The 2 year graph is even more interesting...

That being said, Bike does ok with 100% FHGs...

but they built a fanbase on years and years of free quality submissions. show me a big tgp that started with only hosted galleries and still only has hosted galleries.

Why make "good money" when they can make great money? I don't see how profiting off your own site and not sharing quite as much can be considered "greedy".

Show me any big tgp that has established itself within the last 5 years ;)

Don't bash SubmitPasses for having a good idea and implementing it.

And it's benefficial for the submitters as well - it's much easier to buy your passes from 1 central site, get billed by 1 company and discuss your problems with 1 support crew.

The only drawback is that you can't buy 1-month passes (if you wanna test the new traffic) but, oh well, I can live with that hehe.

While it's true that Ray is not the most cheerful peoples on ICQ or by email, he's doing his job just fine and whenever I had a problem, someone took care of it in a day or two.

So, basically, SubmitPasses is fine with me.

And as long as free traffic goes - get used to the idea that it's over.

Btw, there are some TGPs that are totally not worth it but you should be able to see who they are and refrain from buying there. Clues are in the air and everyone with enough experience can read them just fine.

I don't see you bashing GTS for selling spots and taking away the free traffic - why is that? Isn't it the same?

I'm never buying anything from submit passes. I'd rather buy from the owner and not a middle man who simply costs me more money.

Stop the war, I'm french... lol

We got perhaps less traffic on frenchcum than others big tgps making partner accounts (on submitpass or not) but we will list all submited galleries (as far as they match category and our rules) and fast (galleries will be online in less than 30 minutes, we'll double check afterward only so you do not need to wait for a confirmation email). As it goes through thumbnails spots at first you will easely find back your gallery on our site!
I want to see partner deals like a way to make money, not to add extra money to our incomes through free hosted or own galleries : Best spots goes to partners!

Sorry to see so many people disslike partner accounts due to bad experiences... Ray do not seems such a awfull guy at all for me hehe
I understand that selling what was free since such a long time could seems a bad deal and I bet it is if tgp owners do not give more than before... just my :2 cents:

I Agree at all! :thumbsup

so they decide to take a cut so they can make more and we can make less? seems fair...except for the fact that those sites were built by gallery submitters. i remember back in the day tgps were so hungry for galleries i'd get shit listed even tho i never submitted galleries back then at all.

I think you'll find this all started from someone bashing GTS - btw they'r'e the same co

Just wanted to make a comment about his graph.

I trade traffic with him and quite a while ago he asked me a his other big trades to send our traffic to a differnt site of his. So that is the major reason of the decline is his alexa rating.

Ok, heres my take on it. There are good experiences and bad experiences with everything but the way I view it at the end of the day is that the inception of Submitpasses has got me access to sites like Marks Bookmarks, Elephantlist, Frenchcum etc, and these are sites I have wanted to submit to in the past but never did or could.

For sure there has been the odd casualty like Video Post but overall the benefits have far outweighed the negatives.

Ok fair enough.

i wonder if we will ever get to the point of having to pay to get access to pay to get a submit pass to maybe get on a site.

Stop giving them ideas :2 cents:

I completely 100% agree Stev0, I don't want to get into a pissing match with anybody but the herd is thinning and if you're not ready to invest back into your business you won't be in the adult biz very long.

DH

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I just bought a pass for frenchcum, let's see how it does. :)

PS - Drinkinghard is a tranny!

Yeah he is.

And his traffic is :thumbsup

I actually like submitpasses.

Its a free world and they are just running a biz. I see nothing wrong with that.
Thanks to submitpasses I have been able to get partneraccount that were not available to me before. Offcourse its not like every partneraccount got me the things I wanted but hey thats just like in real life right? I cant blame them for something I choose to buy myself out of my own free will. If its not satisfying I just dont renew it.

Go ahead. Flame me.

