http://www.SuicideGirls.com added to blacklist...reason: dumbasses

I cannot believe what idiots these fucks are. I would have dropped their sorry asses after the first fucking email. In this day in age with so much content around no sponsor is a position to act like that as far as I am concerned.

For what it?s worth my program converts that type of traffic pretty well. It is not goth but it has a lot of high boot and latex stuff which sells pretty well on that kind of traffic. If you want to check it out take a look at my sig. Thanks for the heads up on Suicide Girls. I had been thinking of giving them a try, but obviously I will not now.

I am sorta speechless on this one...Not sure what the heck to make out of this..lol

-=Chipmunk=-

i'm going to bump this shit until its fucking locked or I die

FUCK THE SUCIDEGIRLS

their totally off my list

They are a novelty right now. When that wears off and the traffic starts slowing, they will be begging for affiliates.

imho

Those emails are rediculous. They're called AFFILIATE programs for a reason - if you treat your affiliates and employees like shit, your company is going to go down the toilet. :2 cents:

hmm how did i miss this gem..

I dont think people should be allowed to smoke crack and operate a computer at the same time. Should be a law or something.

Simon,

I know its not exactly the same type of site, but Ill bet they will outconvert the same traffic you sent to SG.
I work for Cams.com and AFF, not these guys, but Ive met them and they seem like solid stand up people- http://www.burningangel.com/

And the best part, they dont even have an affiliate program!
Why do I think thats good? Because it means that they havent settled into any one specific niche of marketing and are probably willing to try new ideas.
I'll bet you could help them become even more successful and they could give you a quality product to market.

I just went to the site and it says buy swag - but to my knowledge isn't swag stuff that is given out for free to promote a company? - These people are idiots

aico contact me

BTW.....When is GodsGirls going to Launch?
I've been following it for some time. I was curious who's running it and whom I can get ahold of.

BTW if they'd (SG's)put me through that set of loops we'd never have even sent a click, let alone a join.
I cut off a program about 3 months ago for that.
Mind you perhaps this is them just going with the flow of starting a new program but that's the kind of thing you work out far in advance before you launch a program. In the future new program owners should ask around and see what they should set up in terms of a TOS. You'd learn a lot by just asking.


An ICQ will do.

Thanks

bump bump

SG , i will fucking run your name into the ground you money stealing faggots

Actually, they are under contract to SpookyCash. Just haven't launched the affiliate tour yet.

hmm... I think we're all on the same page here... killsh0t, amelia *curtseys to both*...

The long and the short of it would be simple, FUCK SG. I realize this is an adult webmasters complaint site, however, the issue of how that site treats people like shit came up and I feel like a walking testimonial to that, having been their top-rated model at one point, and now one of their largest dissenters.

I would like to say that instead of maligning Deviant Nation, who would have launched by late Spring of 2003, if SG hadn?t been legally lynching them since then, and who would probably love to have a good working relationship with y'all... that you should realize, you think YOU got fucked over by them NOFX, or anyone else? Try being in court for YEARS cos of Suicide Girls and false charges, it?s AWESOME...

I've seen my name on their case files. And I didn't get some modelling shit end of the stick, thanks. I got sued for bogus copyright infringement for attempting to create a site (Deviant Nation) with 3 other people, one of whom is still pursuing this, despite now being taken to FEDERAL court on a BULLSHIT criminal case. Nice, eh? How could we commit infringement on something that wasn?t launched yet, btw? Right?

They've got their Cease & Desist letters ready to go.

Last I heard, ViviQ didn't even like the fucking site. She?s under pressure from the owners, primarily one.

Their attorney, Paul Loving, might be in trouble for an ethics violation, with all of those frivolous lawsuits.

The models are leaving in droves. Heads Up. I know all 8 sides to that story.

It's run by a guy... 100%... I like to explain it like this-- think Howard Hughes. *Snap*...

And they DO know they are a porn site, but since have branded themselves as something else, it's hard for them to confess, mainly because their model and member base comes from the people who don't want to be involved with porn. Why they took it upon themselves to create an affiliates program is beyond me, except, sigh, their profits are down, having taken a beating when their models left due to mistreatment (something I've never heard about from either Amelia's or Killsh0t's sites, and I am privy to what your models say when you are not around on private boards, you know you two can rest easy), don't support that shit. Spread the word!

