My experience with Epassport (rubbish) - GoFuckYourself.com

johnpr0n · 11-21-2005, 05:27 PM

Well i never got a chance to tell everyone about my wonderful experiences with Epassport - so i thought i would do so now.

Lets see where to start...

I contacted them around 15 times via phone ( at overseas rates of course) The answers i got varied between:

We are closed (i rang 5 minutes later they were open, then closed again, randomly)

Next time they answered like this,, uhhh hello? Then i asked them a very basic question about thier service, which they mumbled some rubbish and transfered me to someone else, which never answered anyhow.

Then the next few times i rang them, i basicly got someone who didnt have any product knowledge at all. Thats who you want running your call centre, someone who doesnt actualy have any product knowledge at all, and answers like they are at home in thier pijamas!

I believe in total i tried to contact them around 10-20 times over a 1 month period. The best i got was some american teenager who knew one or two things about the service, although not anything i was asking about, of course.

I then sent them 3 or 4 emails, all i wanted to find out was about thier system, if it accepted any type of credit card. I got one reply once, i cant remember off the top of my head, i think it was one of your standard copy and paste replies with nothing relevant.

Then being the bad tempered person i am, i decided to send them another email of a slightly less beligerent nature, asking why in the hell i was being treated like this. I then got an email from the manager explaining how they would not do business with me becuase of my nasty letter.

Visa is a great company, although it looks as tho they have outsourced this part of thier business to a company with less focus on customer support. Not only did the staff not have a clue AT ALL what they were talking about, the manager did not help either. In fact he basicly told me to fuck off.

Now i am the first to admit i should not have gotten angry, but the first rule in customer service when you have an angry customer is to calm them down. In fact i have worked in sales and call centres for nearly 9 years now, if someone was managing my company like this, well i would be outraged, and i would hope VISA would be, thier company is being represented terribly.

I make a point of telling every web master i work with about this companies very poor service. They have a GREAT productive, i would have loved to use it, but well if they treat customers like this..

What happens if your 10k affiliate payment gets lost? Good luck getting that back. Fuck it, i wouldnt trust these guys with payment for a postage stamp.

Im sure 99% of the people here will only have good things to say, but well it only takes one person to get fucked around like this to see what they are capapable off. I would hope VISA might look at changing thier outsourcing policies, shame for such a reputable company to be taken down by a few lazy emplyee's.

So here is my advice to everyone, i would aviod this company like the plauge, they might be paying on time for now, but when it DOES fuck up, well dont expect any help.

I would also be interested to know off anyone else who has had similar problems...

JamesK2 · 11-21-2005, 05:40 PM

The script and processing etc is great but I've had a very bad experience with the customer support, they're really stupid.

I got a new contact now tho, Shaliza @ ePass, when I contact her I get my problems solved very quickly. Too bad their normal CS can't be like that.

phonesex · 11-21-2005, 05:41 PM

stupid is an understatement.

johnpr0n · 11-21-2005, 05:44 PM

Good im glad some other people have had the same experience. Well im not glad you got fucked around hehe, but im glad i have other people here saying the same thing.

I would have to say i have NEVER had a more un proffessional attitude displayed towards a potential customer.

Please if you have had the same shit happen post it up, maybe something can be done, or maybe at least less people will use thier shitty service.

johnpr0n · 11-27-2005, 06:28 PM

Bump - let more people see this ;)

Dirty F · 11-27-2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by johnpr0n

Im sure 99% of the people here will only have good things to say, but well it only takes one person to get fucked around like this to see what they are capapable off..

Actually in epassportes case its the other way around. 9 out of 10 posts are people complaining about similar issues. One would easily think its run by a bunch of monkees after reading all this shit.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-27-2005, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

One would easily think its run by a bunch of monkees after reading all this shit.

My monkey was very offended by that comment , he wants you to take it back and use a lower life form, he informed me that he could easily perform most tasks associated with customer service.

Donners · 11-27-2005, 06:56 PM

U suck, epass is da shit

JamesK2 · 11-27-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Donners

U suck, epass is da shit

very mature reply there

why don't you give us some arguments

slapass · 11-27-2005, 07:06 PM

I love epassporte. Just be aware that it takes 5 phone calls to solve any issue. Once you accept this fact, they rock.

