MetaMan

the liberals openly steal money and you will vote for them anyway,
it goes as usual, the east takes money from the west so the fishermen and french people can sit around on unemployment for 6 months.

i am voting for harper.

Jay_StandAhead

I'm guessing you're for a bigger military and you want Canada to join the war in Iraq? You'd like to lose liberties to and have a "patriot-act" clone in Canada too? Cause that's Harper right there.

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Alberta/Manitoba are turning even more Conservative just out of distaste for the libs which is really too bad. The west is going Conservative crazy.

Captain Canada

The thread title is wrong - it should be called "Who are the people of Ontario going to make Prime Minister" - and dont hold your breath hoping for a Conservative outcome.

Also regarding the honesty of Layton - the only way people will think of him as honest is if he finally comes out of the large closet he's been living in for the last 40 or so years - and it wouldn't hurt if he dumps that loser of a so called wife he has.

NoCarrier

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MetaMan

no its not, stop creating things up in your head.

who the fuck else should we vote for? the liberals who openly want more money from us?

the fag french who openly want more money from us?

the loser NDPs who want no one to work and for us to pay for them?

Alberta is united, not like the rest of the country.

you will see 99% conservative voting here.

directfiesta

Don't guess...

He is that ... aside from a " War" supporter ...

What he forgets is that Ontario/Quebec subsidized his shit hole for decades ... till they found oil ...

Oupsss... he wasn't here at that time, he was in Ukraine....

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MetaMan

born in winnipeg, i am canadian, get your facts straight.

directfiesta is voting for whatever party will help his relatives remain on welfare.

so thats the liberals/block

do you guys in quebec just flip a coin these days?

NoCarrier

And he recently doubled his yearly income with the 400$ check he received (or will receive) from Alberta.

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MetaMan

here comes the french squad, WHOOOOOOOPY, hopefully all of you have your white flags with you.

id rather have $400 in my pocket then in the hands of some drunk fishermen.

BradM

Why would we want Bush's anal buddy in office?

Harper is a Bilderberger: http://www.thunderbay.indymedia.org/...?theme=default

Good guy, yeah. For sure.

NoCarrier

It's kinda ironic coming from someone with a serious drinking problem.

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MetaMan

QUEBEC - we are so oppressed


wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

QUEBEC - respect our french heritage

wahhhhhhhhhh


QUEBEC - we need more money from those redneck bastards out west, am i expected to work!?

wahhhhhhhhhh

QUEBEC =

MetaMan

if drinking once-twice a week is a serious problem then cruisify me.

i can drink, work, make money and still pay taxes.

sounds like some places out east have trouble doing 1 out of the 3.

BradM

Hey Meta... you even got their flag colors on that blanket. NICE.

BradM

Don't get me wrong Meta, I understand WHY you're voting the way you are along with the rest of the west. I just have different opinions.

NoCarrier

95% of your posts from the past 2 years = you being completely drunk. And most of the time before noon.

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MetaMan

its all good, there is an obvious division in canada that will never change. to bad there were smart french people left who realised by seperating they would have to work/start their own economy.

NoCarrier

Finally, something smart coming from you. It's time to change the relations. This country isn't working anymore.

If I was an Albertan I would vote for Harper. I can't believe idiots will still vote for the Liberals. In another country and democracy, the Liberals would be burned alive. I don't understand why Ontario still believe in them. The "I'd rather vote for criminals" is pure bullshit.

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MetaMan

nothing will change though, all you can do is go out and vote and say you tried to do your part.

most of these people do not care that the liberals openly stold millions upon millions because they did not work for it.

i will laugh at canada (as usual) when they ARE voted back in.

directfiesta

The ones bussed in to vore for the " NO" .... ???

They were not french, not more than the thousands of immigrants that got their " express citizenship" ....

BTW, if we are so much of a burden, why all this " Please Stay" or " lets spend money in Quebec to promote Canada " shit .... Are you guys masochist ?

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MetaMan

since when did anyone in the west want to spend money to promote quebec?

i have a question, do the french in ontario agree with the french in quebec on the majority of issues, or is there a division there?

BradM

I don't see why the rest of Canada can't vote Quebec out. I am sick of their constant shit. "Special status" this and "Veto" that. You're not going to get it, so leave.

I will give them that 65% of FRENCH Quebecers voted for seperation... so the real ones want to leave. The immigrants want to be Canadian while living in Frenchville.

directfiesta

NoCarrier is right : you ARE drunk...

