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pornguy 11-29-2005 05:47 PM

there is nothing that he can say to get me to support his war.

But have any of you asked your selves why he is trying to get support for his war?? He only has 2 years left in office.

Michaelious 11-29-2005 05:49 PM

roll over and die!

theking 11-29-2005 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shermsshack
It would change my mind about Bush. Relax... this thread wasn't put up for serious political debate. We all know that you and Bush have chemistry, and that's cool. We support that more than we do the war.

Then you "all" are mistaken. I am not a fan of President Bush nor 99% of his policies...domestic and foreign. I did not vote for President Bush in either election.

theking 11-29-2005 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy
there is nothing that he can say to get me to support his war.

But have any of you asked your selves why he is trying to get support for his war?? He only has 2 years left in office.

Try three years left...and because support among the American people for the "war" is taking a nose dive.

sacX 11-29-2005 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
As is every major intelligence agency in the world as they all conccured...with US intelligence...as did the UN.

The UN didn't concur with that intelligence.. When Colin Powell presented the BEST US evidence to the UN, Mohammed Al Baradei said many of the claims were unlikely, and the weapons inspectors who were actually on the ground in Iraq couldn't find any evidence of WMD

JamesK2 11-29-2005 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyFingaz
that if he resigns immediately the seat of president

:thumbsup :thumbsup

theking 11-29-2005 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sacX
The UN didn't concur with that intelligence.. When Colin Powell presented the BEST US evidence to the UN, Mohammed Al Baradei said many of the claims were unlikely, and the weapons inspectors who were actually on the ground in Iraq couldn't find any evidence of WMD

The UN did concur that Iraq either possessed and/or was attempting to acquire WMD's/materials...as is reflected in the 17 or so resolutions passed (up to and including 1541) since the '91 Gulf "war".

theking 11-29-2005 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sacX
The UN didn't concur with that intelligence.. When Colin Powell presented the BEST US evidence to the UN, Mohammed Al Baradei said many of the claims were unlikely, and the weapons inspectors who were actually on the ground in Iraq couldn't find any evidence of WMD

In addition the UN inspectors that went in after 1541...also stated that they could not find any proof that Iraq had destroyed the remaining 5% of the WMD's/materials that he still possessed after the UN inspectors withdrew in '98...other than Iraq's assertion that they in fact had been destroyed.

directfiesta 11-29-2005 07:03 PM

Ex-Powell aide rips Bush on Iraq, detainees

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On Iraq, Wilkerson said Powell may have had doubts about the extent of the threat posed by Saddam Hussein but was convinced by then-CIA Director George Tenet and others that the intelligence behind the push toward war was sound.

Wilkerson said the CIA and other agencies allowed mishandled and bogus information to underpin that speech and the administration case for war.

He said he has almost, but not quite, concluded that Cheney and others in the administration deliberately ignored evidence of bad intelligence and looked only at what supported their case for war.
If you support this war, then you might as well say you supported Adolph Hitler ... or would of if you were of age.

The question will be, after you leave Iraq, how much $$$ will you have to pay for war compensation....

hydro 11-29-2005 07:06 PM

he can't change my mind but at least he could admit it was a fuck up.

dig420 11-29-2005 07:18 PM

edit:

Fifty moronic Maine rich boys in cowboy hats!

mardigras 11-29-2005 07:18 PM

50 unchanged minds:)

dig420 11-29-2005 07:20 PM

"I started this war to distract the gullible while I looted the economy on behalf of my friends at Halliburton and Standard Oil. I knew conservatives would swallow anything if you wrapped it in a flag and served it with a bible. Hell they voted for me, didn't they? It's not like I'm qualified.

My recent physical beating at the hands of John McCain have made me realize however, that people who are not fabulously wealthy at birth are still people nevertheless, and deserve to be treated with fairness and dignity. Although I started this war for purely propagandistic purposes, I will endeavor from now on to bring it to an end in a way that will not result in either a bloody civil war or a militant theocratic government in Iraq."

dig420 11-29-2005 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
Try three years left...and because support among the American people for the "war" is taking a nose dive.

god would you just SHUT THE FUCK UP you beer swilling retard?

You're too goddam dumb to even KNOW you're dumb, so please quit posting. It's very frustrating to watch.

sacX 11-29-2005 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
In addition the UN inspectors that went in after 1541...also stated that they could not find any proof that Iraq had destroyed the remaining 5% of the WMD's/materials that he still possessed after the UN inspectors withdrew in '98...other than Iraq's assertion that they in fact had been destroyed.


The UN inspectors were not given time to finish their brief. The WMD case was an example of faith, the US admin thought Saddam had weapons but didn't have the evidence.

Why they didn't let the UN inspectors finish is speculation, a cynic might suggest it is because they knew they wouldn't find anything, or perhaps they just wanted to invade before Iraq go too hot. I can't think of a 'good' reason for hastening the invasion.

theking 11-29-2005 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420
god would you just SHUT THE FUCK UP you beer swilling retard?

