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What's the subscription price?
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I would have to agree with Pleasurepays to some extent and $10,000 per month is not enough at all. My advice would be:
- Budget $50,000/month on pre-paid traffic from Google, Yahoo, and TGP's - Budget $10,000/month for affiliate banners but do not count on them for affiliate traffic. These are only good for branding and name recognition. The affiliate traffic will take 1+ year to build up to a level where it even merits the effort. If you do this, and make sure your site converts before hand, you will be ok. |
Do you even have any traffic to start off with? I am thinking about eventually building a paysite but first i am learning how to get my own traffic before i jump into anything serious.
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Ive been around for 8 years and up until 5 months ago was doing 50 siogn ups per day with an ad budget of $2k pr month an donly a few affiliates. Averaged 10k hits a day.
Now, since my content has changed to all amateur teen (visa, mc rules made me take down my old stuff) - my traffic has slowed to 4-5k per day and about 10-15 sign ups per day. Im looking to boost traffic, boost affiliates (only have a few good ones) and advertising as well. Once i do this my goal is 25-30 per day and its very possible. Easily. BTW, my site is at forbiddenvideo.com Good luck, 100 per day is gonna be tough but not impossible. |
Ok Confused...
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It can be done. And It CAN be done by a new program. But the site/s have to have what the surfer wants, and it has to be either something that they can not get anywhere else, or delivered in a very unique way.
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Well...
I think the site is pretty hot... it's kinda big brother style... 8 top uk girls in a flat... webcammed up... it's not porn... but loads of reality and interaction...
Someone said it's been flogged to death... but I certainly aint seen it that much... and certainly not to the level this site is... Guess we will have to see when it comes out... fingers crossed :) |
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you haven't seen it "that much"... because you haven't been around to see it all come and go. it hasn't been done to death... my point again and again and again and again.. is that these sites SUCK. surfers dont care. they convert like shit, they retain like shit. and i am not the only one that said that. you are in love with an obvious and unoriginal idea that is a shitty business model with obscene overhead that does poorly online and came and went in 98. wow. i guess when you are blowing someone elses money ........ :1orglaugh :1orglaugh |
Hmmm...
OK I guess the proof will be in the pooding, they are commited to this site, and hadnt really seen online as a major revenue, so sure they wont be majorly disapointed...
They are a saterlitte company and its being run in conjuction with other things they have got in mind for it... including mobile media... so stop stressing its all good... The only site i have seen personally is "WeLiveTogether" I thought that converted and rebilled pretty good... and the interaction and reality of this site will be far better than that site... again maybe I am wrong, remember I aint tryign to wear any baseball caps saying "I'm The Best"... Anyways as I said will have to see what happens... maybe I will wake up from my dream world... and realise all you guys were right... Oh there is a second post cause I just cant get my head round the maths by the way... but will post that seperate... |
The Maths...
One or two of you guys have suggested $60k as the advertising budget !!! But I am like WTF... the maths dont add up... and this is where I need some help to clarify it for me...
If I have a site that does 100 sign ups a day at $30 a throw thats $90k a month... now you have to take the processing fee out of that, lets say thats 13%... so about $12000... leaving $78,000... I then reckon on the affilaites fees... even saying they are really small lets say $10,000... that leaves $68,000... you then have to take out the running costs like content and bandwidth... reckon espcially with the type of site this is will be around $4000... leaving $64k... now by the time you take out your advertising budget of $60,000 then your left with a profit of $4000... Gambling $60k with a view to winning $4000 profit ??? hmmmm... Now I actually then though ah but you get your $60k back... but then you are just reinvesting that back into the traffic/promotions !!! So you never really see it... cause again come the end of the month and you have to take it back out again so this is always rolling back into traffic and promo... heaven forbid you have a bad month !!! So am I missing soemthing here with the maths... ??? Help... I am so confused... |
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But as PleasurePays said: it sucks! |
your concept reminds me of real world/big brother. is that what you are aiming for?
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Pretty Much... but more flesh...
yeah pretty much but with more flesh... I thougth guys dug the whoel reality idea... I know they dig the webcam idea... and at the end of the day 8 girls on webcam, webcam shows every night, and tonns of video and pics to boot sounds good to me...
