It's in a legal "Terms and Conditions" document on their website. In saying "Legal Terms and Conditions" that should say enough. They've been in trouble once, why risk it again?

Not to mention the 9.69% rate they gave me, why would I go to CCBalls or someone else that is recommended to me? I like to make money, and save money, so that I can afford to spend money.

The continued idiocy of your words illustrate all we need to know about you. You've aptly demonstrated time and time again you know nothing about the issues. Your voice is that of a shrill little troll off in the distance.

As a proponent of iBill - your immaturity and total lack of professional business communication skills make you a public relations liability to any company. If I were in charge at iBill, I'd be consulting with our attorneys to initiate a cease and desist order and prevent you from speaking on behalf of the company.

You come across as a 12-year-old jerkoff, nothing more. Run along now, lad.

This forum is for adults.

Disney... Cute, furthers the point that you have nothing better to do than come up with creative ways to insult people whom you have no idea about. Lack of communication skills? I have communicated quite nicely despite your desperate attempts to humiliate me with your child-like images. I think you are the one showing your ass, but that's just my opinion. And I think everyone else here likes your images, so they stay on your side. I don't have time to mess with Churchs' Marquee's nor do I have the time to edit my own enema procedure in an atempt to humiliate someone I don't even know.

ibill Rules! I've been in the game since this past September and have not had one problem getting my payouts.

Do I smell a iBill Conspiracy Hoax in the works?

"ibill Rules! I've been in the game since this past September and have not had one problem getting my payouts."

You shoulda been there the September before last! It was a blast. :(

"They've been in trouble once, why risk it again?"

It was the webmasters that used Ibill that were in trouble, to be more specific.

You believe that the webmasters were the only ones in trouble? What about all the trouble iBill has with webmasters now? Not sufficient. Webmasters only have to deal with iBill. iBill is going to have to fix things with everyone! No comparison.

Who has the money and who doesn't?

Incorrect. That statement is ridiculous. Firstly, webmasters shouldn't have to hire a collection agency to track down funds that they are legitimately owed. Furthermore, those who do contact iBill are extorted for their funds.

1. No, I don't lie to my customers, I give them their money.
2. So you are justifying iBill's lying by saying other people lie so its okay.

Yes I would be trashed talked talked if this were the case. And to do the right thing I wouldn't compound it with more lies and bullshit and pull more money out of the company and into my pockets.

This is precisely the problem a lot of us have with them. Thanks for reiterating the point.

We do understand your side of the story. You are new, using iBill and happy with them. Good for you and I wish you the best. You are the one that refuses to understand the other side of the story. iBill fucked over so many people, never came clean with the truth, still owe people money and are not willing to pay that money as they should with no strings attached.

if you are meaning that IBill is creating new accounts on GFY to support your idiotic claims then yes its a conspiracy.

if you are meaning that IBill lawyers are actual employees/owners come on GFY pretending that it has changed and that all should be forgiven.. thats the greatest conspiracy theory of all. IT HASNT !!!

go back to McDonalds and have another burger, your not convincing anyone to switch from their TRUSTED billing company to IBill

:thumbsup :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

That reply looks like the terminology used in iBill emails - ie open to interpretation whatever way ya like :winkwink:

Is Andrew confirming people silly enough to continue trading with iBill will be paid OR does "everyone" mean exactly that - namely all creditors will be paid whether they continue to deal with iBill or not?

Meanwhile has anyone actually been paid by iBill lately?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

The last thing iBill do is "rule!" Of course you have never missed one payment - iBill are known for this. A financially stable and honest company is iBill :winkwink:

This is funny :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

oh wow.. yet another 2 to 3 post newbie who jumps in and comes to IBills rescue. Is there anyone that has more than 500 posts? that is known to be a real webmaster? that is known in the community and not some made up nick by IBill or 4TheMoney. Dude we are not stupid as IBill wants to believe we are.. creating new nick names just to support your theory is not going to fly. Try using a webmaster that people know who has been around on GFY and has a history here than making up fake names.

You are absolutely pathetic mocking our intelligence attempting to make us think that IBill is honorable or will be. We know the truth - PAY YOUR FUCKING BILLS TO WEBMASTERS AND THE COMPANIES YOUR DEALT WITH

Rather than post here, people who are owed money should call ibill on the phone and formally request payment. If you don't get the answer you are looking for, ask for a supervisor, then keep on going up the ladder till you receive your check.


This has always worked with every reputable company I have dealt with.
Just call them, and then post here what their response is. Better than complaining on the message board.

wow.. 7 whole posts, wonder where you came from to give such a informative opinion - surely not the offices of IBill who would tell their employees to please beg people to stop posting bad things about the company? that if you create a new nick name no one will figure out that your with the company?

We can bitch and say what we want about IBill all we want too until someone from there starts paying their bills to webmasters and to the companies they have screwed around these past few months, one that I know of that IBill ran up close to 15,000 to learn about internet marketing, but what they were really doing is train a new employee then run away without paying their tab.

Since iBill is not a reputable company, your comments are null and void.

LOL
Thanks, I needed a good laugh this morning.

You took the words right out of my mouth !

iBill is reputable... Talk to the right people at Visa... Ask them what they did with the money for the rebills that iBill didn't get after they lost their merchant account?