You're too goddam dumb to even KNOW you're dumb, so please quit posting. It's very frustrating to watch.

I do as I choose...not as some drugged out ultra liberal hippy freak would have me do. Have another toke...Danny boy...I have heard that it is supposed to have a calming affect. Maybe you better watch out on the munchies though...as the last picture I saw of you...you were somewhat of a fatass.

theking 11-29-2005 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sacX
The UN inspectors were not given time to finish their brief. The WMD case was an example of faith, the US admin thought Saddam had weapons but didn't have the evidence.

Why they didn't let the UN inspectors finish is speculation, a cynic might suggest it is because they knew they wouldn't find anything, or perhaps they just wanted to invade before Iraq go too hot. I can't think of a 'good' reason for hastening the invasion.

They had our military poised and could not wait for the sand storm season as well as the heat. As it turned out they actually waited to long into the season and did encounter the sand storms (which I was critical of the delay at the time that the delay was taking place). I have been there and know what the sand storms are like as well as the heat.

theking 11-29-2005 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
Ex-Powell aide rips Bush on Iraq, detainees



If you support this war, then you might as well say you supported Adolph Hitler ... or would of if you were of age.

The question will be, after you leave Iraq, how much $$$ will you have to pay for war compensation....

You are related to Saddam...aren't you?

pornguy 11-29-2005 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
Try three years left...and because support among the American people for the "war" is taking a nose dive.

He does not need support. He has the declaration of war, and unless they set up a vote to stop the war, he has free reign.

Sorry about the 3 years. I could not remember. I try not to. But for someone trying so hard to get support, it seems to me that he may be planning a longer stay.

dig420 11-29-2005 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
You are related to Saddam...aren't you?

so you're FOR torture? You're FOR curtailing the civil liberties of American citizens? You're FOR less accountability from the executive branch?

why do you hate America? Why don't you just leave and take all the other dimwitted facists who don't even realize they're facists along with you?

BRISK 11-29-2005 08:00 PM

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2HousePlague 11-29-2005 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Waters
What if we were seeing photographs such as this one:

http://www.vietnamwar.com/phanthikimphuc.jpg

http://www.esoterically.net/log/imag...hdad050623.jpg



2hp

crockett 11-29-2005 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
Just sitting here listening to the news and they were talking about the President going on another leg of his "tour" tomorrow including a major speech to drum up support from the American public for the Iraq war.

Is there anything he hasn't already said that he can say now that will bring those of you who have changed your mind about the war or never supported it in the first place to solidly standing behind him and the administration's "strategy" in Iraq?

He could go fuck himself, that might help.. :winkwink:

theking 11-29-2005 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy
He does not need support. He has the declaration of war, and unless they set up a vote to stop the war, he has free reign.

Sorry about the 3 years. I could not remember. I try not to. But for someone trying so hard to get support, it seems to me that he may be planning a longer stay.

What "declaration of war" are you referring to? The US Congress is the only ones that can declare war and they have not done so since the Second World War.

theking 11-29-2005 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420
so you're FOR torture? You're FOR curtailing the civil liberties of American citizens? You're FOR less accountability from the executive branch?

why do you hate America? Why don't you just leave and take all the other dimwitted facists who don't even realize they're facists along with you?

No. No. No. I don't. NO!

tony286 11-29-2005 08:43 PM

THis is not going to end people like the king seem to forget. People in that part of the world have been fighting for thousands of years.

TetsuoIronMan 11-29-2005 09:16 PM

The duty of fixing Iraq lies with those who broke it. If USA chickens out now before the job is done it will have serious consequences for a lot of people, Americans most certainly included.

Scootermuze 11-29-2005 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
Try three years left.......

Or 3 years til he decides to Nuke someone.. or have someone nuke us so he can remain in power... Not so far fetched...

I'm still not convinced the 9/11 incident was a surprise to him...

dig420 11-29-2005 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuoIronMan
The duty of fixing Iraq lies with those who broke it. If USA chickens out now before the job is done it will have serious consequences for a lot of people, Americans most certainly included.

I think 200 billion spent on those crazyass camel fuckers is quite enough. Fuck them. Let's leave.

Webby 11-29-2005 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett
He could go fuck himself, that might help.. :winkwink:

He probably don't know how - he'll have to ask Condi :1orglaugh

NinoBrown 11-29-2005 10:16 PM

you suck

Webby 11-29-2005 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuoIronMan
The duty of fixing Iraq lies with those who broke it. If USA chickens out now before the job is done it will have serious consequences for a lot of people, Americans most certainly included.


Does that include paying the bill for the damage - without oil contracts? :winkwink:

NinoBrown 11-29-2005 10:17 PM

who cares we are already there
 
i want gas prices at 1 dollar a gallon whose with me??????????

