We continued using them and they havent missed a payment once they started again. Been very steady. Im also using 2 others spreading risk.

No Problems With Payouts
 

I have had no problems with them so far, hence my trust in them. I have had people swear by Ford Trucks, but some guy in Podunk, PA had a problem with his once, should I never buy Ford again? Rebranding, and Brand restructuring is a big thing these days, and you'd be surprised what happens when you give someone a chance. As for the open manhole head first, isn't that an extreme sport? And who in this whole forum doesn't take chances with their money?

Heres to the future promised by I-Bill

http://www.blurofinsanity.com/blurim...resuckhead.jpg

it is clear that you are being influenced by them.. if it was just ONCE then we wouldnt be so harsh.. but IBill hasnt done it more than once.. to more than one webmaster.. and guess what?? still continues to do it @!!!

they still havent paid their bill to a few companies that they were doing business with to get their new image off the ground !! Dont make me name names and call IBill out as to why they refuse to pay close to 14K to a company that helped them get their advertising shit together and never paid the company - instead they used that company to train someone for free

Pretty Crafty Rob...
 

You ever eat fast food... Looks really good on TV, but when served does it look the same? I'd venture to say no, and I'll also bet that you repeatedly visit the same restaurant for the same shitty food.

no I dont.. and that is why Ibill has left a bad taste in everyones mouth.. webmasters and I refuse to go back to that shitty trough and get fed more lies from you and the IBill team

Heres some words of advice you can take back to IBill when you talk to them

if IBill is expecting to get forgiven - not going to happen until they pay everyone up and continue to do so RE the company I was just commenting on.

if IBill is serious about gaining our trust - then face them and own up to what was happening and make some serious efforts instead of thinking webmasters are idiots

I'm New.. That I can Admit...
 

I'm new to the whole adult web commerce format. Enlighten me on what it should be like??? Please? Just because you have a platform from which to bitch, that is easily accessible, you chose to do so. I on the otherhand am trying to get a message out that you don't want to be heard, obviously. So I am going to assume you (anyone who talks badly about iBill) work for someone else who is paying you just the same as you assume that I am being influenced by iBill. The only influence that iBill has on me is that they process for me, and they do it right.

You simply dont get it. I know webmasters now who signed up with you that you still dont pay !!! So what new future IBill is that??\


I am a content company, plugin movies I am not influenced by any company such as yourself who asks me to post comments against IBill. What I am influenced by are webmasters that I speak too on a daily basis who ask for advice and who also vent to me their problems with Ibill.

so you see, I dont receive any money from this - nor am I working with your competitors - so how do you respond when you hear it from someone who is not bought off by your competitors or told what to say outside of the truth that being I have seen what you and IBill have done to my clients and continue to do so??

Patience - The wait for monies owed...
 

There is a light at the end of this dark iBill tunnel that you speak of... It's going to take a short while to get to that light, but you will get there. Let's do this, stop all the talk! Let iBill prove all of you wrong, and become the #1 Processor AGAIN! You'll be begging them for a phone call to rejoin.

Why would you use them when there are much better alternatives? What is one good reason?

Are you an IBill bot??

I assume your not reading anything that has been written or getting the point. Proof upon proof that they are continually doing the same thing as they did before gets thrown at you and you still stand up and say - they will be better dont worry.. light at the end of a tunnel.

well guess what.. with IBill - the light at the end of the tunnel for webmasters is a train coming the other way to fuck them over again !!!!!!

By the way, I don't work for iBill - I think I said that already, so please stop. I am a webmaster just like the rest. Fortunately I don't have any money owed, so yes, I am optimistic. You are free to speak your mind. Oh yeah, and I had one problem with iBill, my banking info wasn't correct, so if you know webmasters who aren't getting paid, maybe they should check that out first before they call iBill crooks.

You seem like an anti-iBill bot yourself buddy. Let's not point fingers. I have been trying to be civil, and you are so offensive - toward me - and I'm not iBill.

sorry your credibility is at question here. You are not a webmaster and if you are then IBill has begged you to stand up for them.

Go back to your puppet masters and ask them why they havent paid their bills to companies or webmasters that are owed? If you truly are a webmaster then you will listen to other webmasters rather than a company that died to us a long time ago.

I have had enough of your sucking the cock of IBill management hoping that webmasters will forget and forgive them. Not going to post to this thread again since you are not interested in hearing from anyone but attempting to promote IBill as a safe company to deal with when every webmaster who has been around knows the facts.