Donners · 11-27-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

very mature reply there

why don't you give us some arguments

Never had any probs with thier service, had one double charge once, mistake by the shop but the support was great by phone and email.
And best of all, it gives my taxfree cash

Doctor Dre · 11-27-2005, 07:07 PM

The customer support sucks arse ... Chris Mallick told the board it was gonna get better shortly, it just got worse (downtimes, script maintenance AND customer support)... that fucking sucks...

On the other hand, I personally won't stop using epass since it's a good product compared to normal checks ... that's all . I love instant money ;)

JamesK2 · 11-27-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Donners

Never had any probs with thier service, had one double charge once, mistake by the shop but the support was great by phone and email.
And best of all, it gives my taxfree cash

You're the first to say something positive about their support.

Let's see if they're just as good next time you need them, 'cause I think you've been lucky

Nicky · 11-27-2005, 07:09 PM

epass is very nice when everything is working but when something is wrong and you need support help its a pain

Donners · 11-27-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

epass is very nice when everything is working but when something is wrong and you need support help its a pain

Gå o lägg dig, de e sent!

Amnesic · 11-27-2005, 07:17 PM

Very scary story, could end up like paypal before ebay bought them.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-27-2005, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Donners

And best of all, it gives my taxfree cash

Banks dont usually do taxes, your government does. Most "income" is taxable , if you choose to evade taxes , thats your choice , but it has nothing to do with epass. If what you are saying is "they dont report income to the swedish government " i wouldnt be so sure of that.

Donners · 11-27-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Banks dont usually do taxes, your government does. Most "income" is taxable , if you choose to evade taxes , thats your choice , but it has nothing to do with epass. If what you are saying is "they dont report income to the swedish government " i wouldnt be so sure of that.

How the hell would they do that? Only info the got on me is my name, my adress it outdates.

JamesK2 · 11-27-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Donners

How the hell would they do that? Only info the got on me is my name, my adress it outdates.

They got your name, so they can get your address.

Donners · 11-27-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

They got your name, so they can get your address.

I'm not the only one with my name in Sweden you know.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-27-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Donners

How the hell would they do that? Only info the got on me is my name, my adress it outdates.

Who knows , i'm not saying they do , but i wouldn't be naieve enough to think they dont

They could simply send your visa number /name and ip logs and correlate your isp . Obviously they couldn't track everyone this way , but...

SmokeyTheBear · 11-27-2005, 07:29 PM

Once you go over a certain limit epassporte will make you fax a copy of something with your address on it ( utility bill ) and a copy of your passport..

Donners · 11-27-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Once you go over a certain limit epassporte will make you fax a copy of something with your address on it ( utility bill ) and a copy of your passport..

Really? Whats the limit?

JamesK2 · 11-27-2005, 07:31 PM

Yep. Just trying to tell ya... ePassporte is not as perfect as you may think. I've been using them since start, and I like them but their support is just plain shit. It's a true mess. I have seen so many people complain about it I'm wondering why they still haven't improved it yet.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-27-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Donners

Really? Whats the limit?

I think it changed , mine happened around 5k in total transactions

tony286 · 11-27-2005, 07:35 PM

those who think its tax free money are kidding themselves. the irs is starting to look at paypal transactions because people arent paying taxes on this money.

tony286 · 11-27-2005, 07:37 PM

PayPal names names as IRS chases tax evaders
By Paul Lashmar
Published: 06 November 2005

PayPal, the internet money-transfer arm of eBay, is to disclose the identity of customers who use the service to evade paying US taxes.

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is demanding records of customers using Paypal through offshore accounts in all tax havens, including Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Gibraltar and other UK dependencies.
http://news.independent.co.uk/busine...icle325054.ece

nico-t · 11-27-2005, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Donners

And best of all, it gives my taxfree cash

when you get the epass card and you use it at atm's, the banks see the transfer... so im asking myself, will the tax guys find this out? Also because your name is connected to the pass (i think)?

Niklas · 11-27-2005, 07:49 PM

Paypal is known worldwide.. I have yet to meet a single person outside online adult who have heard of epassporte. You should still pay your taxes.

nico-t · 11-27-2005, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Niklas

You should still pay your taxes.

move to holland - you will think otherwise

thewebgarage · 11-27-2005, 10:39 PM

pretty soon this will get to 50
scary shit

Michael O · 11-28-2005, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by johnpr0n

Bump - let more people see this ;)

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If anyone has a problem or question feel free to contact me.

com · 11-28-2005, 02:32 AM

I have never gotten a response to any of my emails to them.. and getting somone on the phone a null attempt. I wouldnt go near them.