100 replies about submitpasses's announcement :thumbsup

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yeah thats all well and good but you realize in part the reason why you got one is because they are putting more galleries than ever up, resulting in less traffic to everyone. everyone down the line makes guarenteed money except the gallery submitter. the tgp owner is sure to get his cut of the passes as well as whatever he makes off his main page + sub pages (which should be pretty sweet on its own) the submitpass people get their cut of course. its the webmaster who has to risk everything. no promise of sales, listings or anything other than a bill on your credit card.

all in all the reason stuff like this pisses me off is because year after year we have to put in more work and invest more money for less profit.

I get your point about the risk being moved down to us. Its all a marketquestion though. If the passes are not worth the money people will simply stop buying/renewing them. As a result prices will go down. I am not buying all passes. Some I know on forehand that will not be profitable for me and some I buy, test and see they are not profitable. When it balances down I get more traffic then I used to and the extra sales greatly cover the expenses of the submitpasses I have. We take the risk and pay extra. We also get the extra profit though if we make the right decisions.
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i always enjoy these threads... :thumbsup

yeah, i guess we'll see what will happen with all of this a year or 2 down the road. tho you also have to take into consideration the high turnover in this industry. there will always be lots of noobs willing to spend money to get some traffic.

so 2000 / 25 sites... so you sold 80 submit passes to each site today?

sorry if i'm mistaken, or took what you said wrong... but no wonder people are complaining about not getting listed. :2 cents:

I suppose if you were going to sit down and submit 30 - 60 galleries a month then you should be able to turn a profit.

That would be damn near 2 million dollars a year.

No lol. I was talking total, not In one day. Please dont not say we over sell spasses. Take a look at our site, you will see the bigger ones are sold out and all the other sites have caps that we have yet to reach.

People are complaining about not getting listed? 4 or 5 GFYers bitching means people are not getting listed? Comom LOL

Like a said, we have over 2000 passes (total) sold and every renewal date 90% of those renew. If all I have to worry about is 4 or 5 childern here, im must be doing something right, LOL.

We have a great service that is here to stay and its getting bigger by the day. What do you think it is that is making us grow this fast? We give clients what they want and they keep coming back for more. We love our clients and treat them right.

Ray

I posted this in another thread that didn't get a reply, could someone from submitpasses please post the actual stats for each category on that site?

You said it is a 350k tgp, however it is a multi category tgp so any page that galleries appear on it will get no where close to that amount of traffic. I'm guessing 10-20% of that for the major categories?

$60/month is alot to pay for exposure on what amounts to a page getting 35-70k if so.

People making niche galleries should get far less than that even.

I may be interested in this if I can get real stats for the category pages and they prove the above to be incorrect. What are they?

I want to know what kind of traffic the page I would be listed on gets before I hand over money for it. And obviously the only page on that site that gets 350k is a page with no submitted galleries on it.

90% renew? *cough*B.S*cough :1orglaugh

One thing about these submit passes is that webmasters who only have time to build 10-15 galleries a month loss out.

I would consider buying some but I to many other types of sites and pages to worry about - I can't make galleries every single day

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god is there alot of whining in this thread if you think submit accounts are overpriced dont buy them, if your pissed because a site that used to let you submit for free charges now pay or go find some other traffic.

Start your own damm tgp and list your own gals whatever makes you happy.

And last thing if you think the big tgp owners care about your bitching your wrong if accounts are overpriced then they will be discounted thats about it.

you cant sum it up any better then that :thumbsup :2 cents:

Wait one month and then ask 5 professionnal submiters who post at least 2 galleries per day on my tgp if it's worth it. I do not sell traffic, want to keep my hands free.



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Anyway I will do my best to make happy partners on the long run! :upsidedow

Why not just post your page stats here?

It should be simple enough to look this up in your stats. That 350k figure means nothing to anyone but you since no one else's ads appear on that page.

If its anything similar to what he sends out to my galleries then its a very nice amount of traffic.

Well it would be nice to have some type of meaningful stats posted.

Handing over money without having any idea of how many hits the page your links appear on is getting is just ludicrous.