If you want to use IBill then fine - you have been warned by everyone who has dealt with them. But dont come crying like a rejected whore that they are changing and prepared to be forgiven again. and btw.. we are not idiots.. we know you are IBill. Only they have something good to say about their company

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Given the subject and the amount of people still being royally screwed he's also being VERY civil to a complete fucking tosspot Ibill employee with no clue.

Last :2 cents: as it was a daft thread from the start :)

Your glaring arrogance and obvious vested interest paints you as the ONLY individual in this thread that supports iBill's continuing rip-off scam against webmasters. Despite numerous people in this discussion that have pointed out the facts time and time again - still you refuse to listen and continue with your ridiculous iBill defense.

I guess we must all be somehow fucking delusion - and you're the only one with 20/20 vision. Silly us.

Inform those you defend that we *might* listen AFTER revenues owed are paid in full, along with the promised interest.

Until then...STFU. You and the company you sing the praises for are a contemptuous insult and total disgrace to the adult industry, webmaster community and e-commerce entrepreneurs around the world.


SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

Awwww... Did that hurt?
 

You are a narrow minded prick... Yes I said it. I am new to the game, and I don't listen to rumors. But webmasters are not financial advisors.

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tony404
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We continued using them and they havent missed a payment once they started again. Been very steady. Im also using 2 others spreading risk.
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You obviously missed that thread?

:thumbsup elloquently said.

If you listen to webmasters for advice then listen to this - I USE iBill - I have had no problems with them. So for any other webmasters out there who don't actually get off to the porn they sell, like ROB, feel free to use your own mind in making a decision on who you choose to process for you. I also use CCBill, and like them also. Just nothing to defend with them. But when the time comes, I will

and apparently, neither are you by submitting that IBill is secure and safe

[To use ibill or not?]That is a simple answer NO!!!
You have seen what everyone else has said. This company has shown its true colors and to be asked to work with them in any way shape or form is totally out of the question. They owe money and should payup now...not whenever it pleases their ass.
Thank goodness we never used them and we never will.
just my :2 cents:

What the fuck do you know? Really?
 

Give me proof... Not rumor, that iBill, at the present moment is not secure and safe, and I'll switch and utilize only CCBill. But rumor after rumor doesn't change blue to green.

give us proof that you were paid? that you are recieving your money from them.. that they arent manipulating you or that you have a connection to them?

show us that you are getting money or do we take your word on that when hundreds of webmasters (according to you) come on this board and lie that they arent getting paid by IBill. If Ibill was paying them, why isnt IBill coming on to show that they were paid and that the rumours were false??

All you have told me, is what other people have told you. I was told a young age that Santa was real, I'd get money for my teeth if I left them under my pillow, etc... Did you sever your relationship with your parents when you found out they had lied to you about all that? And then go tell all your friends that their parents are liars too?

then show us proof that you are paid faithfully by them or are we to take your word?

show us proof that you are not connected to Ibill in some way or are we to take your word?

Quite possibly Rob, the people who aren't on here posting, are the one's getting paid. I believe that iBill had more than a couple hundred customers, and when you do the math, a very small portion of them are on here complaining. So more people are happy than not, and you just can't get over the fact that someone else is getting paid and a few of your friends haven't gotten paid yet.

then show us proof that you are paid faithfully by them or are we to take your word?

show us proof that you are not connected to Ibill in some way or are we to take your word?

You don't have to take my word, but what do you expect me to give you to prove it? You want my personal account info with them so you can call and verify? Are you nuts?

The only proof you should need is the fact, not rumor, that iBill/IBD/PHSL is still owned by the same people who fucked over so many really good people and forced many of them out of the biz costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars.

If you choose to entrust these people with your money, go for it and I wish you the best. But please do not insult our intelligence by trying to promote them as anything more than they are. Too many people got hurt badly by iBill and no matter how long they pay you on time, iBill is not going to get a second chance.

Second Chance?
 

For a lot of new people out there, it's not a second chance. And if you took a look at the way iBill handles money these days, you would notice differeces. I have researched all over the internet, and to me the choice is easy. It's like the dog at the pound that no one wants, that turns out to be the dog that saves your life! I say if they were #1 before, why can't they be #1 again?

me thinks you are a lawyer for IBill

have a look at these recent samples or do you not trust the new york daily times either and other sites?

http://www.newyorkdailytimes.com/home.htm?m=ibill

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/2/11/16207/9517

http://channels.lockergnome.com/poli...ustomers.phtml

i'm sorry, this could NEVER happen at the NEW ibill........

then why do you demand that webmasters show us proof when you yourself wont give us yours. Why are webmasters liers and your not?

