Can all the tgp owners please stop with the paid partner account bullshit?

This is getting insane. To top it off - all these passes now have to be bought for 3 months LMFAO! So if they are worthless you've dropped a crapload more money than you wanted.

Pipty one :)

only two partner accounts worth buying IMO is pichunter ($100) for lifetime submissions, not monthly.. and tommys-bookmarks yearly.. he was charging 50$ then 100$, now he's not accepting any other webmasters because he's FULL now..

pretty honest that he stated that he's full because he's not trying to OVERSELL...

http://www.tommys-bookmarks.com/please-signup.html

ps. how many threads did you see about these two sites and the problems with the submitters? i've seen none..

my :2 cents: :2 cents:

over&out

Pichunter and tommy's are two sites that are in my top 10 of sending traffic AND sales for sure yeah.

52 technically.

ok well, good chatting. Thanks for all the posts...Id better go fill out my orders now.

Peace

Yup go collect your money quick quick.

Kind of sums it all up for you don't it? that reply shows your complete arrogance. Maby its time for me to email this story to the webmasters of the sites you sell access to.. I bet they love bad press

Sadly enough most of them dont care.

wow submit passes just continue to amaze me and not in a good way :2 cents:

I don't pay for many accounts. The few I do pay for I buy directly from the TGP owner. No reason to use any middle man for this.

But its starting to impact a bit on my traffic lately.

I really hope it stops soon. What I never understand is all the "good work!" "nice!" replys we see when they make these announcements.

Are you webmasters fucking stupid?

If you pay submitpasses for accounts, at least try to go over the list of sites you pay for and see if its possible to buy directly from the TGP owener instead. The bigger submitpasses gets the higher your costs will be. Several webmasters on this board must be fucking idiots.

Don't get me wrong. They make much money from a GOOD idea. But you as a webmaster should do anything you can to stop them from destroying for other webmasters.

2 days ago frenchcum was free to submit to.

Idiots.

Isnt it amazing??? Ive been saying this for 3 months now....
I totally dont understand why people keep giving Ray compliments...there is not a single reason to do that. Not one!

Get over it fellas. TGP owners have been giving away free traffic for years now, its over. 1 year tops there will be no more free submissions. The choice is yours really, either pay for an account/pass or they list hosted galls.

Ray

First of all you are causing a big part of this hype so youre to blame and second we dont need a middle man who causes the prices to be even higher.

LOL, are you for real. If it was not us it would have been someone else.

Ray

I have a submit pass with elephantlist and I get quite a few sales from it... Maybe your galleries just suck.

Then i would bash them.

Paid accounts will be the future but something will change. Right now everyone and his brother is trying to sell accounts while AT LEAST half of them arent worth the money. This simply cant continue. People will stop buying.
There will be a few good places left to buy accounts like pichunter and tommy's. Half of the crap you sell will eventually die out. Not as a tgp i mean but people wont renew forever @ 60 bucks a month for 5k hits.

If you can't afford $50/month for a submit pass you're in the wrong biz... Don't blame submitpasses or the tgp's for the way things are going. Blame the affiliate program models that keep turning more and more surfers into webmasters, it's oversaturated this industry.

The small fish won't last long unless they're willing to invest back into the business.

Do what you have to do and i will do that as well. Yours is to make money which is good for you, mine is to stop webmasters from giving you thumbs up. They should realize whats happening here instead of following the hype like sheep.

Theres the problem. Its not 50 a month dude. Its 50 sites at 50 a month. I dont mind to spend money to make money but its getting ridiculous. Even more because most of them simply arent even worth the 50 bucks. Which you only find out after you spent it.

but why should it be over? and the traffic wasn't free. its an exchange, we make quality galleries in exchange for the traffic. and if it wasn't for the 'free traffic for years' the sites would not be what they are today.

All of mine make back alot more profit than what they cost... I've got 6 passes from submitpasses on the bigger sites. Not sure how anyone can submit 30 galleries and not make back $40-$100 to cover the cost.

Unless your galleries aren't getting listed, but then it's probably something you're doing wrong, not them. Talk with the tgp owners if you're having problems getting listed, chances are it's something that will be easily changed.

Yup...and if a quality site moves to free hosted galleries it will lose it visitors for sure.

Get over it, the tgp business has changed... Affiliate programs all offer hosted galleries now. If you ran a big tgp why would you give away free traffic when you could profit using hosted galleries or selling passes?

Sure it will,

www.ampland.com

Their alexa rating sure makes it look like the site has crashed and burned :1orglaugh

The problem here is that YOU guys cost webmasters MORE money! Your service is only beneficial to YOU and the tgp owner. Submitters get screwed royally in the arse.

Then don't buy, simple enough... I'm a happy submitpasses customer.

