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Old 11-08-2005, 01:31 AM   #1
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Canadians: Who will you be voting for?

More importantly - WHY are you voting for who you are?
And don't give me that "I don't vote" bullshit, I hate that.
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:34 AM   #2
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i usally vote liberal. but if i dont, i have to think, harper is a nazi. so either way i am fucked.
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:57 AM   #3
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Well lets see the choices...

1) George Bush's "Mini me"... Stephen Harper
2) The "just doesn't get it and forever stuck in Jean Chretien's shadow"... Paul Martin
3) Man that needs a new blue shirt... Gilles Duceppe
4) Leader of the "we will never win party."...Jack Layton

Boy a real bunch of winners here.
Well lets see...

If I vote Bloc Quebecois, they will never form the goverment because they are only in Quebec.

If I vote N.D.P I might as well not vote because they will still come in last.

If I vote for the conservatives, I might as well take my Canadian flag down and slap lube on my ass for the American fuck over he will give. (Man is like Mulroney on roids)

So I suppose that means I can only vote for the Liberals. It's kind of like voting for the "Same old.. Same old". You know what to expect from them and Canada won't be suddenly joining the war on terror. It will be just a goverment that slips by with nothing special to write home about.
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Old 11-08-2005, 02:12 AM   #4
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Might as well vote NDP. Piss on the Libz, Cambodians and the French.
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We have an election?
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Old 11-08-2005, 04:43 AM   #7
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We have an election?
Spoken like a true Canadian.

The NDP pulled thier support from the liberal.. Thus ending the alliance they hand and making it impossible for Paul Martin to fend off an election.

So not at this moment but we are on the way.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:01 AM   #8
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I'll probably vote NDP. Why? Why not. I don't like the Liberals because of Cretien. I did like the Canadian Alliance but don't like the Canadian Conservatives. Oh ya I forgot about the Green Party. Maybe I'll vote for them.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:07 AM   #9
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I will go to the polling station and decline my ballot.

There will not be an election until spring.

Martin will send parliament into recess until February.
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I'm generally blue for the provincial ... if the liberals are sure to win, I'l vote blue too. The liberal party needs a good oposition. If it's tight, I'l vote liberal, because I vigure there cannot be a better party in power right now ... as well as a better and more qualified prime minister then Paul Martin.

Our economy is just great right now... I want it to stay like that.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:15 AM   #11
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There isn't a sign of an upcomming election soon btw ... The liberal gov knows it and they are starting to apply power and act like they were a normal gov ... This will slowly force the election, but it probably won't happen till spring
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Spoken like a true Canadian.

The NDP pulled thier support from the liberal.. Thus ending the alliance they hand and making it impossible for Paul Martin to fend off an election.

So not at this moment but we are on the way.
Sorry been out of town a lot lately............Another election.... Your tax dollars at work
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:23 AM   #13
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Everyone vote NDP
liberals and conservatives have had many chances at bat and always screw up
before the liberals got in the conservatives were screwing it all up. now the liberals are all screwed up
NDP has never been in federal power so maybe they won't screw up at least not for awhile.
It doesn't matter what party you vote for they are all the same in the end, they all fuck up.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:24 AM   #14
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Everyone vote NDP
liberals and conservatives have had many chances at bat and always screw up
before the liberals got in the conservatives were screwing it all up. now the liberals are all screwed up
NDP has never been in federal power so maybe they won't screw up at least not for awhile.
It doesn't matter what party you vote for they are all the same in the end, they all fuck up.
I wouldnt vote for those bastards if you paid me
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:39 AM   #15
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Harper - Hell No
Martin - Good party but they need to clean up the mess
The Bloc - I dont think so
Green - What ?
Layton - Is getting my vote because I want them to hold balance of power with liberals.

The economy is doing good .... I think more people will vote liberals this time ?
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I wouldnt vote for those bastards if you paid me
Thier all bastards to me.
I will probably end up not voting, as there is no party that I think won't pull the same shit givin the chance
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Thier all bastards to me.
I will probably end up not voting, as there is no party that I think won't pull the same shit givin the chance
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Well lets see the choices...

1) George Bush's "Mini me"... Stephen Harper
2) The "just doesn't get it and forever stuck in Jean Chretien's shadow"... Paul Martin
3) Man that needs a new blue shirt... Gilles Duceppe
4) Leader of the "we will never win party."...Jack Layton

Boy a real bunch of winners here.
Well lets see...

If I vote Bloc Quebecois, they will never form the goverment because they are only in Quebec.

If I vote N.D.P I might as well not vote because they will still come in last.

If I vote for the conservatives, I might as well take my Canadian flag down and slap lube on my ass for the American fuck over he will give. (Man is like Mulroney on roids)

So I suppose that means I can only vote for the Liberals. It's kind of like voting for the "Same old.. Same old". You know what to expect from them and Canada won't be suddenly joining the war on terror. It will be just a goverment that slips by with nothing special to write home about.
I agree, Harper is definitely a mini GWB, Layton wants to give all the money to the poor so we can have huge deficits again, Duceppe is a separatist.