Where did I say " promote Quebec " ....

When you are sober, read the post.

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GlydeGirl

I'd love to see an end to majority governments altogether -- I MUCH prefer the idea of coalition gov'ts and the STV system. I'm so sick of the pendulum swinging violently from left to right every time a new party gets the "majority" vote -- nothing ever gets done properly! I believe that if the parties were forced to work cooperatively with each other on a long term basis, we'd get much more progress happening in the "middle of the road".

MetaMan

you are drunk if you think the west was saying "please stay" or if you think that the west in the first place thinks quebec is apart of canada let alone spend money on "promoting canada" in it.

BradM

Maura: That's why no one has asked what you believe.
Do you want to see political deadlock for the next 100 years? Coalitions of EXTREME right and EXTREME left views working together? Sorry - you're way off base it will never work.
The only reason Canada has lasted THIS long is because of brokerage politics. Parties simply sit in the middle and avoid major issues. As citizens we accept this because of our major differences and move on.

The Liberals ARE the middle party.

NoCarrier

Did you read the book "The Stolen Referendum" ?



The author of the book is an english canadian sovereignist (one of the few) . He met important people in the "NO" side and they talked and talked about how they didn't give a fuck about referendum laws and money. They didn't know he was a sovereignist, so like a brother, they simply bragged about it. I knew it was stolen, but some of the facts are amazing. The iceberg is much, much bigger.

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ok, fact 1: Harper was for the war:

CTV.ca News Staff

Opposition leader Stephen Harper has told Fox News in the U.S. that most Canadians outside Quebec support the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, despite our government's decision not to take part in the war.

In an interview with the American TV network, Harper said he endorsed the war and said he was speaking "for the silent majority" of Canadians. Only in Quebec, with its "pacifist tradition," are most people opposed to the war, Harper said.


Fact 2: He was supportive of the "star wars" missile defence system and is for increased military spending

June 1, 2004

OSHAWA - He is smooth. Very, very smooth. Stephen Harper released his party's defence policy yesterday (first in a flurry of policy drops this week) stressing the need to assert our sovereignty with a serious military force, chastizing the Liberals for years of neglect and avoiding any comment that might be construed as bellicose.

Without providing details, Harper suggests he would be more generous with the military than the Martin Liberals -- upgrading equipment on a more ambitious schedule, committing to an 80,000-strong force at some future date -- but nothing he said yesterday suggests he would embark on a radically different course.

Whatever he is saying now, Liberals hope more Canadians will be disturbed by those old quotes than mollified by Harper's more nuanced current approach. Their second line of attack is to insist Harper can't finance an expanded military without deep cuts to other spending -- including health.

It is a plausible argument and Harper is making a tactical error in not producing contrary evidence. (He says there's enough money to cover his priorities -- modest tax cuts, increased military spending -- without reducing spending on health. But if not health, what?) We can assume that culture, the CBC, any sponsorship-like spending will be given short shrift in a Conservative regime, but that magnitude of savings doesn't begin to cover the new military expenditures.



The only un-proven fact is the liberties issues - but if you're smart you'll figure it out. He's aligned with the U.S. and is far to the right

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MetaMan

i dont see the liberals as the middle party at all, there is so much division province to province that there is no longer such thing as a middle party.

Bosco

I DO NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE IN THIS LOOSER COUNTRY...FOR ALL I CARE THEY CAN ALL GO FUCK THEMSELVES!!!

Looser ass country....by the way i am unfortunatly Canadian....the land where we get robbed and vote the same fuckers in again for another Robery....bravo.

ronaldo

If you polled the rest of Canada, I'm pretty sure most of them wouldn't have been for spending that money.

I got the opportunity to speak with a Dr.Dre and Dr.Guile as well as a couple of other French Canadians back in May and I got a whole new appreciation for the reasons why Quebec wants to separate.

I still don't AGREE with it, but I have a better understanding of their position. My understanding as a Westerner was always that Quebecers felt superior to the rest of Canada. That right there is going to be cause for a lack of mutual respect. However, after my talks with both Nationalists and Separatists it was more clear to me that it was simply a lack of recognition of their culture. There was no feeling of superiority, just that they were different and wanted to be recognized as such, as well as protect their heritage.

