i dont see the liberals as the middle party at all, there is so much division province to province that there is no longer such thing as a middle party.

I DO NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE IN THIS LOOSER COUNTRY...FOR ALL I CARE THEY CAN ALL GO FUCK THEMSELVES!!!

Looser ass country....by the way i am unfortunatly Canadian....the land where we get robbed and vote the same fuckers in again for another Robery....bravo.

If you polled the rest of Canada, I'm pretty sure most of them wouldn't have been for spending that money.

I got the opportunity to speak with a Dr.Dre and Dr.Guile as well as a couple of other French Canadians back in May and I got a whole new appreciation for the reasons why Quebec wants to separate.

I still don't AGREE with it, but I have a better understanding of their position. My understanding as a Westerner was always that Quebecers felt superior to the rest of Canada. That right there is going to be cause for a lack of mutual respect. However, after my talks with both Nationalists and Separatists it was more clear to me that it was simply a lack of recognition of their culture. There was no feeling of superiority, just that they were different and wanted to be recognized as such, as well as protect their heritage.

THAT I have no problem with. If most other Canadians understood that, they PROBABLY wouldn't have such a problem with it either. But with people like Lucien Bouchard and Jacques Parizeau grandstanding on behalf of the Quebec people, the message was clearly lost on the rest of Canada. I was fortunate enough to be in a position to get to understand-as well as WANT to understand-the reasoning. Unfortunately, most of Western Canada sees things quite differently.

I see our education system has failed you.

Oh nevermind. Location: Quebec.

Yeah like in the US with their bullshit war and the outing of a CIA operative by the Vice President... the voters really showed them in the last election.

Wake up - corruption wasn't invented by the liberals. I bet there was as many wrong things done by the conservatives before. The difference is the Liberals cleaned up the finances (from a $50 billion deficit by the conservatives to 8 years of surpluses, lower taxes, etc).

And you can rest assured the liberals won't do something as stupid as the sponsorship program again.

do you realize that by voting Bloc you are helping the Conservatives taking power? They fucking HATE quebec, you'll be in a WAY worse position.

yes you can steal millions and millions and be forgiven because you might not do it again.

we are seriously laughable. :1orglaugh

Do you realize that if the Bloc wasn't there, the liberals would be a majority government right now? Their arrogance would be a million times stronger.

In fact, separatists should all vote Harper ... Separation would then be done in a jiffy .... :2 cents:

Bye bye Bosco...don't let the door smack your ass on the way out.

Majority liberals is good.

Did you see what they did in the past 12 years?

If they were in majority now, they wouldn't have had to waste billions to make every political party happy in the budget. They'd keep paying down debt and lowering taxes.

In the end, I want low taxes, the lowest debt possible and a good economy. That's the liberals. Who cares if $100 millions was lost when they are saving us $10 billion / year in debt service (interests) now? Do you REALLY think the conservatives would have done the same thing had they been in power for the past 12 years? We'd be at war in Iraq, we'd have deficits and higher taxes. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

If anyone needs confrimation of Harpers extreme right wing stance do a litte research on something called the "Calgary School"

Here are a couple of Articles that do a reasonable job of explaining just how disastrous Harper would be for Canada.

http://mr.open-publishing.be/news/20...51_comment.php

"The Man Behind Stephen Harper
The Walrus Magazine, October 2004
by Marci MacDonald
Consternation rumbled across the country like an approaching thunderhead. For aboriginal leaders, one of their worst nightmares appeared about to come true. Two weeks before last June's federal election, pollsters were suddenly predicting that Conservative leader Stephen Harper might pull off an upset and form the next government. What worried many in First Nations' circles was not Harper himself, but the man poised to become the real power behind his prime ministerial throne: his national campaign director Tom Flanagan, a U.S.-born professor of political science at the University of Calgary.
Most voters had never heard of Flanagan, who has managed to elude the media while helping choreograph Harper's shrewd, three-year consolidation of power. But among aboriginal activists, his name set off alarms. For the past three decades, Flanagan has churned out scholarly studies debunking the heroism of Metis icon Louis Riel, arguing against native land claims, and calling for an end to aboriginal rights. Those stands already made him a controversial figure, but four years ago, his book, First Nations? Second Thoughts, sent tempers off the charts."