I think the liberals did a pretty good job overall. Sure, 100 millions got wasted or stolen, but the liberals cleaned up the budget, paid down $63 billion in debt (saving us billions / year in interests that we can now use to lower taxes or waste on social crap), they lowered the taxes for both individuals and businesses, which means that Canada now has a 5% tax advantage compared to the US for businesses, etc etc.

Martin might be dumb and wants everyone to love him, but he's a business man, he was a great finance minister and he's a good reason why we're paying less taxes today and we're the only G8 country with 8 straight years of surpluses (soon to be 9).

Remember how far they have come since 1993 and the mess the conservatives left them with.

Debt in 1997: $562.9 Billion (interest payments: $45 billion / year)
Debt in 2005: $499.9 Billion (interest payments: $34.1 billion / year)

Deficit in 1992:close to $50 Billion
Surplus in 2005: $1.6 billion

As long as they don't make more social spending deals and keep lowering taxes while staying in budgetary surpluses, I think the liberals must stay in office.
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Old 11-08-2005, 06:49 AM   #19
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Well lets see the choices...

1) George Bush's "Mini me"... Stephen Harper
2) The "just doesn't get it and forever stuck in Jean Chretien's shadow"... Paul Martin
3) Man that needs a new blue shirt... Gilles Duceppe
4) Leader of the "we will never win party."...Jack Layton

Boy a real bunch of winners here.
Well lets see...

If I vote Bloc Quebecois, they will never form the goverment because they are only in Quebec.

If I vote N.D.P I might as well not vote because they will still come in last.

If I vote for the conservatives, I might as well take my Canadian flag down and slap lube on my ass for the American fuck over he will give. (Man is like Mulroney on roids)

So I suppose that means I can only vote for the Liberals. It's kind of like voting for the "Same old.. Same old". You know what to expect from them and Canada won't be suddenly joining the war on terror. It will be just a goverment that slips by with nothing special to write home about.
That fairly much sums up my sentiments. Can't embellish on it any more.

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Martin might be dumb and wants everyone to love him, but he's a business man, he was a great finance minister and he's a good reason why we're paying less taxes today and we're the only G8 country with 8 straight years of surpluses (soon to be 9).
One thing I'll never understand - is how people say we have "a surplus". The principle amount of the national debt is still owed. All we've done is brought it down to where we have a little money left over after the interest on the principle is paid.

Its like having a $1000 Visa bill, making the minimum monthly payment, and having a bit left over for some Kraft Dinner.

I agree Martin's a good finance minister and he's done a good job with the federal purse strings, but saying Canada has a surplus makes it all sound more optimistic than it actually is. The country as a whole is still in debt up to its eyeballs.


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Personally I say Martin.. he's been cleaning up everyone else's messes and doing a decent job, for someone who wasn't really prepared for the position. He's done quite a few things that have impressed me.
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One thing I'll never understand - is how people say we have "a surplus". The principle amount of the national debt is still owed. All we've done is brought it down to where we have a little money left over after the interest on the principle is paid.

Its like having a $1000 Visa bill, making the minimum monthly payment, and having a bit left over for some Kraft Dinner.

I agree Martin's a good finance minister and he's done a good job with the federal purse strings, but saying Canada has a surplus makes it all sound more optimistic than it actually is. The country as a whole is still in debt up to its eyeballs.


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A budgetary surplus is different from debt or savings.

if your monthly income is $3000 and you spend $2000, you have a monthly surplus of $1000. However, you may have a mortgage for $100,000, which means you have a debt.

In the mid-1990s, Canada?s ratio of total government net financial liabilities to GDP was the second highest in the G-7. By 2003 Canada had the lowest ratio in the G-7.

Since its peak in 1995, Canada?s ratio of total government net financial liabilities to GDP is estimated to have been reduced by 38.2 percentage points to 31.1 per cent of GDP in 2004, which was again the lowest in the G-7.


so we're not doing so bad we just have to keep it up and prevent morons like Harper from taking over and turning record surpluses into record deficits.
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One thing I'll never understand - is how people say we have "a surplus". The principle amount of the national debt is still owed. All we've done is brought it down to where we have a little money left over after the interest on the principle is paid.

Its like having a $1000 Visa bill, making the minimum monthly payment, and having a bit left over for some Kraft Dinner.

I agree Martin's a good finance minister and he's done a good job with the federal purse strings, but saying Canada has a surplus makes it all sound more optimistic than it actually is. The country as a whole is still in debt up to its eyeballs.


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Economics was not your forte ...

We have a surplus because our operating expenses are lower than our income, resulting in money left over ....

A company can declare profits, it doesn't mean they do not have debt.

Now, in your simplistic example, if the person didn't have a surplus, she couldn't make the minimum payment, hence her debt would grow ...

Simple no ?