So ok I respect the opinions of the guys who dont think it will work, I also have a lot of positive feed back too... so we'll have to run and see what happens... Those that dont like the sound of it I guess wont be pushing it, thats cool, understand its not everyones cup of tea... but the company are commited to it running, that was decided before they explored the whoel internet money making idea... its original idea was mainly for promotion in a magazine in the uk and to sell mobile media via it... the clean third party billing option open to affilaites is just a add on... if it works great. Anyways no more arguing, no more reason to tell me I am a idiot... thats just not nice... |
Sorry to sound rude but this was tried and beaten to dead +6 years ago...now people just need to turn their tv's on and get flooded with craploads of reality shows...
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Ok...
Rui I am not saying it's original... but surely if the girls are hot... and then you couple that with the interaction and content that will be on the site, it as a chance...
They will be shooting High Definition Video... so the site will have tonns of video... it will also have tonns of pic sets... it will also have daily webcam shows, and I mean webcam shows in addition to the reality side of the site... and other things to give the surfers/members interaction with the girls... If that was someone elses site I would be pretty impressed... all the ingredients I would look for... I'm not saying it's reinventing the wheel... just think its a really good site... but then maybe I am biased |
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Explaining $60k/month advertising budget:
1. This does not cover fixed costs. I am not sure what your fixed costs would be for a site like this. It depends on what you pay the girls, etc. but I would surmise that you need a lot of sales to establish an economy of scale for it to be worth it. 2. $60,000/month will get you about 40-50 sign ups per day at that pricing point if you have good ads. If you did a trial or free join you could get more but I think it would work out to about the same as far as ROI goes. That would come to about $40-50 per sign up. The sign ups have to recur before you make money. At your pricing point: $30 per membership you would make about $30k (after fees) the first month, so would effectively lose, but would see a return in subsequent months. But everyone knows that rebills are what makes money on those types of sites. I would say that you could probably get about a 30% ROI from paid advertising over a 6 month period. 3. The $10,000/month affiliate budget is a negligble amount that wouldn't see any real return for at least a year, as I noted earlier. If you spent about $10,000/month consistently coupled with a good sales person following up with every affiliate I would guess you could get another 20-30 sales/day from affiliates in a year or so. Hope this helps. In my opinion, the site is a bad idea because the fixed costs are probably too high without a large sign up base to make them insignificant. If you can get a good economy of scale going it could be good. |
Oh, I forgot to mention, it would be 40-50 sales/day starting off but you will get re-joins from people who decided to cancel once they got off but then got horny again and typed your domain back in, and joined that way. After a year of 40-50 sales/day consistently you should get about 5-10 re-signs per day. Then there is mailing your cancelled members to get them to rebill again, etc. So after about a year your figures would look like this:
40-50 sales/day from paid advertising 5-10 sales/day from re-joins 5-10 sales/day from mailing cancelled members 20-30 sales/day from affiliates There is really a lot to it and if you guys don't have experience on how to jump right in. |
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100 sales per day?
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Think I said this before...
Think I said this before but will post one last time... Teh site is somethign thats happening anyways... the company is a saterlite company and they uterlise a lot of their content into mobile media sales... things like wallpapers and premium rate numbers...
The site originally was loaded with links to these mobile media sales... I have spoke to them about creating a clean version for 3rd party billing and affilaite sales... they like this idea... So this idea is really a bolt on, they are doing it regardless what comes in from online sales... its just a bonus if its successful... They have already agreed a deal with a UK lads mag "Nuts" which will see 2 to 8 pages per week coverage of whats going on in the CandyCrib... Anyways people thanks for the input even when it got heated :) |
Reality TV programming is still real big in the U.K.
