No, I'm just saying I think this idea is faulty & wont work..

way too many variables to consider..

what will happen to your idea if people just not join & not submit.. ? Let's not forget one thing.. Without webmaster submissions, tgp are nothing.. Now some people want to make it so that webmasters have to pay the tgp owner for a listing.. sounds like certain tgp owners arent making any $$ & want to come up with a half assed scheme to get rich off of webmasters,,

I'm lucky if a single gallery makes $1000 a month... seems that some of you are trying to make it so only the real big webmasters can submit to the hun, worldsex, etc.. TGP is what fucked this business up in the first place & now people want to continue to fuck it up & make it that much more difficult for anyone..

Instead of charging the webmasters, charge the goddamned surfers.. at least this qualifies the surfer & improves the conversion ratio.. & for $1000 per month, I'd want a guaranteed listing on ALL tgps in the list.. No fucking bullshit coming back telling me that. "I seen those pics b4, sorry", or I dont list ARS cuz my surfers dont like the inconveniences that come with getting free porn" or You have too much text, or, "I dont like the banner, cuz it looks like a thumbnail & my freeloading surfer might actually click on it instead of clicking the back button to stay on my site all night wacking off...

my point is that if people are paying, then it HAS to be a GUARANTEED LISTING!!

Really?

Not when your making $3,000. I know of a couple people being very profitable from paid listings on the major TGP's.

No, it does not. If you pay for a listing on the Hun, you STILL have to follow his regular guidelines. You don't get to pop consoles, use active x, and banned sponsors just because you anty up some coin. You paid for spots, but you still need to make a normal page in order to fill the spot.

Stop trying to sound like an authority.

spacedog, you will never change TGP. It is here, get over it. But, it sounds like you will love AVS and SE. And maybe even TGP2. Stick with them, and lower your blood pressure.

this already exists for several large tgps:
Thehun
Worldsex
Absolut Series
Video Post
Sublime
JJJ
Sleazydream


info can be found at http://www.cybercatinc.com

Why don't they list their prices? I hate that shit...

Dude, you just can't sell. Period.

I had a little gallery up on worldsex yesterday...did 2500 click throughs on 70K hits and made 6 sales. Nothing wrong with that traffic. Traffic is traffic. If they see something they like, they'll buy it. If you can't convince them that they like what they see, maybe you should reconsider your tactics.

lol

Instead of being a fuckwad & twisting my words around, wake the fuck up..

Oh... so we'd end up paying to get the same bullshit as usual & nothing changes at all.. thanks for making my point a little more clearer..


Tell me this.. what changes? NOTHING!!

Yeah hah! We need an "expert" view of things. :winkwink:

Spacedog... if YOU don't like the idea, and it wouldn't be profitable for YOU it doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
Actually it's a great idea, but as with TGP2 there's a downside.. everyone should do it in order to make it work.

The big TGP's using this system now should start listing only those galleries that were paid for, otherwise the entire plan loses it's point.

Unfortunately this won't work. But ideas are a terrible thing just to let rot in your head.

:2 cents:

the whole point I am trying to make is, What changes? Dont seem like anything changes.. all 30 or so tgps would need to conform to the same rules & standards..

What the hun sometimes declines is accepted at jjj & worldsex, & so on.. That's my whole issue.. the issue is not about making profit.. it's about how this will or will not work..

Who is Thumbsmaster? :BangBang:

The thing that could change is that there would be no more thousands & thousands of newbies that does not want to invest a penny in this biz, flooding all the TGPs forms...

That is my point...

This thread just confirmed what I already suspected.....Spacedog is a fucking moron.

The Hun is the filet mignon of the cow called TGP. 100K hits from his site brings in 2-3 times the joins that 100K hits from any other TGP would bring.
The fact that you can't convert his traffic and have decided to blame him and his traffic instead of your gallery layout, content or sponsor selection just goes to show how narrow minded you are. If you're not making $$ it must be someone else's fault right?

If you'd quit arguing with Steve and listen to him, you might actually be making $$ off of TGP instead of complaining about how bad TGP's are. That guy can build a sweet ass gallery and he's helped more than one newbie learn to make a living off of TGP traffic.

But as usual you think you already know everything, you should really go back to McDonald's before they find someone to take your position doing the fries.