THAT I have no problem with. If most other Canadians understood that, they PROBABLY wouldn't have such a problem with it either. But with people like Lucien Bouchard and Jacques Parizeau grandstanding on behalf of the Quebec people, the message was clearly lost on the rest of Canada. I was fortunate enough to be in a position to get to understand-as well as WANT to understand-the reasoning. Unfortunately, most of Western Canada sees things quite differently.

BradM

I see our education system has failed you.

Oh nevermind. Location: Quebec.

Jay_StandAhead

Yeah like in the US with their bullshit war and the outing of a CIA operative by the Vice President... the voters really showed them in the last election.

Wake up - corruption wasn't invented by the liberals. I bet there was as many wrong things done by the conservatives before. The difference is the Liberals cleaned up the finances (from a $50 billion deficit by the conservatives to 8 years of surpluses, lower taxes, etc).

And you can rest assured the liberals won't do something as stupid as the sponsorship program again.

do you realize that by voting Bloc you are helping the Conservatives taking power? They fucking HATE quebec, you'll be in a WAY worse position.

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MetaMan

yes you can steal millions and millions and be forgiven because you might not do it again.

we are seriously laughable.

NoCarrier

Do you realize that if the Bloc wasn't there, the liberals would be a majority government right now? Their arrogance would be a million times stronger.

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In fact, separatists should all vote Harper ... Separation would then be done in a jiffy ....

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SilentKnight

Bye bye Bosco...don't let the door smack your ass on the way out.

Jay_StandAhead

Majority liberals is good.

Did you see what they did in the past 12 years?

If they were in majority now, they wouldn't have had to waste billions to make every political party happy in the budget. They'd keep paying down debt and lowering taxes.

In the end, I want low taxes, the lowest debt possible and a good economy. That's the liberals. Who cares if $100 millions was lost when they are saving us $10 billion / year in debt service (interests) now? Do you REALLY think the conservatives would have done the same thing had they been in power for the past 12 years? We'd be at war in Iraq, we'd have deficits and higher taxes. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

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ElvisManson

If anyone needs confrimation of Harpers extreme right wing stance do a litte research on something called the "Calgary School"

Here are a couple of Articles that do a reasonable job of explaining just how disastrous Harper would be for Canada.

http://mr.open-publishing.be/news/20...51_comment.php

"The Man Behind Stephen Harper
The Walrus Magazine, October 2004
by Marci MacDonald
Consternation rumbled across the country like an approaching thunderhead. For aboriginal leaders, one of their worst nightmares appeared about to come true. Two weeks before last June's federal election, pollsters were suddenly predicting that Conservative leader Stephen Harper might pull off an upset and form the next government. What worried many in First Nations' circles was not Harper himself, but the man poised to become the real power behind his prime ministerial throne: his national campaign director Tom Flanagan, a U.S.-born professor of political science at the University of Calgary.
Most voters had never heard of Flanagan, who has managed to elude the media while helping choreograph Harper's shrewd, three-year consolidation of power. But among aboriginal activists, his name set off alarms. For the past three decades, Flanagan has churned out scholarly studies debunking the heroism of Metis icon Louis Riel, arguing against native land claims, and calling for an end to aboriginal rights. Those stands already made him a controversial figure, but four years ago, his book, First Nations? Second Thoughts, sent tempers off the charts."


http://wrf.ca/comment/article.cfm?ID=137

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The Calgary School and the Future of Canada
September 2005 - V. 24 I. 6
by Dr. David T. Koyzis
Half a century ago, Harvard political scientist Louis Hartz (1919-1986) wrote The Liberal Tradition in America in which he advanced an intriguing explanation for the unique political culture of the United States. According to Hartz, because immigrants from the British Isles tended to come disproportionately from the poorer and marginal classes, they brought with them only a fragment of the total political culture of the old country. While Britain's political life was dominated by the dynamics of a fading feudalism, America was populated by those for whom feudalism was an increasingly remote memory. As a consequence, while a collectivistic conservatism persisted in Britain, and while socialism would come into its own there by the turn of the twentieth century, the American political culture would be monolithically dominated by a fairly narrow slice of Lockean liberalism, with its individualism and suspicion of government and the welfare state."

Kassidy

Harper scares me - he looks like one of those guys who all the neighbours say 'he's so quiet; such a nice man' until they find out he has 20 bodies buried in his backyard.

I usually vote Liberal federally but Cretien left the party in such a mess.

