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Anyone that STILL supports Bush is basically like a Holocaust denier - there's no point in talking to them. All you can do is take them out to the back yard and shoot them.
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the second time it was disputed and there was widespread election fraud. don't blame this on the people of the US... plenty of them voted for Bush, but the majority did not the United Nations even wanted to send in a team to inspect the elections process in the US because of the fraud and were not permitted to do so |
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You proudly support the despot of the coup d'etat of your government?
It always strikes me as strange that on every public forum in the WORLD (fark, gfy etc and so on) people are about 150-1 against Bush and everything he does, yet somehow he won the election. Coincidentally the owner of Diebold is a rabid republican. I think the dems were spineless, if they had kept at it they would have uncovered massive fraud. The elections were stolen. He is not our legitimate President. |
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But would not that have happened after Hussein died, or was overthrown from within? A stable dictatorship offers the advantage of order, and relative peace for those who are not political. The US government has had a policy of embracing stable dictatorships who are friendly to US interests. Iraq, the Shiites, the Sunis, the Kurds, have no history of democracy. It will not be imposed on them, and certainly not by a western, imperialist, militaristic nation. The pro-democracy puppets that we see on TV are manuovering for position to gain power and the spoils of corruption. There will be a civil war in Iraq. It is only a question of when. Peace might be obtained if Iraq divides into three countries, divided by their tribalism. But the oil wealth would be sadly imbalanced, and that would keep civil war alive. And US oil interests would not be served, and the Haliburton bills must be paid. |
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The American people have been abandoned by their press corps. |
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The decision to start the war was made on the wrong grounds, and on exaggerating clues (and thereby turning suspicions into "evidence" where there was none). Most people now agree on that. However, leaving now, while the Iraqi government isn't strong enough yet to protect its citizens and itself, would be disastrous. At this point, the only right thing for the Americans would be to stay the distance. Yes, staying will fuel resentment, but so would leaving ("They invaded, then left us in ruins"). Aside from that, because the invasion has very successfully created the ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda that weren't there before (d'oh!), leaving now would count as a victory for Al Qaeda, the insurgents and Islamic fundamentalism as a whole. The only sensible thing to do right now is to aid the Iraqi government in any possible way, provide them with much-needed military support and force them to pay attention to the interests of the Sunni minority as well as to the Kurds and the Shia. Only a fair, democratic Iraq will lessen support for fundamentalist terrorism in Iraq now. Any failure to achieve that will result in even more chaos and destruction, and will ultimately lead to a strong increase in support for terrorism. |
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Remember, people intellectually unable to operate computers may still vote in presidential elections. |
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