Gunni · 11-28-2005, 02:32 AM

I've always had very good experiences with eppasport.
Had to call them like 3 or 4 times and always got my problems solved asap

darksoul · 11-28-2005, 02:41 AM

I didn't need epass support so far so got nothing bad to say about this.
But I know bigger companies that have the same kind of support.
As far as epass goes I got my ATM card in less than 2 weeks and I'm in Romania,
I was impressed. But yea I hope I wont need their support anytime soon.

johnpr0n · 11-28-2005, 05:01 PM

Yea you guys are right, epassports product is GREAT - i would have loved to use it. But well i wouldnt be trusting then with large sums of money, no way. If they dont know how to answer the phone like a professional, nor answer BASIC questions, well yea i wouldnt rely on them with large sums of money.

Its a real shame too, would make life to much easier.

And donners - I believe we are all adults here (legally anyhow :P), maybe you should input on the conversation like an adult?

RogerV · 11-28-2005, 05:11 PM

Never needed any support in the begining there was a small learning curve but now its smooth sailing. We pay by epassporte and the webmasters love it.. fast and easy

johnpr0n · 11-28-2005, 05:19 PM

Yea i think its a great service, they just dont provide any customer service. I guess if you dont require any help, then you would be fine to use it

SpeakEasy · 11-28-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

The customer support sucks arse ... Chris Mallick told the board it was gonna get better shortly, it just got worse (downtimes, script maintenance AND customer support)... that fucking sucks...

On the other hand, I personally won't stop using epass since it's a good product compared to normal checks ... that's all . I love instant money ;)

Chris Mallick is the head Monkey there. epassporte is not a real banking institution and their days are numbered imho. They saw an opportunity to make some quick cash off the adult industry and jumped all over it, thats the bottom line.

johnpr0n · 11-28-2005, 05:56 PM

Haha, good cal speakeasy. IF they provided some sort of customer service, and hired people over the age of 14, they would have a DAMN good product.

But sadly i dont see that happening.

Michael O · 11-28-2005, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnpr0n

Haha, good cal speakeasy. IF they provided some sort of customer service, and hired people over the age of 14, they would have a DAMN good product.

But sadly i dont see that happening.

Like I have offered you 3 times now if you need support you are welcome to contact me.

JohnnyUtah · 11-28-2005, 06:34 PM

Epass sucks ...end of story

johnpr0n · 11-28-2005, 07:32 PM

Well i do appreciate the offer very much keyser, but honestly how would you expect me to trust you guys with my money, when you cannot be relied upon to answer 1 simple email?

Or to answer the phone like a professional?

Or to show ANY kind of professionlism AT ALL?

LOL - look at your website, its not even centred correct... some VERY basic stuff here.

Seriously...

Michael O · 11-28-2005, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnpr0n

Well i do appreciate the offer very much keyser, but honestly how would you expect me to trust you guys with my money, when you cannot be relied upon to answer 1 simple email?

Or to answer the phone like a professional?

Or to show ANY kind of professionlism AT ALL?

LOL - look at your website, its not even centred correct... some VERY basic stuff here.

Seriously...

OK.
I am sorry you had a bad experience with ePassporte, I am just trying to get you any help and support if you need it, I figured you still wanted support since you keep posting in this thread.
My mistake.

johnpr0n · 11-28-2005, 07:45 PM

No, i just want people to know how bad your company treats people, so other people wont waste thier time and money like myself

Again thanks, tis much appreciated, and i wish you luck with it all

johnpr0n · 11-28-2005, 07:48 PM

One thing tho keyser, i do hope you pass on this thread url to the manager's of the company, might be good for them to learn whats actualy giong on within thier company.

FuckU2 · 11-28-2005, 07:51 PM

Did you get your monkey from Ibill ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

My monkey was very offended by that comment , he wants you to take it back and use a lower life form, he informed me that he could easily perform most tasks associated with customer service.

SpeakEasy · 11-28-2005, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Like I have offered you 3 times now if you need support you are welcome to contact me.

Please don't take this personally because you are just trying to make a living. Epassporte is so far from a real banking institution that the only support anyone can get is from 1 or 2 people on an adult message board called Go Fuck Yourself.......LMAO

OMG that is pure hysteria. Anyone trusting them with their money is just asking to get burnt sooner or later.

