No its not, it used to be free.

FINALLY someone with a clue.

let it go Ray, he's obviously pissed about the service that was provided and the way he was treated..

not the end of the world for him or you..

Hello Franck, was wondering when you would show up :)

when even YOU agree with me it must be pretty clear to people that I'm not making this up

I agree, but I want to know what it is he is referring to.

SubmitPasses dont give a shit about bitching webmasters and clients. Passes will be sold anyway.

I think youre annoying.

I have mixed feelings about this though...the reason why im not totally bashing you (believe me im still being nice) is that what you do is allowed and good for you. Youre doing very good business and i respect that. But NOBODY but you and the site owners are profiting from it. You are costing 100's of people extra money just so you can make more money. You are one of the few webmasters on this board who gets paid by other webmasters because they are simply forced to if they still want traffic. I dont like that.
We should have the surfers pay us, not webmasters paying eachother. Forcing to pay eachother. For that i think youre an asshole.

Your right, we are a fraud. I will refund all 2000 webmasters today and go back to fixing cars. Im so ashamed :helpme

When they just started a bought a few passes. I had problems with basically each one of them. Not working, no listings, no gallery confirmations. They answered me and said they forwarded the problems to the owners of the tgp. Didnt hear anything back really...From nobody. They gave me a month free i had to admit one of the tgps but i couldve lived without that...i think that month free gave me a total of 5k hits haha.

Let me put it this way. They replied quite fast but somebody didnt care about my problems...either them or the tgp owners.

Can all the tgp owners please stop with the paid partner account bullshit?

This is getting insane. To top it off - all these passes now have to be bought for 3 months LMFAO! So if they are worthless you've dropped a crapload more money than you wanted.

Pipty one :)

only two partner accounts worth buying IMO is pichunter ($100) for lifetime submissions, not monthly.. and tommys-bookmarks yearly.. he was charging 50$ then 100$, now he's not accepting any other webmasters because he's FULL now..

pretty honest that he stated that he's full because he's not trying to OVERSELL...

http://www.tommys-bookmarks.com/please-signup.html

ps. how many threads did you see about these two sites and the problems with the submitters? i've seen none..

my :2 cents: :2 cents:

over&out

Pichunter and tommy's are two sites that are in my top 10 of sending traffic AND sales for sure yeah.

52 technically.

ok well, good chatting. Thanks for all the posts...Id better go fill out my orders now.

Peace

Yup go collect your money quick quick.

Kind of sums it all up for you don't it? that reply shows your complete arrogance. Maby its time for me to email this story to the webmasters of the sites you sell access to.. I bet they love bad press

Sadly enough most of them dont care.

wow submit passes just continue to amaze me and not in a good way :2 cents:

I don't pay for many accounts. The few I do pay for I buy directly from the TGP owner. No reason to use any middle man for this.

But its starting to impact a bit on my traffic lately.

I really hope it stops soon. What I never understand is all the "good work!" "nice!" replys we see when they make these announcements.

Are you webmasters fucking stupid?

If you pay submitpasses for accounts, at least try to go over the list of sites you pay for and see if its possible to buy directly from the TGP owener instead. The bigger submitpasses gets the higher your costs will be. Several webmasters on this board must be fucking idiots.

Don't get me wrong. They make much money from a GOOD idea. But you as a webmaster should do anything you can to stop them from destroying for other webmasters.

2 days ago frenchcum was free to submit to.

Idiots.

Isnt it amazing??? Ive been saying this for 3 months now....
I totally dont understand why people keep giving Ray compliments...there is not a single reason to do that. Not one!

Get over it fellas. TGP owners have been giving away free traffic for years now, its over. 1 year tops there will be no more free submissions. The choice is yours really, either pay for an account/pass or they list hosted galls.

Ray

First of all you are causing a big part of this hype so youre to blame and second we dont need a middle man who causes the prices to be even higher.

LOL, are you for real. If it was not us it would have been someone else.

Ray

I have a submit pass with elephantlist and I get quite a few sales from it... Maybe your galleries just suck.

Then i would bash them.

Paid accounts will be the future but something will change. Right now everyone and his brother is trying to sell accounts while AT LEAST half of them arent worth the money. This simply cant continue. People will stop buying.
There will be a few good places left to buy accounts like pichunter and tommy's. Half of the crap you sell will eventually die out. Not as a tgp i mean but people wont renew forever @ 60 bucks a month for 5k hits.

If you can't afford $50/month for a submit pass you're in the wrong biz... Don't blame submitpasses or the tgp's for the way things are going. Blame the affiliate program models that keep turning more and more surfers into webmasters, it's oversaturated this industry.

The small fish won't last long unless they're willing to invest back into the business.

Do what you have to do and i will do that as well. Yours is to make money which is good for you, mine is to stop webmasters from giving you thumbs up. They should realize whats happening here instead of following the hype like sheep.

Theres the problem. Its not 50 a month dude. Its 50 sites at 50 a month. I dont mind to spend money to make money but its getting ridiculous. Even more because most of them simply arent even worth the 50 bucks. Which you only find out after you spent it.

but why should it be over? and the traffic wasn't free. its an exchange, we make quality galleries in exchange for the traffic. and if it wasn't for the 'free traffic for years' the sites would not be what they are today.

All of mine make back alot more profit than what they cost... I've got 6 passes from submitpasses on the bigger sites. Not sure how anyone can submit 30 galleries and not make back $40-$100 to cover the cost.

Unless your galleries aren't getting listed, but then it's probably something you're doing wrong, not them. Talk with the tgp owners if you're having problems getting listed, chances are it's something that will be easily changed.

Yup...and if a quality site moves to free hosted galleries it will lose it visitors for sure.

Get over it, the tgp business has changed... Affiliate programs all offer hosted galleries now. If you ran a big tgp why would you give away free traffic when you could profit using hosted galleries or selling passes?

Sure it will,

www.ampland.com

Their alexa rating sure makes it look like the site has crashed and burned :1orglaugh

The problem here is that YOU guys cost webmasters MORE money! Your service is only beneficial to YOU and the tgp owner. Submitters get screwed royally in the arse.

Then don't buy, simple enough... I'm a happy submitpasses customer.

The less customers they have, the better off their existing customers are.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...w.ampland.com/

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Barely a noteable decline... it's happened with all tgp's, even free submit ones
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ww.thehun.com/

Over saturation...

I bet he's laughing all the way to the bank and making 10 times more than he was using submitted galleries.

a hosted gallery link dump is not a tgp. i wouldn't make a tgp but if i did i would use all the submitted galleries to build up backlinks, which result in good seo placement. something hosted galleries can't do. hosted galleries also usually have shitty descriptions writen by non english speaking people. they also have little to no text which means fuck all for search engine hits. on top of that unless each tgp has custom hosted galleries surfers are gonna see the same thing over and over and eventually stop going there.

as for paid submissions, it seems like its says that tgp owners can't make good enough money anymore with their front and catagory pages, with the 1000's upon 1000's of backlinks, first page google listing, etc and have to resort to selling partner accounts. either that or they're just greedy.