Well one of the things I love about the adult webmaster community is that there are plenty of people in it who once they've hit it big or even medium, they are willing to give back to the community that helped them earn success.

One thing I like about the Hun is he makes it a point to list people on freeservers or people who are just starting out. The first gallery I ever made was listed on The Hun's first page the day after I submitted it. And I know there are a ton of webmasters here who make it a point to help others out, its what makes this community strong in my opinion.

That being said, the mass influx of submissions is creating an obvious problem for everyone. Some people blame the newbies for autosubmitting. My personal belief is that there are tons of experienced cheaters out there using their resources to flood the lists with autosubmissions.

An idea of a network of sites, say 20-30 big ones, who band together and figure out an honest submitter verification process that would guarantee daily links evenly rotated on the front page for $1,000 is not out of line at all. That would be the same as paying 20 Large TGPs a $50 monthly listing fee, a great deal IMHO.

It's almost like an Adult HMO, rather than charge the big bucks for the prime top 10 spots, they will be getting paid less for all spots without having to market, a.k.a. guaranteed income. And of course they could still market the top listings the way they currently do to make even more money.

There would be alot of admin hassle with this plan no doubt, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless. Something needs to be done, and I think it needs to start with an honest, workable way to identify submitters. I wish someone smarter than me could come up with one.

Nz

Dude, wake the fuck up. If you aren't this to make a profit you need to sit down shut up and STOP CRYING.

This is a business, not a collective, and what you seem to feel you are due, like guaranteed listings, is something from cold war communism.

Put a sock in your mouth, get yourself a tgp and collect a few dollars from people.

Oh wait, that would be too simple now wouldn't it?

Kimmykim's comments illustrate perfectly that adult webmaster bond of altruism and charity i mentioned previously.

Nz

:winkwink:

Alas nedder, I have one charity at home, I don't need any others ;)

11 years old is an expensive age for a kid ;)

This is a great idea. :)

If people want to charge to get into their pool of submissions that's their choice. No one has to pay if they feel they can't make it work. :)

No one owes anyone else listings anyways. TGP's aren't public utilities who have to take submissions from every single person in the world.

Well I think there were some very good points raised here. I was thinking about this very topic the other day.

How about this...If the big top 50 sites decided to build a database. They then charge a nominal fee to get into this database of "preferred submitters". Make a database with full names, phone numbers (checked) and also domains, all done when the gallery maker joins the database and pays his/her $100 monthly fee. This way if someone did pay the monthly $100 fee and decided to 404 his gallery or cheat he could be banned and not allowed back into this preferred database of submitters.

This way the tgp makers would benefit because they are not in competition with the cheaters who make 10+ galleries a day and russian submit them all and flood all the submission databases. Hence way more chance of getting listed and making more $$$!

It would benefit the tgp owners because they get less bullshit, less submissions (yet quality), less cheaters and also a new influx of income.

I wonder if this would be a tax deductable expense?? Hmmmmm???

I would like the Hun's opinion on this...

DH:glugglug

Do children have a "cheap age"?? Mine just turned 4 and for the last 4 years I've been bleeding money out of orifices I didn't even know I had.....are you telling me its going to get worse?

Yeah I was thinking about the same thing... this counter would have to be able to count a hell of a lot of hits -- the software could get pretty complex -- in each profile of each webmaster in the club you could show how much traffic each webmaster received from each TGP -- then total all those #'s and break that down into %'s to decide how to split the membership profits... then even the small TGP's can participate to make a little extra loot... there would be a lot of attempts to cheat a counter -- especially if you opened this club to any TGP -- so that idea may have to be thrown out... unless the TGP's sent the traffic directly to a cgi club ID link which would redirect to the proper gallery... that would be even cooler...

seems like a little work for some programmer -- but would probably pay off in lots of intangible ways -- banner spots, emails, think of all the sponsors wanting to advertise to these high-profile submitters through this club -- the quality of the galleries goes up, TGPs can find good galleries much faster, the TGP's make a little more profit, and everyone stays honest...