I'll probably vote NDP with the hope that they get enough seats to keep the Conservatives from running the show with a huge majority. A system of checks and balances is what we need. Plus, even if the NDP do come into power (highly unlikely) I can't imagine they'd give more money to the poor than Cretien gave to his big-business cronies for so many years.

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directfiesta

Liberals have been good for the economy.

But let's not forget the world economy, mainly the reduction in interest rates.
If the rates today were the ones of 12 years ago, you would have a deficit


BTW, I didn't see lower taxes ... nor the GST dissapear as promised .. I am probably asleep at the switch

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Phoenix

people from alberta should lose their vote..as obviously they cant remember they are part of a country...wtf is going on in alberta to make people there feellike they are running things?

you make oil...get over it...the oil belongs to all of us

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Jay_StandAhead

If you didn't see lower taxes, you're not running a business and making tons of money. But even the poor got tax breaks.


So about the deficit, how do you explain we're the only country in the G8 with surpluses 8 years running? Why is the US knee deep in deficits now? The more you borrow, the more the interest will rise in the long run.

read this: "Over the past two decades, it appears that the Canadian three month T-bill rate increased by at least 50 basis points for each percentage point increase in the current account deficit as a percentage of GDP. There is no guarantee that an impact of this magnitude will hold in the future, but it is a strong indication that lower foreign borrowing by Canada should result in considerably lower real interest rates than those experienced in the past."


Face it: the liberals did a great fucking job.

As for the GST, do we need to go over the reasons why we don't want to run a deficit again? Without GST there's a deficit, higher interest rates, higher taxes, lower standard of living, etc.

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MetaMan

since when did Alberta AT ALL run things, it is the fact that the east wants to run us, its called HAVE and HAVE NOT provinces, no one likes paying extra for someone in the east who chooses to sit on welfare.

and since when does ALBERTA not want to be apart of Canada?

the referendum was in Quebec, not here, where are you getting this from?

let me guess you're voting liberal.

and anyway we make the most $ and have the fastest growing population so shouldnt we run things?

MetaMan

i totally agree with you,

i would rather have THE BLOC in power then these scumbag liberals. ANYTHING i mean ANYTHING to stop them from having a majority govt.

SilentKnight

What would happen if that logic were applied to all of society?

Besides, it wasn't just "$100 million" - the adscam was over $300 million, then another $30 million for the inquiry. Oh, and if John Q. Public wants to read all the sordid details spelled out in the Gomery commission's report, it'll cost us $50 bucks per copy.

Let's not forget the $2 billion the Liberals somehow dumped in to a farce of a gun registry database? How the fuck they made that money vanish is way beyond my ability to comprehend. Despite the $2 billion investment , gun violence in places like Toronto has risen astronomically since the registry.

What about that failed helicopter contract the Liberals blew more money on? How many more hundreds of millions was pissed down the drain on that fiasco? But we got a bargain from the Brits on those subs, didn't we? Gotta thank the Liberals for those "previously enjoyed subs" purchased sight-unseen over eBay.

If I were CEO of a huge corporation and embezzled a few million bucks...but at the same time generated big profits for the shareholders, would those same shareholders turn a blind eye to my illegalities and allow me to continue holding office?

Feds aside, here in Ontario we've got McSquinty...yet another douchebag Liberal who would fail every polygraph test known to man. This man couldn't find accountability if it were shoved up his ass in suppository form. I'm hardpressed to come up with a single political issue this clown hasn't waffled on since taking office (oh, except for putting smiles on the faces of overpaid educationalists).


SilentKnight

MetaMan

and since when does "the oil belong to all of us" to bad that idiot TRUDEAU wasnt shot down.

we do not live in a communist state, the oil is OURS, you do not drill it, you do not refine it, how is it yours? come live here in Alberta if you want to be apart of it, dont sit 4 provinces over and act like you have a hand in it for sitting on your computer.

GlydeGirl

Not only do I recognize the uniqueness of the FRENCH culture in Quebec, I also recognize and appreciate the uniqueness of the INDIAN, CHINESE, JAPANESE, KOREAN, and every other culture that has made Canada (specifically Vancouver) their home. Everyday I get to interact with people from varying backgrounds and I very much respect their views and ways of life. In fact, we have culture pockets popping up everywhere, from Little India, to Chinatown, etc., and they even have the freedom to put up signs in their native languages.

Now tell me, why (and how) should I value the French culture above these other immigrant cultures?