http://wrf.ca/comment/article.cfm?ID=137

"
The Calgary School and the Future of Canada
September 2005 - V. 24 I. 6
by Dr. David T. Koyzis
Half a century ago, Harvard political scientist Louis Hartz (1919-1986) wrote The Liberal Tradition in America in which he advanced an intriguing explanation for the unique political culture of the United States. According to Hartz, because immigrants from the British Isles tended to come disproportionately from the poorer and marginal classes, they brought with them only a fragment of the total political culture of the old country. While Britain's political life was dominated by the dynamics of a fading feudalism, America was populated by those for whom feudalism was an increasingly remote memory. As a consequence, while a collectivistic conservatism persisted in Britain, and while socialism would come into its own there by the turn of the twentieth century, the American political culture would be monolithically dominated by a fairly narrow slice of Lockean liberalism, with its individualism and suspicion of government and the welfare state."




:2 cents:

Harper scares me - he looks like one of those guys who all the neighbours say 'he's so quiet; such a nice man' until they find out he has 20 bodies buried in his backyard.

I usually vote Liberal federally but Cretien left the party in such a mess.

I'll probably vote NDP with the hope that they get enough seats to keep the Conservatives from running the show with a huge majority. A system of checks and balances is what we need. Plus, even if the NDP do come into power (highly unlikely) I can't imagine they'd give more money to the poor than Cretien gave to his big-business cronies for so many years.

Liberals have been good for the economy.

But let's not forget the world economy, mainly the reduction in interest rates.
If the rates today were the ones of 12 years ago, you would have a deficit :2 cents:


BTW, I didn't see lower taxes ... nor the GST dissapear as promised .. I am probably asleep at the switch :1orglaugh

people from alberta should lose their vote..as obviously they cant remember they are part of a country...wtf is going on in alberta to make people there feellike they are running things?

you make oil...get over it...the oil belongs to all of us

If you didn't see lower taxes, you're not running a business and making tons of money. But even the poor got tax breaks.


So about the deficit, how do you explain we're the only country in the G8 with surpluses 8 years running? Why is the US knee deep in deficits now? The more you borrow, the more the interest will rise in the long run.

read this: "Over the past two decades, it appears that the Canadian three month T-bill rate increased by at least 50 basis points for each percentage point increase in the current account deficit as a percentage of GDP. There is no guarantee that an impact of this magnitude will hold in the future, but it is a strong indication that lower foreign borrowing by Canada should result in considerably lower real interest rates than those experienced in the past."


Face it: the liberals did a great fucking job.

As for the GST, do we need to go over the reasons why we don't want to run a deficit again? Without GST there's a deficit, higher interest rates, higher taxes, lower standard of living, etc.

since when did Alberta AT ALL run things, it is the fact that the east wants to run us, its called HAVE and HAVE NOT provinces, no one likes paying extra for someone in the east who chooses to sit on welfare.

and since when does ALBERTA not want to be apart of Canada?

the referendum was in Quebec, not here, where are you getting this from?

let me guess you're voting liberal.

and anyway we make the most $ and have the fastest growing population so shouldnt we run things?

i totally agree with you,

i would rather have THE BLOC in power then these scumbag liberals. ANYTHING i mean ANYTHING to stop them from having a majority govt.

What would happen if that logic were applied to all of society?

Besides, it wasn't just "$100 million" - the adscam was over $300 million, then another $30 million for the inquiry. Oh, and if John Q. Public wants to read all the sordid details spelled out in the Gomery commission's report, it'll cost us $50 bucks per copy.

Let's not forget the $2 billion the Liberals somehow dumped in to a farce of a gun registry database? How the fuck they made that money vanish is way beyond my ability to comprehend. Despite the $2 billion investment , gun violence in places like Toronto has risen astronomically since the registry.

What about that failed helicopter contract the Liberals blew more money on? How many more hundreds of millions was pissed down the drain on that fiasco? But we got a bargain from the Brits on those subs, didn't we? Gotta thank the Liberals for those "previously enjoyed subs" purchased sight-unseen over eBay.

If I were CEO of a huge corporation and embezzled a few million bucks...but at the same time generated big profits for the shareholders, would those same shareholders turn a blind eye to my illegalities and allow me to continue holding office?