The less customers they have, the better off their existing customers are.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...w.ampland.com/

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Barely a noteable decline... it's happened with all tgp's, even free submit ones
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ww.thehun.com/

Over saturation...

I bet he's laughing all the way to the bank and making 10 times more than he was using submitted galleries.

a hosted gallery link dump is not a tgp. i wouldn't make a tgp but if i did i would use all the submitted galleries to build up backlinks, which result in good seo placement. something hosted galleries can't do. hosted galleries also usually have shitty descriptions writen by non english speaking people. they also have little to no text which means fuck all for search engine hits. on top of that unless each tgp has custom hosted galleries surfers are gonna see the same thing over and over and eventually stop going there.

as for paid submissions, it seems like its says that tgp owners can't make good enough money anymore with their front and catagory pages, with the 1000's upon 1000's of backlinks, first page google listing, etc and have to resort to selling partner accounts. either that or they're just greedy.

The 2 year graph is even more interesting...

That being said, Bike does ok with 100% FHGs...

but they built a fanbase on years and years of free quality submissions. show me a big tgp that started with only hosted galleries and still only has hosted galleries.

Why make "good money" when they can make great money? I don't see how profiting off your own site and not sharing quite as much can be considered "greedy".

Show me any big tgp that has established itself within the last 5 years ;)

Don't bash SubmitPasses for having a good idea and implementing it.

And it's benefficial for the submitters as well - it's much easier to buy your passes from 1 central site, get billed by 1 company and discuss your problems with 1 support crew.

The only drawback is that you can't buy 1-month passes (if you wanna test the new traffic) but, oh well, I can live with that hehe.

While it's true that Ray is not the most cheerful peoples on ICQ or by email, he's doing his job just fine and whenever I had a problem, someone took care of it in a day or two.

So, basically, SubmitPasses is fine with me.

And as long as free traffic goes - get used to the idea that it's over.

Btw, there are some TGPs that are totally not worth it but you should be able to see who they are and refrain from buying there. Clues are in the air and everyone with enough experience can read them just fine.

I don't see you bashing GTS for selling spots and taking away the free traffic - why is that? Isn't it the same?

I'm never buying anything from submit passes. I'd rather buy from the owner and not a middle man who simply costs me more money.

Stop the war, I'm french... lol

We got perhaps less traffic on frenchcum than others big tgps making partner accounts (on submitpass or not) but we will list all submited galleries (as far as they match category and our rules) and fast (galleries will be online in less than 30 minutes, we'll double check afterward only so you do not need to wait for a confirmation email). As it goes through thumbnails spots at first you will easely find back your gallery on our site!
I want to see partner deals like a way to make money, not to add extra money to our incomes through free hosted or own galleries : Best spots goes to partners!

Sorry to see so many people disslike partner accounts due to bad experiences... Ray do not seems such a awfull guy at all for me hehe
I understand that selling what was free since such a long time could seems a bad deal and I bet it is if tgp owners do not give more than before... just my :2 cents:

I Agree at all! :thumbsup

so they decide to take a cut so they can make more and we can make less? seems fair...except for the fact that those sites were built by gallery submitters. i remember back in the day tgps were so hungry for galleries i'd get shit listed even tho i never submitted galleries back then at all.

I think you'll find this all started from someone bashing GTS - btw they'r'e the same co

Just wanted to make a comment about his graph.

I trade traffic with him and quite a while ago he asked me a his other big trades to send our traffic to a differnt site of his. So that is the major reason of the decline is his alexa rating.

Ok, heres my take on it. There are good experiences and bad experiences with everything but the way I view it at the end of the day is that the inception of Submitpasses has got me access to sites like Marks Bookmarks, Elephantlist, Frenchcum etc, and these are sites I have wanted to submit to in the past but never did or could.

For sure there has been the odd casualty like Video Post but overall the benefits have far outweighed the negatives.

Ok fair enough.

i wonder if we will ever get to the point of having to pay to get access to pay to get a submit pass to maybe get on a site.

Stop giving them ideas :2 cents:

I completely 100% agree Stev0, I don't want to get into a pissing match with anybody but the herd is thinning and if you're not ready to invest back into your business you won't be in the adult biz very long.

DH

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I just bought a pass for frenchcum, let's see how it does. :)

PS - Drinkinghard is a tranny!

Yeah he is.

And his traffic is :thumbsup

I actually like submitpasses.

Its a free world and they are just running a biz. I see nothing wrong with that.
Thanks to submitpasses I have been able to get partneraccount that were not available to me before. Offcourse its not like every partneraccount got me the things I wanted but hey thats just like in real life right? I cant blame them for something I choose to buy myself out of my own free will. If its not satisfying I just dont renew it.

Go ahead. Flame me.