BTW, in Quebec, we can vote Block... which I will. If I was in Canada ( lol ...) I would vote NDP to get themm to hold the balance of power.
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green party.

I know they wont win, but at least my conscience will be clear that I didnt vote for the Liberals, Conservatives or NDP none of whom can be trusted.

If I could, I wish there was a http://www.monarchist.ca/new/index.html on the ballot.
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The choices are so fucking bad. I hate the Libs - Cons and I really hate Jack. But if I had to vote I would go with Jack, to keep things in the minority.
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Ultimately, we have a choice between Paul Martin and Stephen Harper. A vote on the NDP is a waste because they'll never get in, and will actually take votes away from Paul Martin. Best case is this scenario is we re-elect ANOTHER Liberal minority and have another election a year down the road.

Since Stephen Harper has already made it clear with his Press Release "Error" over a year ago where he stands on internet porn (it's ALL CP remember), and we've all seen what can happen with someone of his ilk in power south of the border, I'll be voting for Paul Martin...and convincing as many people as I can to do the same.

I had been a conservative for years, but was swayed to the Liberals a few years ago, but still NEVER like Jean Chretien. I had a clear conscience last time I voted for Martin, and I'll have a clear conscience when I vote this time around.
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Lib. The whole money controversy is well, c?mon what gov doesn?t scam money. Our economy is strong, we have public health care (Can always be better), social liberties, great world opinion. And as others have posted, the liberals may not be great, but there doing ok and really what other choice is there

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The NDP are socialist, in case none of you knew that. So let your friends know too. ;) Voting NDP is like voting to give your money to poor people. Not just that but have it badly mismanaged in HUGE government first.

Harper is a tool and the Conservatives are an amalgamation of the Reform and Canadian Alliance. The Reform isn't exactly level with everything Harper does. I doubt that party could govern.

Maybe I am biased, but I'll be voting Liberal. Media hogwash doesn't sway my vote.
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Whoever we vote for, we're fucked. The liberals suck ass. And Harper tha nazi is just a republican that's infiltrated the Canadian political system.
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Naw, it interfered with Porn 101 studies

Now I just hire an economics major to handle my accounting.

Judging by the way our governments handle finances...I really have to wonder 'where have all the economics experts gone?

Maybe there's hope for me yet for a career in political economics. Just me, my abacus...and a swiss account to hide my embezzlement windfalls.


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WTF?

This is like saying "Kerry or Bush for me".
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Old 11-08-2005, 10:53 AM   #40
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Harper = Fascist pig
Martin = A great finance minister, horrible PM
Layton = Only honest guy in the group, but can he win?
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Old 11-08-2005, 10:57 AM   #41
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does the national party still have a canditate? lol
They folded ages ago... man I wish they could have held it together. They were the best change for something decent this country has had in decades. for Mel Hurtig.
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:04 AM   #42
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What's that party that wanted every session in Parliment to start with Yoga?
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:16 AM   #43
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I'd vote for Wayne Gretzky
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:17 AM   #44
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What's that party that wanted every session in Parliment to start with Yoga?
Rhino I believe.
They also wanted to strike down the law of gravity.
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:19 AM   #45
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Harper = Fascist pig
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Honest sure, but a socialist. In around 1937-1945 there was this really popular national socialist party in... Germany I think it was. I heard that one turned out alright.
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:20 AM   #46
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What's that party that wanted every session in Parliment to start with Yoga?
Yogi Flyers (or somethin'?) - started by the late Doug Henning if I recall.
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I have to vote the lesser of the evils, that be Martin. No way in hell I'd vote for the bible thumpin PC's. Maybe if they had a more business minded leader who kept his pentecostal beliefs out of our lives I'd vote for them to send the Libs a lesson.

How is it the inquiry into the Adscam cost more than we got scammed?? LOL
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Martin.

I can't stand Harper. He bitches and complains far too much. I know it's part of the parlimentary system to get up and yell and scream, and bitch and complain, but this guy takes it way too far and it's just not productive, it's annoying. He comes across as sounding and looking like a sore loser. There is no "positive" with that guy...it's all negative. He offers no solutions, he just complains...

Layton and the NDP...? I hope they have a strong showing if only to keep the Libs in check.

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John: Agreed on Harper. I love how he said in an interview one time that he only gets negative media attention, they never focus on the good stuff he does. Yeah, like he was taking advantage of that opportunity to show some light.

The only reason the Liberals can govern is because they are central to many views Canadians have.

The NDP are FAR too left extreme and the Conservatives are WAY out in right field.
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How is it the inquiry into the Adscam cost more than we got scammed?? LOL
Just goes to show that if you're gonna rip off the taxpayers, make sure you steal enough so that when an inquiry is held, taxpayers will forget how much was stolen and complain more about the inquiry costs

Maybe we should throw another $30 million away on a gun registry inquiry.

As for the election - fuck that. Give the money we'd spend on the election to the RCMP and let them investigate and charge those involved in the adscam.

That'd be money well spent.


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