The end of P2P is near .... - GoFuckYourself.com

KRosh · 11-10-2005, 02:56 AM

chalk one up for the music industry

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/1....votz3fp6.html

Music-swapping site Grokster to shut down under settlement
Nov 07 3:27 PM US/Eastern

Grokster, the free music-swapping website that prompted a legal battle ending in the US Supreme Court, agreed to shut down its service under a settlement with the US music industry, industry officials said.

Grokster will shut down its peer-to-peer (P2P) network that had been accused of massive copyright violations, prompting a lawsuit that ended with the highest US court ruling that it contributed to piracy, according to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).

"This settlement brings to a close an incredibly significant chapter in the story of digital music," said Mitch Bainwol, chairman and chief executive of the RIAA.

"This is a chapter that ends on a high note for the recording industry, the tech community and music fans and consumers everywhere. At the end of the day, this is about our ability to invest in new music. An online marketplace populated by legitimate services allows us to do just that."

The RIAA, which spearheaded the legal effort against P2P networks, said a consent agreement would be presented to court.

"The settlement includes a permanent injunction prohibiting infringement -- directly or indirectly -- of any of the plaintiffs' copyrighted works," said the RIAA in a joint statement with the National Music Publishers Association.

"This includes ceasing immediately distribution of the Grokster client application and ceasing to operate the Grokster system and software."

In June, US Supreme Court ruled networks such as Grokster may be held liable for infringement if they encourage people to make unauthorized copies of copyrighted songs, films or other content. This opened the door for the music industry to pursue damages.

"The owners and operators of Grokster -- like numerous other online services all across the globe -- heard nine US Supreme Court justices speak in a unanimous voice -- a voice that was heard loud and clear," Bainwol said.

"As the court articulated in no uncertain terms, there is a right way and a wrong way to conduct a business. This settlement makes clear that businesses are well aware when they are operating on the wrong side of that line."

MetroPornTour · 11-10-2005, 02:59 AM

There is still IRC.

SilverTab · 11-10-2005, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MetroPornTour

There is still IRC.

and better yet...torrents...

KRosh · 11-10-2005, 03:06 AM

looks like WinMX shut down it's doors Oct 30th

ServerGenius · 11-10-2005, 03:17 AM

emule and limewire are still around aswell

potter · 11-10-2005, 03:21 AM

These types of P2P sites go down all the time. Are you new to the internet?

KRosh · 11-10-2005, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by potter

These types of P2P sites go down all the time. Are you new to the internet?

yeah i started yesterday

did you read the article ?? Grokster was ruled by 9 judges to shut down.

are you new to reading the english language??

the noobs are getting mouthy on GFY

Odin88 · 11-10-2005, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KRosh

yeah i started yesterday

did you read the article ?? Grokster was ruled by 9 judges to shut down.

are you new to reading the english language??

the noobs are getting mouthy on GFY

May end these programs in the US, just opens up the market for those offshore.

potter · 11-10-2005, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRosh

yeah i started yesterday

did you read the article ?? Grokster was ruled by 9 judges to shut down.

are you new to reading the english language??

the noobs are getting mouthy on GFY

Yesterday, I see. Well welcome to the internet. Below is some reading for you.

Napster legal battles - HERE

and a little p2p History

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Peer to Peer (P2P) Introduction and History

The first concept that is difficult for new users to grasp is that there are P2P Networks and P2P Clients, and these are not one in the same.

A P2P Network is a specific set of rules and interactions that bring together various P2P clients. A client is simply a computer application which interacts with other clients through the network. The end goal is to allow these clients to communicate meaningfully with each other (to allow the transfer of files, usually).

For example, the first popular P2P Network was the Napster network. Napster's client was the only way to access other napster users on their network. This was simple and straightforward. No confusion for the end user. In the days since, networks have emerged independent of the client software and vice-versa.
1st Generation Clients

As stated above, Napster was the original P2P application that popularized the concept to millions. The way Napster worked was quite simple. Napster (the company) hosted a central server which indexed all the files that each Napster user had. When you wanted to find a particular file, you simply "searched Napster". The process of searching simply asked the central server: "does anyone have this file?". The central server would look at its list of known files and provide you with the internet location of the other users who had the file.

The central server model made sense for many reasons -- it was an efficient way to handle searches, and allowed Napster to retain control over the network. However, what it also meant was that when the lawyers came down on Napster, all they had to do was turn off the central servers and that was the end of Napster.
2nd Generation Clients

Gnutella was the second major P2P network that emerged. After Napster's demise, the creators of Gnutella wanted to create a de-centralized network -- one that could not be shut down by simply turning off a server.

In the most basic sense, Gnutella worked by connecting users to other users directly (and bypassing any central server altogether). When you started the Gnutella client, you would connect to a certain number of other users, and those users were connected to other users etc... in one giant network. In order to search for a file, you asked everyone you were connected to "hey, do you have this file?". They in turn would see if they do, and also pass the message on to all the people they were connected to. Basically, it was one big game of "telephone".