Boss Traffic Jim · 11-28-2005, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnpr0n

One thing tho keyser, i do hope you pass on this thread url to the manager's of the company, might be good for them to learn whats actualy giong on within thier company.

You know they are reading this thread and all the other epassporte sucks threads, they are just laying low figuring that not addressing these issues in public is better than getting into a pissing match that they can never win.

RogerV · 11-28-2005, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeakEasy

Chris Mallick is the head Monkey there. epassporte is not a real banking institution and their days are numbered imho. They saw an opportunity to make some quick cash off the adult industry and jumped all over it, thats the bottom line.

Takes big balls to talk shit behind a speak easy name LOL

your the fuckin Monkey

11-21-2005, 05:27 PM	#1
johnpr0n So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 389	My experience with Epassport (rubbish) Well i never got a chance to tell everyone about my wonderful experiences with Epassport - so i thought i would do so now. Lets see where to start... I contacted them around 15 times via phone ( at overseas rates of course) The answers i got varied between: We are closed (i rang 5 minutes later they were open, then closed again, randomly) Next time they answered like this,, uhhh hello? Then i asked them a very basic question about thier service, which they mumbled some rubbish and transfered me to someone else, which never answered anyhow. Then the next few times i rang them, i basicly got someone who didnt have any product knowledge at all. Thats who you want running your call centre, someone who doesnt actualy have any product knowledge at all, and answers like they are at home in thier pijamas! I believe in total i tried to contact them around 10-20 times over a 1 month period. The best i got was some american teenager who knew one or two things about the service, although not anything i was asking about, of course. I then sent them 3 or 4 emails, all i wanted to find out was about thier system, if it accepted any type of credit card. I got one reply once, i cant remember off the top of my head, i think it was one of your standard copy and paste replies with nothing relevant. Then being the bad tempered person i am, i decided to send them another email of a slightly less beligerent nature, asking why in the hell i was being treated like this. I then got an email from the manager explaining how they would not do business with me becuase of my nasty letter. Visa is a great company, although it looks as tho they have outsourced this part of thier business to a company with less focus on customer support. Not only did the staff not have a clue AT ALL what they were talking about, the manager did not help either. In fact he basicly told me to fuck off. Now i am the first to admit i should not have gotten angry, but the first rule in customer service when you have an angry customer is to calm them down. In fact i have worked in sales and call centres for nearly 9 years now, if someone was managing my company like this, well i would be outraged, and i would hope VISA would be, thier company is being represented terribly. I make a point of telling every web master i work with about this companies very poor service. They have a GREAT productive, i would have loved to use it, but well if they treat customers like this.. What happens if your 10k affiliate payment gets lost? Good luck getting that back. Fuck it, i wouldnt trust these guys with payment for a postage stamp. Im sure 99% of the people here will only have good things to say, but well it only takes one person to get fucked around like this to see what they are capapable off. I would hope VISA might look at changing thier outsourcing policies, shame for such a reputable company to be taken down by a few lazy emplyee's. So here is my advice to everyone, i would aviod this company like the plauge, they might be paying on time for now, but when it DOES fuck up, well dont expect any help. I would also be interested to know off anyone else who has had similar problems...

11-21-2005, 05:40 PM	#2
JamesK2 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 6,589	The script and processing etc is great but I've had a very bad experience with the customer support, they're really stupid. I got a new contact now tho, Shaliza @ ePass, when I contact her I get my problems solved very quickly. Too bad their normal CS can't be like that. __________________

11-21-2005, 05:41 PM	#3
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11-27-2005, 07:09 PM	#14
Nicky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	epass is very nice when everything is working but when something is wrong and you need support help its a pain __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

11-27-2005, 07:29 PM	#22
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	Once you go over a certain limit epassporte will make you fax a copy of something with your address on it ( utility bill ) and a copy of your passport.. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

11-21-2005, 05:44 PM	#4
johnpr0n So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 389	Good im glad some other people have had the same experience. Well im not glad you got fucked around hehe, but im glad i have other people here saying the same thing. I would have to say i have NEVER had a more un proffessional attitude displayed towards a potential customer. Please if you have had the same shit happen post it up, maybe something can be done, or maybe at least less people will use thier shitty service.

