
Maxy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 1,858	lol @ the dutch __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.