The main advantage was that it couldn't easily be shut down. The disadvantages were many -- including slow searches and islands of sub-networks that weren't connected to each other.
3rd Generation Clients

Well, and technology marches forward, as always... and clever programmers found ways to improve these networks and improve file transfer speeds.

Fasttrack is perhaps the most famous of this generation of networks. You may recognize it as Kazaa, or Grokster or Morpheus... but it's all the same. Fasttrack is the name of the network. Kazaa, Grokster and Morpheus are the names of the different clients that connect to the Fasttrack Network. What that means is that users of any of those clients had access to the exact same files.

Fasttrack added a number of enhancements to the P2P networks, including supernodes, and spawning. These improvements both helped searches as well as download speeds.

Despite legal battles, the Fasttrack network remains operational, and is the most popular P2P network.
The Future

P2P Networks and Clients have been the focus of much legal action. The music industry is the most threatened by the advent of P2P networks with the easy sharing of audio files. As a result, they have initiated a Legal war which brought Napster to an end. Since that time, they have been unsuccessful in shutting down FastTrack (Kazaa). As a result, they are now aiming their sites at end-users. The drama is still unfolding.

chazer · 11-10-2005, 03:53 AM

Just about anything good in those types of programs come from one place and it's been around since before napster

and for conveniece, sign-up torrent sites are where it's at, the stricter the sign ups the better

gangbangjoe · 11-10-2005, 03:56 AM

bearshare still working

StickyGreen · 11-10-2005, 03:57 AM

as long as people keep posting shit at the message board i goto i'll be happy...

ejeet · 11-10-2005, 04:01 AM

Nice $$$ from DRM on P2P networks for those who know how to utilize it ;)

internexxnl · 11-10-2005, 04:06 AM

well enough other p2p programs around so it may take a very long time to get them all down. In mean time many new programs will launch, so I think it will last for a long time.

adonthenet · 11-10-2005, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by internexxnl

well enough other p2p programs around so it may take a very long time to get them all down. In mean time many new programs will launch, so I think it will last for a long time.

exactly!

Matt 26z · 11-10-2005, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KRosh

looks like WinMX shut down it's doors Oct 30th

Tons of people are still using it with this patch...

http://www.winmxgroup.com/

Vitasoy · 11-10-2005, 06:52 AM

There will always be other alternatives.

Stallion · 11-10-2005, 06:54 AM

Edonkey is still up.

Brad Gosse · 11-10-2005, 07:36 AM

Grokster was small compared to the others. I was under the impression they were shut down for promoting their product as a music download application.

THe larger guys just call it file sharing.

Nathan · 11-10-2005, 07:40 AM

There are systems which can not be shut down, because they have no company or organization behind them..

BitTorrents are your friends...

DTK · 11-10-2005, 07:44 AM

Grokster was just a client for the FastTrack network and a poorly-regarded one at that. Them shutting down really doesn't mean much of anything. P2P ain't going nowhere

11-10-2005, 02:56 AM	#1
KRosh So Fucking Outlawed Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,114	The end of P2P is near .... chalk one up for the music industry http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/1....votz3fp6.html Music-swapping site Grokster to shut down under settlement Nov 07 3:27 PM US/Eastern Grokster, the free music-swapping website that prompted a legal battle ending in the US Supreme Court, agreed to shut down its service under a settlement with the US music industry, industry officials said. Grokster will shut down its peer-to-peer (P2P) network that had been accused of massive copyright violations, prompting a lawsuit that ended with the highest US court ruling that it contributed to piracy, according to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). "This settlement brings to a close an incredibly significant chapter in the story of digital music," said Mitch Bainwol, chairman and chief executive of the RIAA. "This is a chapter that ends on a high note for the recording industry, the tech community and music fans and consumers everywhere. At the end of the day, this is about our ability to invest in new music. An online marketplace populated by legitimate services allows us to do just that." The RIAA, which spearheaded the legal effort against P2P networks, said a consent agreement would be presented to court. "The settlement includes a permanent injunction prohibiting infringement -- directly or indirectly -- of any of the plaintiffs' copyrighted works," said the RIAA in a joint statement with the National Music Publishers Association. "This includes ceasing immediately distribution of the Grokster client application and ceasing to operate the Grokster system and software." In June, US Supreme Court ruled networks such as Grokster may be held liable for infringement if they encourage people to make unauthorized copies of copyrighted songs, films or other content. This opened the door for the music industry to pursue damages. "The owners and operators of Grokster -- like numerous other online services all across the globe -- heard nine US Supreme Court justices speak in a unanimous voice -- a voice that was heard loud and clear," Bainwol said. "As the court articulated in no uncertain terms, there is a right way and a wrong way to conduct a business. This settlement makes clear that businesses are well aware when they are operating on the wrong side of that line." __________________ ICQ 115433750

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DTK Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The 510 Posts: 4,545	Grokster was just a client for the FastTrack network and a poorly-regarded one at that. Them shutting down really doesn't mean much of anything. P2P ain't going nowhere __________________ Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.