11-27-2005, 06:28 PM	#5
johnpr0n So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 389	Bump - let more people see this ;)

11-27-2005, 06:56 PM	#8
Donners Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 689	U suck, epass is da shit

11-27-2005, 07:06 PM	#10
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	I love epassporte. Just be aware that it takes 5 phone calls to solve any issue. Once you accept this fact, they rock.

11-27-2005, 07:17 PM	#16
Amnesic Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Qc, Canada Posts: 1,305	Very scary story, could end up like paypal before ebay bought them.

11-27-2005, 07:31 PM	#24
JamesK2 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 6,589	Yep. Just trying to tell ya... ePassporte is not as perfect as you may think. I've been using them since start, and I like them but their support is just plain shit. It's a true mess. I have seen so many people complain about it I'm wondering why they still haven't improved it yet. __________________

11-27-2005, 07:35 PM	#26
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	those who think its tax free money are kidding themselves. the irs is starting to look at paypal transactions because people arent paying taxes on this money.

11-27-2005, 07:37 PM	#27
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	PayPal names names as IRS chases tax evaders By Paul Lashmar Published: 06 November 2005 PayPal, the internet money-transfer arm of eBay, is to disclose the identity of customers who use the service to evade paying US taxes. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is demanding records of customers using Paypal through offshore accounts in all tax havens, including Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Gibraltar and other UK dependencies. http://news.independent.co.uk/busine...icle325054.ece

11-27-2005, 07:49 PM	#29
Niklas Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 352	Paypal is known worldwide.. I have yet to meet a single person outside online adult who have heard of epassporte. You should still pay your taxes.

11-27-2005, 10:39 PM	#31
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11-28-2005, 02:32 AM	#33
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11-28-2005, 02:32 AM	#34
Gunni Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 2,385	I've always had very good experiences with eppasport. Had to call them like 3 or 4 times and always got my problems solved asap

11-28-2005, 02:41 AM	#35
darksoul Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: /root/ Posts: 4,997	I didn't need epass support so far so got nothing bad to say about this. But I know bigger companies that have the same kind of support. As far as epass goes I got my ATM card in less than 2 weeks and I'm in Romania, I was impressed. But yea I hope I wont need their support anytime soon. __________________ 1337 5y54\|)m1n: 157717888 BM-2cUBw4B2fgiYAfjkE7JvWaJMiUXD96n9tN Cambooth

11-28-2005, 05:01 PM	#36
johnpr0n So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 389	Yea you guys are right, epassports product is GREAT - i would have loved to use it. But well i wouldnt be trusting then with large sums of money, no way. If they dont know how to answer the phone like a professional, nor answer BASIC questions, well yea i wouldnt rely on them with large sums of money. Its a real shame too, would make life to much easier. And donners - I believe we are all adults here (legally anyhow :P), maybe you should input on the conversation like an adult?

11-28-2005, 05:11 PM	#37
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	Never needed any support in the begining there was a small learning curve but now its smooth sailing. We pay by epassporte and the webmasters love it.. fast and easy

11-28-2005, 05:19 PM	#38
johnpr0n So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 389	Yea i think its a great service, they just dont provide any customer service. I guess if you dont require any help, then you would be fine to use it

11-28-2005, 05:56 PM	#40
johnpr0n So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 389	Haha, good cal speakeasy. IF they provided some sort of customer service, and hired people over the age of 14, they would have a DAMN good product. But sadly i dont see that happening.

11-28-2005, 06:34 PM	#42
JohnnyUtah Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 826	Epass sucks ...end of story

11-28-2005, 07:32 PM	#43
johnpr0n So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 389	Well i do appreciate the offer very much keyser, but honestly how would you expect me to trust you guys with my money, when you cannot be relied upon to answer 1 simple email? Or to answer the phone like a professional? Or to show ANY kind of professionlism AT ALL? LOL - look at your website, its not even centred correct... some VERY basic stuff here. Seriously...

11-28-2005, 07:45 PM	#45
johnpr0n So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 389	No, i just want people to know how bad your company treats people, so other people wont waste thier time and money like myself Again thanks, tis much appreciated, and i wish you luck with it all

11-28-2005, 07:48 PM	#46
johnpr0n So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 389	One thing tho keyser, i do hope you pass on this thread url to the manager's of the company, might be good for them to learn whats actualy giong on within thier company.