Sounds like most of us are in agreement on this -- we seem to be describing the same database type system ;) -- maybe somebody needs to build it? Somebody w/ connections to some big TGP's... If somebody builds this thing and it's clean looking -- I'd definitely participate -- submitting and posting galleries... Basically we have fleshed out an entire concept site here that will make bank -- somebody like Keev who always has hired programmers on hand should crank this sucker out ;) Even if we don't have all the big TGP's in participation -- I'm sure there would be plenty of TGP's willing to post galleries for a slice of the membership dues...

nice concept, sad it won't happen ;) trust me

Shit, Gary's only 11?? He looks old for his age :1orglaugh

Hey ya never know. TGP2 started on this board because a TGP owner threw out some crazy idea on a thread :thumbsup

Regardless of your personal opinion on TGP2, its still alive and growing.

Yup, TGP2 is growing wild and out of controll like the pot plants in your local police station flower bed.

Wild and crazy and out-of controll but no one seems to have noticed or cared.

Hey Lenny2.. You must just fucking scan the threads & completely miss the whole fucking issue & point..
I wasnt fucking blaming no one for anything, & never said I didnt convert shit.. I was trying to make an example & a very valid point, but you can't seem to see that because of your blind greed.


I make a fucking valid statement, 2 posts above the one of you bashing me & you fucking twist is completely around on me..
shut the fuck up & listen...

This is my opinion..

this would only work if all the tgps in on it had the same set of rules & guidelines.. DUH...

webmasters, I think, would only be interested in paying a fee if it guarantees them that they will get listed if they follow the guidelines


If you were not too fucking busy trying to figure out your cut of $1000 a month x 100,000+ webmasters x 12 months % 30 tgps you'd see my fucking point!!!

LOL. Go on ahead and do it. All of the big guys will be stuck with the same listings daily. hehe. Us *lowly* newbies will much more variety. It'd be kinda funny when all the bookmarkers they have figure this out and then go to us smaller guys for something different. LOL

actually, it's 500.

you are correct sir ;)

i'm tired now and i dont have much time to express my thoughts about tgp2. One thing i'll point out, tgp2 doesnt need 500k tgp sites to be described as succesful. Same with linklists.

Will not be an issue if the top 30-40 TGPs employ sophisticated content rotation software.

Maybe.... just maybe...the next step in the TGP business model will be to run these pages like magazines.

So, who would get to post the new ones first? Number 40 on the list would have month old content.

Yes you did say you didn't convert shit, you were the one who said you'd get listed on the Hun and get 0 sign ups, and then you said surfers from The Hun and Worldsex etc know where all the free porn is and that's why you can't sell them a membership.

I don't know why you're bothering with this thread anyways, you don't have 2 nickels to rub together much less would you be able to pay for listings if this concept were to ever be put into place.

And for your information, I don't own a TGP, so this idea wouldn't make me any $$, it would cost me $$ to get listed if this idea took off. So GO FUCK YOURSELF with your blind greed accusations.

If you spent half as much time building and submitting sites as you do lurking on this board trying to get other webmasters to sign up under you for affiliate programs you might actually make some money in this biz.

And everyone knows you have no idea what you're talking about, so quit trying to act like you have something valuable to add to the conversation.

again, you just scan the thread & not actually read it you twit..

It was a fucking hypothetical example..
That's typical of assholes like you.. You read what you want & completely skip over the real issue.. as far as paying for listings, I am all for it, I was only trying to make some valid points..
Uniformity with the rules & standards, & guarenteed listings.. But you're too busy being a fuckhead as usual.. You just want to make what you want of it instead of seeing it for what it actually is..:321GFY

another sd pissing match!

Not really.. just some twit who wants to take bits & peices of a post & turn it around just to be an asshole....

I state some opinions & make some points & this fucker wants to turn it around & make an issue of it.. fuck him..

Ok, Spacedog you're an idiot, and an asshole. And I'm done with you. I could go back earlier in this thread, and on other threads where you've posted how bad TGP traffic is, how you're not making any money, you couldn't afford paid hosting or even the bill for you to connect to the internet from home, but I don't have the time or the desire. So you can sit there and say you never said such and such and that I'm full of shit, but we both know the truth.

And FYI, those aren't my sites, they're JR's sites, I was being a nice guy and putting his proggie in my tag line.

And JR, in case you're reading, I promise I'll send you an extra 10 hits a day to make up for the ones you'll lose when spacemutt pulls his links.