then show us proof that you are paid faithfully by them or are we to take your word?

show us proof that you are not connected to Ibill in some way or are we to take your word?


or Shut the Fuck up

additional proof. lets see yours now?

http://www.newyorkdailytimes.com/home.htm?m=ibill

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/2/11/16207/9517

http://channels.lockergnome.com/pol...customers.phtml

Media, Media, Media - Did you know that those same publications make society believe that they have all kinds of illnesses, that your daughter is too fat, or too skinny, or that bald isn't better? They do the same with business... Scary huh... It is a perpetual cycle of bullshit. The only people you can get answers from is iBill. You don't live off facts you live off fiction. Get your hands dirty to find out where the problem lies, don't ask someone to do it for you.

You've aptly demonstrated your total insignificance. In fact, your posts here are nothing more than stereotypical troll behavior. I suspect your motivations are merely to agitate.

Make no mistake - labeling someone in this community "a narrow minded prick" during a business-oriented discussion will come back to haunt you someday.

What goes around, comes around.

Run along now to your little cubicle where all is happy and bright for you - for the time being.


Silent Knight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

- fucking `tards

If I gave you proof, it wouldn't change your narrow mind. You would try to find some way to debunk my theory that iBill has changed from what you know it to be.

LMAO you are too funny, you really dont want the truth do you??.

first you wont take the word of webmasters, now you wont take the word of trusted new sources.. so lets them ask, if iBill is making a comeback, why are all their ads are dropping off of the sites they started advertising on?

No Cubicle
 

Just a living room and a computer... Sorry to disappoint.. and yes I am insignificant to your little world of hating.

Disappearing Ads?
 

Probably because they are trying to use that money to payout ranting webmasters... Just a thought. But what do I know?

I do admire your tenacity, as misplaced as it is. Just hope you got cash as compensation from iBill. As I expected from you, another typical iBill poster, you ignore the facts and spew crap. The ole, "no publicity is bad publicity" approach.

I'm just glad you guys at iBill keep threads like this alive. Reminds us all of who you really are and what you are really about. Keeps the bitter taste fresh in everyones mouth.

ah.. so it is up to us to prove to you, but you cant prove to us?? You are so OWNED !! YOu cant even prove your own statements but demand us to on ours. I show you articles written by other sources not from the adult industry and you still smirk at it. very similar to a paid employee or a lawyer attempting to make IBill look good with huge mountains of proof.

You truly know how to make a mountain into a molehill.

so lets try this webmasterboy who has nothing to do with Ibill and refuses to accept truth - if iBill is making a comeback, why are all their ads are dropping off of the sites they started advertising on?

to name a few - adultchamber, weboverdrive, netpond, adult insider to name a few. others were prepaid and expiring.

this thread is funny in so many ways

:1orglaugh

:thumbsup :thumbsup

You say tomato-
 

I say go fuck yourself. After all, that's what this site is all about right, helping your "fellow" webmaster-baters, and guiding their decisions by your opinion. Well, time to hit up the local McD's for lunch... Keep up the good advertising with all your messages... good job guys...

are your also webby

http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.php?t=412297

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=426616

thanks for visiting Webby / IBill or whoever you are.

http://www.owned-pictures.com/owned-pictures/003.jpg

Absolutely PRICELESS!!!!!

job well done! :thumbsup :error

Sure I can be objective. when I first started using Ibill many many years ago they were great , 24/7 support, the person on the other end of the phone spoke english :) and knew the answers, payments arrived in my bank on time or withing a day or so. cmi was updated and accurate. loved it.

then one day in september they payments stopped. so did the englisg speaking perople and the 24/7 support, the knolege of the people on the phone IF you could get them was zero and routed oftern to mailboxes that weer full .

Today its a little better, what payments I stil have with them sorta come on time, the reserves never showed up in my account last month, as I am told no ones did, they cant answer my questions. the people on the other end of the phone sometimes barely speak english, 24 / 7 support has gone, even during support hours i oftern get the out of hoursd message at 11 am in the morning (est ) if I have a question about payments i am told there is no superisor there and "payables" wont take phone calls, I have to e-mail them. I do, gues what , no reply. I asked about intergrating ibill as a backup processor with my systems I was told i would receive a call back to help set that up, it never happened.

You ask what I would want. I would want the old ibill back. luckily theire are other processors that are willing to offer this.

Ibill once in the middle of this asked us to trust them, wel since they have about 23K still of my money its a little hard to do, and each time i put down the phone , frustrated because "abdule" from soem inian tech center has no basic information and cant transfer me anywhere my "trust" of them slips alittle further away.

zac