They've been talking about selling the site to a big porn conglomerate since 2002. Once they do, they won't use you anymore, and you won't have to deal with those psychopaths either. They really ARE just out to scam ya if you realize they are trying to sell... and that they're hurting for cash... even with all the free promo they get from their models and members, who do it thinking they are NOT part of a pr0n site. A few models have gone and conned their parents into memberships. It's amazing how good they are at brainwashing, seriously. If the models and members KNEW that they WERE part of a typical porn site that had contrived the market angling they had through this kind of branding, doubt they'd get the free promo out of them... they spin lies to make people feel they are part of some big community, when SG hates their community as much as any other part of the site except the part that goes ca-ching.

You think they are fucked up primadonnas to you, btw? You should see what they do to the models. Threats to kick them off for the most minor offenses... requests for more stickers?! Disliking PEACHES!? Don't like what you say on the Politics Boards?! Hang out with models who have left the site, on their own time? And for me, a few things... I was "too sexual" for their site... it?s controlled like a bad pimp would. They ?own? their models, according to them. And their members!

Plus, nothing says love like a lawsuit. Be careful with these fuckers. They're slippery. If you get jacked for money, btw, you can still usually get a CC chargeback and you can always call the BBB, who seems to be getting a good deal of complaints these days... try it, you might like it.

Everyone hates them. Except the ones who don't realize it yet. Passing fad. And they are not Goth, hahaha, riiiight, whatevah. Not punk either. Not... anything except really greedy and controlling. I hate porn and I still have more respect for 99% of the traditional sites out there after learning by modeling for the worst first (SG).

oh, hey, DN is launching... they are in beta now and their community is banging, seriously...

I'm sure they'll launch once they don't have SG on their ass, having pushed the Federal trial on them. Cut 'em a little slack. They've had a rough fucking time and are STILL fighting that shit.

Their preview looks like a total SG ripoff. http://www.deviantnation.com/preview/

Seriously, how fucking hard would it be to come up with their own style?

That's geigh. Maybe they've been busy in court. And how the fuck does that look like SG? Anymore than any other site... it has... text... and pictures... I don't like the logo but that's just me. I don't think it looks like SG, but that's not really what my post was about... I hate SG more than anyone, and have seen people more screwed by them than anyone too! Hi, we are friends in our hate... what of it? I'm not a webmaster, just was corroborating that yeah, they're scamming IMHO.

So, I think I was writing about how much I hate SG, and then added that DN had a good community for a beta site, esp. after almost 3 years of SG fucking them in court, and you might want to hit them up for promo in the future, since they were mentioned here and all... and I've BEEN on a lot of sites, so I'm not lame to what makes a site solid, thanks. I've seen the inner workings of many sites, and know who's shady and who's not... and also where models and members are happy and where they're not, ditto staff... and I know where hits are flying, don't get me started on this shit...

An "A" from me means a bit... 'specially since I don't like pr0n. That's why I gave Amelia and Killsh0t a nice curtsey...

If you wanna complain, knock yourself out... but at least aim in the right direction, and in this case, I think that's prolly how much SG fucking blows. Try constructive criticism too, betcha DN wouldn't mind it, maybe they'll make you some dough some day, without being a pain in the ass, I derno, they're good people though...

damn ... what dumb fucking idiots.

:2 cents:

-P

Man... I wouldn't have even put up with the first fuckin e-mail...... :1orglaugh

Really, what a bunch of complete tossers..

I hope they show up at an Internext some time... Would love to laugh at them.

Are you retarded?

Serious question. Because if you are, I'll hold back on flaming you.

I'm not looking for Showdown in Little Tokyo, pup. Simmer down. You seem to have an axe to grind... put it in the right place, and keep it the fuck away from me -- I'm not interested in some flame-fest over a site's web design, that would be pretty retarded, actually.

Talk about what matters, which is whether or not Suicide Girls will rip you off. And the answer there is "I WOULD SAY YES."

If you want to talk about DN's web design, email their owner.

I'm a fan of many sites... and would give props to many mentioned here... DN, FB, GG, EBPM, and BB. I don't think those sites are fucking people over, and I have either modelled for, or made out with the owners of or the models of or the member base of, or sat on the phone at 5 am with the owners of all of those sites! Good people.

Give them love. Give SG your hate. They deserve it. Look at how they treat their affiliates. Not to mention, their models didn't want to be part of the affiliates program. Do you know that the owner said mad smack about "affiliates" in like 2002? And told his models he would never do that to them? Models are leaving cos they don't want to be a part of this. Cos they were enticed into modelling by being conned into believing that their pr0n site was not a nudie site but an artsy cute site or some shit.