This is what I am hearing from people who are "in the know". Could it be possible that Visa held the money? I don't know, but you guys are better at research than me, so find out.

Why would anyone waste their valuable time making that phone call? Pointeless.

Fucktard

start naming names? who are these people you speak of since we have already done the research and shown you proof but you still refuse to believe any of our REAL stories of hardships with IBill opting instead to blindly support them and make posts that dont ring true in any sense of the imagination. Then by some miracle we get several new nick name posters coming in to support your claims in which you follow up saying your not the only one who thinks good thoughs of IBill.

Simply put, you have NO PROOF !! NONE WHAT SO EVER !!

you demand records from us but wont give us yours - we give you hundreds of reasons and webmasters who have lost homes and business's because IBill made false promises and still continue to do so and yet you still pathetically deny they exist and that IBill has changed.

Just agree to disagree and stop wasting our time BS'ing us

WTF are you talking about?? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

First, iBill is anything but "reputable". Have you not noticed that is the core problem???

Who cares about VISA's relationship with iBill - that's iBill's problem - it's nobody else's businesses.

BTW... the "right people" in banks and other financial agencies have been "talked to" already. That established that iBill were lying at one point and also if ya wanted a 'FIFO score' on them, - don't hold your breath. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What's you interest in this Monty Python dead parrott company?

You want to trade with iBill - that's your biz. What else is there to talk about?





:1orglaugh Too funny!

You obviously don't know of the briefings by management to staff in how to handle clients.

Sure.. whats the point of complaining on a message board when you can complain to an FBI fraud unit. :1orglaugh

I have no idea who you think you are talking to that is "in the know", but that statement is completely inaccurate. I would say you lost your credibility with that one, but you had none to begin with.

First Data did hold some funds when iBill first managed to lose their merchant account (nice planning guys, you only knew about it for like a year). Those funds were released, and either way that has nothing to do with investors pulling their money out before clients got paid.

Once again, you fail to see any other point of view other than your own. If it wasn't obvious enough before, it is more than obvious now that YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A SHILL!

P.S. Enjoy your Big Mac value meal and have a nice day.

Im amazed at these idiots who keep popping up every few weeks with a low post count to post supporting rhetoric and lies about how good and honest Iball's is. Give it up, the web knows what a bunch of crooks Iball's is and the posts made by webmasters who know the truth are being kept current on all the main webmaster message boards to warn nOObs not to deal with a company that owes millions to sponsors and affiliates.

Iball's has been instrumental in people losing homes, cars, giving people bad credit and losing their jobs. They have not made a dent in paying back the tens of millions owed and are blackmailing people who ask for their money back by insisting they start to send sign ups before the monies owed are paid.

Does this sound like a company you would want to risk your hard earned money with ?

why isnt this person banned..and this thread shutdown.

LAME

will they be paying the monies owed plus interest?

LOL.. thats what a reputable company would do.. oh wait.. its IBill :1orglaugh

Never again. Even if I get my money back I would never touch Ibill again. I got out after they fucked me with the MCI fiasco. Only to witness them fuck everybody else again. If they had dumped MCI after the first fuck up I might have given them a second chance. However when you get back in bed with the same assholes who fucked you I have no more sympathy or respect for you especially when the end result are that I can't get my money!

this cant be??

4TheMoney and IBill says your not telling the truth, that your making it all up, instead you should trust them in the future that they have changed their ways and are honest and a reputable company again.

how dare you call them out and say they lied to us - that there exists one webmaster who is not happy with them

FUCKING IBILL AND 4TheMoney PAY UP THESE GUYS AND GET OUT OF DODGE

While it is true that I haven't received any back payments from them, they have made quite a few promises to me and seem to have some good excuses on why they are delaying. But it will be soon, I am assured.

I can practically sniff the iBill money now!

Its not money you can smell its Bull Shit !!

Note the keywords/phrases:-

I haven't received any back payments

they have made quite a few promises

seem to have some good excuses

why they are delaying


Optimizing maximum use of these phrases is an iBill speciality. They have
substantial experience in this area.

"Practically sniffing" the money and practically being paid are planets apart :winkwink:

Nice one ! can i use that on my sites ?

Please do! With my blessing. Feel free to use it in all msg. postings, too. Just please self-serve it if you would.

:)

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sure thing thanks, anything to stop the bull shit!

dude you're a fucking tool - period.

Fact is Iball's has been in trouble a number of times, remeber the web 900 problems where webmasters still have not been paid , how many years ago was that. One thing to remember is we pay online processors a huge amount of money to take care of billing issues, what was Iball's processing a few years ago $80,000,000 a month ? Imagine 15% of that.

The web900 debacle was different. That was wrapped up in the worldcom fiasco, and Ibill never got the money so we weren't paid. With the problem of first data, Ibill did get the money, and did not pay the webmasters. I see that as a huge difference.

Actually that wasn't what i was told by my rep in Iball's a few years ago. She said they did get the money or most of it. But hey you can not believe anything these guys tell you ?

Bump to keep this in the public eye
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Is this really a question? There are lots of quality billing companies out ther e- ccbill, paycom, etc - why chance it with iBill?

And another bump for iBalls

Bump Bump for Friday

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Posted on ibill cmi 11/29

iBill Payout 11/21/05
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