JasonB 11-29-2005 10:19 PM

sure ..he could say
"goodbye cruel world"

Webby 11-29-2005 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Waters
What if we were seeing photographs such as this one:

http://www.vietnamwar.com/phanthikimphuc.jpg

Sad shit Paul!

Not sure, but I think that's one of Don McCulloch's pics. I know this guy - last I heard he was on a motorcycle heading for Bagdad when the "shock and awe" started - not bad of a 60 + year old! :winkwink:

Later another friend ended up hand processing a batch of his film stock and - I ain't seen the pics yet, but he says they are amazing stuff.

Don is one of these people who don't do this to earn money (tho he does!). He does it to show the stupidity of people and what lengths they will go. I remember asking what he does when he sees stuff like above - basically keeps shooting then turns away and weeps, - then tries to help if he can.

Don has been on more front lines than any military person - where there is a war, he's there. It's amazing he's still alive.

Webby 11-29-2005 10:26 PM

BTW... That little girl is still alive (no longer so little!). She lives in Los Angeles now and still remains in touch with Don :)

DaddyHalbucks 11-29-2005 10:40 PM

All this liberal babble is discouraging.

GWB liberated 30 million people in Iraq. Judge him in the decades to follow, and judge him but what the Iraqi citizens say.

Sure, oil was a factor, and GWB admitted it upfront. Isn't a dictator sitting on the second largest oil deposit in the world a US strategic interest?

GWB wasn't the only person who thought Iraq had WMDs. That's what happens in a closed society, such as under a dictatorship, where monitoring such things is very difficult. The UN, CIA, Kerry, Clinton, the US Congress and many many other domestic and foreign governmental agencies and officials all thought Saddam had WMDs. Why point a finger at GWB now and call him a liar? That is ridiculous.

Eastern Europe took 50 years to be set free after WWII. Why does GWB deserve only a tiny fraction of that time to fix Iraq?

Sure, the Baathists thugs and Qaeda terrorists are trying to keep power with violence. Why does this surprise you?

Liberals often ask: how could the US "allow the holocaust!" Well, are we not therefore obligated to fight back against a contemporary Hitler/ holocaust such as Saddam's chemical attacks against the civilians Kurds?

Even amid the violence, 80% of the provinces are back under Iraq control.

A constitution, free elections, and basic democracy have been established. A brutal dictator is removed, and is being tried by his own citizens.

Looks like pretty good progress to me.

I think GWB is a hero. He ended 11 years of waffling, indecision, and hand wringing. He stepped up to the plate. We're lucky to have him.

StickyGreen 11-29-2005 10:43 PM

lol @ all you people arguing about bush and the war when you couldn't "round up enough troops" to vote him out of office last time around. just sit back, stfu, and deal with it...you got 3 more years...

directfiesta 11-29-2005 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks
All this liberal babble is discouraging.

GWB liberated 30 million people in Iraq. Judge him in the decades to follow, and judge him but what the Iraqi citizens say.

Sure, oil was a factor, and GWB admitted it upfront. Isn't a dictator sitting on the second largest oil deposit in the world a US strategic interest?

GWB wasn't the only person who thought Iraq had WMDs. That's what happens in a closed society, such as under a dictatorship, where monitoring such things is very difficult. The UN, CIA, Kerry, Clinton, the US Congress and many many other domestic and foreign governmental agencies and officials all thought Saddam had WMDs. Why point a finger at GWB now and call him a liar? That is ridiculous.

Eastern Europe took 50 years to be set free after WWII. Why does GWB deserve only a tiny fraction of that time to fix Iraq?

Sure, the Baathists thugs and Qaeda terrorists are trying to keep power with violence. Why does this surprise you?

Liberals often ask: how could the US "allow the holocaust!" Well, are we not therefore obligated to fight back against a contemporary Hitler/ holocaust such as Saddam's chemical attacks against the civilians Kurds?

Even amid the violence, 80% of the provinces are back under Iraq control.

A constitution, free elections, and basic democracy have been established. A brutal dictator is removed, and is being tried by his own citizens.

Looks like pretty good progress to me.

I think GWB is a hero. He ended 11 years of waffling, indecision, and hand wringing. He stepped up to the plate. We're lucky to have him.


:eek2 :eek2 :eek2

Webby 11-29-2005 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks
All this liberal babble is discouraging.

I think GWB is a hero. He ended 11 years of waffling, indecision, and hand wringing. He stepped up to the plate. We're lucky to have him.

Oh boy DH! :1orglaugh

This misuse use of the word "liberal" is the first clue.

To even think in terms that Bush is a hero in any respect is like an iBill rep asking if the client got a check. The man has been a dismal failure in all aspects of his life - both prior to and during his term of office. (Particularly with money).

If you are serious in thinking the US is "lucky to have him" - well, sometimes it takes longer for reality to hit home :winkwink:


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