They're more hooked on it than we are... but still, it will be a tough business model to make work How about guerrilla marketing in the U.K. markets? Such as buying simple classified ads in UK publications, teaser ads, hanging up flyers in UK neighborhoods, etc. Yahoo and google aren't the only places to advertise. Now I'm shutting my fucking mouth. |
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4k.. Ok.. theres your bandwidth.. I assume the girls are working for free? or are they making an average wage of around 50k a year ~$1k a week? thats $4k x 8 = $32k/mo You're not drawing a wage are you? or anyone else working on it? what about the person that has to take care of all the crap? manage a roster of girls..do the shopping etc.. is that 4k x X? 1 or 2? or are you the only person working on this besides their company? just 4k a month for you? How do they value their programmers not working on their other projects.. what are the costs of diverting their time onto this? A flat in the UK big enough for 8 girls and nice enough to show off? Lets lowball and say 3k a month. electricity? phone? computer/camera hardware leases? So the back of the napkin talliy is at about 44k/mo. Literally TEN TIMES what you are taking into account. Or is everyone working for free? Is a landlord paying you guys to use his flat? That is why most of these sites don't work. not many companies like sustaining a near 50k/mo bleed till things turn around.. which they usually don't especially when run by people that don't have 5 years in the industry. I wish I could take a cut of the money about to be wasted to stop it from going ahead.. like loss insurance: "sorry guys.. if you run it for 6 months you'll lose 300k plus start up costs of at least 50k. - give me 200k for stopping you from losing 300-400k and in 6 months you'll have 100-200k more money" :) Even with magazine exposure for a month or two (at what cost?) It's going to take a lot more to put it in the black. Seriously.. stop talking 100 sign ups a day to your backers... or at least let them know they'll be lucky to hit 10-20/day for the first few months. Come back in 6 months and let us know how it went.. you can laugh at us with your "success" if you want... but frankly i doubt whether we'll get the chance to say "i told you so" as you'll probably lay low. |
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a group of people got together apparently and said "you know... we want you to take control of this project because you are the best man for the job" and he hasn't even given the whole thing more than 2 minutes thought. btw, you forgot to tally up all the great, high quality content he is going to shoot. of course the "super hot" models will agree to do it for free as will a good photographer. enought content - 8 super hot models. london. videos, photos. thats an easy 50K or more right there. i mean i certainly hope users are not going to open the members area and see nothing more than a few links to a few different cams. even the promo content is going to cost more than 4K. this guy has went from "naive and slightly in denial" to "totally self destructive and borderline insane". :2 cents: |
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If you are part of Jaymancash .....maybe
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Seriously I Love You Guys... Not in a Gay Way !
I do I tell you I love you guys... you obviously just read the bits you want... I mean for a start Pleasure, bhutocracy did tally in a wage for the models... but ah guess you missed the second line of his post... moving on...
You guys dont get the fact this isnt a normal project... I have explained it at least once in this thread but again I guess you decided to skip over that bit... one more time just to show how much love I have for ya... This to the company I am workign for is a bonus... its a bolt on... the site is goign live regardless of how many online sales it makes... amazingly they dont care... and this is why... They produce saterlitte channels and use them to sell mainly mobile media and premium rate lines... as in guy see's chick on TV calls a number and speaks to her... at the same time same guy can buy her pics as wallpapers for his cell phone... thats what they do and have made millions off it ! Now they had this new idea of the Candy Crib... again with a view to selling mobile media... they have a deal with a UK lads mag (which is costing them nothing) which will see 2 to 8 pages of coverage of whats going on in the CandyCrib... now as far as coverage goes (yes UK only) that is pretty awesome... They were just going to offer PayPal subscriptions to people who wanted to access a membership... I was brough onboard for other stuff online within the company when they dumped this on my lap on Thursday... and I think it is a wicked idea... and do believe it has huge potential (guess we will all have to see if I am right or wrong on that fact) and sold them on the idea of creating a mirror site whcih is clean and leak free (so no mobile media sales) and one that affilaites can sign up to... So thats about it really... no extra costs as they were doing it anyways... any sales they make online they are viewing as a bonus... a extra income they hadnt explored... so I dont think I will be laying low... if I get it wrong then I get it wrong... wow someone who can make a mistake, I must be unique... trust me I made them before ! So guys relax, dont stress... I appreciate your input... I actually think some good points have been raised... maybe baby stes are needed... $10 may not bring me 100... maybe they will bring me 15-20... if we do that for three months and the maths adds up then maybe to take it to the next level we will look at dropping $60K in... Anyways thanks for the advice and the anger... |
"They were just going to offer PayPal subscriptions to people who wanted to access a membership"
paypal is great to use for pornsites :) |
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