Feds aside, here in Ontario we've got McSquinty...yet another douchebag Liberal who would fail every polygraph test known to man. This man couldn't find accountability if it were shoved up his ass in suppository form. I'm hardpressed to come up with a single political issue this clown hasn't waffled on since taking office (oh, except for putting smiles on the faces of overpaid educationalists).


SilentKnight

and since when does "the oil belong to all of us" to bad that idiot TRUDEAU wasnt shot down.

we do not live in a communist state, the oil is OURS, you do not drill it, you do not refine it, how is it yours? come live here in Alberta if you want to be apart of it, dont sit 4 provinces over and act like you have a hand in it for sitting on your computer.

Not only do I recognize the uniqueness of the FRENCH culture in Quebec, I also recognize and appreciate the uniqueness of the INDIAN, CHINESE, JAPANESE, KOREAN, and every other culture that has made Canada (specifically Vancouver) their home. Everyday I get to interact with people from varying backgrounds and I very much respect their views and ways of life. In fact, we have culture pockets popping up everywhere, from Little India, to Chinatown, etc., and they even have the freedom to put up signs in their native languages.

Now tell me, why (and how) should I value the French culture above these other immigrant cultures?

101 :glugglug

I voted for the liars. :uhoh They are all fucking liars.

Trudeau couldn't be shot down - he was hiding out dodging the draft in nothern Quebec, remember? :winkwink:

I was born in Red Deer...will you please fill my tank?

yes. :)

shall we go over all the spending of the previous governments too? You'll see it's ridiculous.

Overall the liberals did a great job - far better than conservatives or NPD would do.

I'm not saying we should piss away billions - I want as much money saved so we can lower debt and taxes. The liberals have showed that's what they do. If the conservatives take power, we'll see where they lead us.

Nothing is perfect and the liberals aren't perfect either - but they're better than any other party right now

We shouldn't value anyone's culture. We should value a CANADIAN culture. This is why we are losing the country. All of these immigrants being fed up with the system. Well guess what, you didn't make this system.

I prefer the US policy. You come to this country, you become AMERICAN. Sure people may fly an Armenian flag at their house. But right beside it is a US flag.

Canada bends over and let's people do what they want and then gives them a vote.

Meta's da' man :thumbsup

Of course its ridiculous...by all parties. But there's a big difference between ridiculous spending - and blatant criminal accounting.

Again, "nothing is perfect" is meant to sound trivializing to the millions that the Liberals have outright stolen from the taxpayers and pumped in to their cronies pockets throughout Quebec.

Hey, I'm willing to accept it and might even consider voting Liberal come next election - if these fuckers are charged and tossed in jail like any other Canadian citizen would be if the shoe were on the other foot.

But so far it appears as if the Liberal party are happy to just spend the millions on the Gomery commission, name a few names...and let bygones be bygones. Its insult to injury to every hardworking Canadian taxpayer.


SilentKnight

Metaman will be happy :)

Next time I drive through Alberta, can I get a free tank of gas? Thanks.

You know what...
You are Canadian. Get over and Learn to live with it.

Or shut the fuck and move to the United States.

They finally opened the border after 2 years of Albertan Boo Hoo-in so you shouldn't have a problem crossing it now.

And on a practical scale....
Saskatchewan is poor and broke.
Manitoba is native and they don't want nazis
B.C. has tree huggers and leans NDP or sometimes Social Credit in their views.

So it's always going to be up to Ontario and Quebec. Ontario isn't going to forget Mulroney.

I don't care how popular the conversvatives are in the Western provinces. They aren't going to form the Goverment.

hehe everything is basically privitized in Alberta as is, i wouldnt mind seeing the rest of the country seeing how much we have to pay to live in alberta,

ANYTHING but the liberals, KLEIN i loved here, absolutley loved.

i would answer you but you are an anal slut who thinks the world gives a fuck what content has to say, get back infront of the camera.

Glad to know your a fan of my work.

And by the way... this quebecoise gets $1000 for an anal scene. Shouldn't be too hard for Mr. Oilman to cover.

I'll even let you lube my ass with sea bass oil.

haha i still got love for you. :)

HaHa...

That's not love ..... :1orglaugh

Just don't vote NDP. I'd rather have the slime of society sent off to war (vote conservative) than taken care of in nice public housing.

NDP, I don't care if people think they are "throwing away their vote" It will help them get official party status.

vote or die

Only an NDP voter would throw an opinion in before reading any fact (ie this thread) first.

:thumbsup