It's a really ugly, dysfunctional one-way street.

Bottom line: FUCK THAT SITE and BE CAREFUL.

I don't spend much time checking out porn site design, so what the Hell would I know about it? Nothing, really... I was pointing out that the site DN was tied up in legal crap for ages thanks to SG... and...? This makes me retarded? I'm not committed to any site and am not out to prove anything... I was making my own half-assed observation and would be the first person to tell you I am not really concerned with a beta site's site design, like I said, I don't even like porn.

I just seem to be surrounded by porn people... what to do?

P.S. SG really can go fuck itself. You seemed to have missed the part where I explained that they had their cease and desist letters raring to go and that I was trying to warn others about that. And that their lawyer was due up for an ethics complaint, potentially. And that you can get your money back, to the people complaining they were jacked. I've known plenty of people who were able to do that. They're exploiting everyone... models, members, and affiliates. The models don't want to be part of the affiliates program, the affiliates program doesn't want to be a part of their holier than thou shit... it's a match made in Hell. Sort of like the Playboy fiasco.

They aren't as big as they seem, either. Marketing scam to make them look bigger.

--added because I can't edit my last post... and while I've modelled for sites in the past, I don't model currently, kind of seemed ambiguous there--

No, an adult using the the word "geigh" is retarded. Someone posing for a porn site without realizing she's on a porn site, is retarded. That person saying she hates porn, is even more retarded.

Yes, SG are annoying idiots that no serious webmaster should do business with. That doesn't excuse your idiotic incoherent rant in any way, though, nor does it mean that it isn't a generally good idea to keep your website style as far as possible from that of a website in a similar niche that you are in a lawsuit with.

C&D letters are utterly harmless, though. I'd think that the fact that they scammed the starter of this thread out of money is a bigger threat to webmasters thinking of using them.

And I'm a lottery winner, potentially.

Yes. You told all us porn guys that chargebacks are easy to do. Thank you for reminding us of that.

Exploiting? No more than McDonalds is exploiting the idiots who eat it. If people fall for marketing bullshit, that's their own fault.


And I'll leave it at this. This crap is wasting my time.

that boggled my mind too.

sorry but I don't get the issue here... I think the fact that I don't like porn makes me more impartial when I say hey, some of the sites are pretty cool to work with.

I'm not currently being legally harassed by SG. I was in the past, 3 years ago now.

Chargebacks were mentioned since some people said they were out of cash because of this. If it's a touchy subject, sorry too...

It's too bad you want to knock me so badly when I'm trying to be of help. WTF is up with that? I was only trying to save a few folks from getting fucked with and regretting a bad deal, Jesus.

they suck!!!

I need a new tat2

Cease and Desists are nothing, until they sue you over them... they do that, you know... SG folks are trigger-happy. I was giving a Caveat Emptor myself because I felt bad for the OG poster of this thread, having seen a lot of crap firsthand.

I agree that no one should pose for SG, but they are pretty good at snockering in young girls who think it's not porn. You ever see them argue about if they are even shooting for a porn site or not? I have. It's weird. They used to advertise in Portland newspapers as an "Artistic Modelling Site," back in 2001... it's creepy. So many of their wannabe models are like 15, 16, and don't get it because it's presented so differently. Yeah, it sucks! I agree completely.

Did the two people in this thread who fell for SG's affiliates shit feel a little duped? That's probably a better word to have used than exploited... I'm curious... if they knew what they were getting into, they would not have put up with SG's song and dance, right?

Whoa, you lost me, sorry, what website am I a part of now? I have a few comp. accounts and 3 years ago was part of a site. No more. By choice. I have my own business and work for a non-profit on the side.
I'm not promo'ing for ANY site.
I'm not part of any site.
Is that what you thought? That would seem janky, sure. But that's not where I was coming from.

i cant believe how much you did for them.. fuck! talk about working against your affiliates...!

I'll throw in a free bump

fuck SuicideGirls

never promote them

lol, enjoy your stay AntiDia. :)

fuck SG

fuck SG

fuck SG

:thumbsup My pleasure *bump*

Affiliate programs like this make me laugh. I've had similar albeit no where near as pathetic and pedantic as yours and there is no way on earth I would have bent over for all their rules. Thanks for the heads up!