Why did you sign it then?
WG

He obviously needed the money. People will sign anything to receive money.

I always thought your shit we've / I've had to deal with has been quite clear.


As far as I know it was you buying links from his sites? That would build link popularity, no? Link popularity is apart of SEO, unless you don't consider it to be, which you can't actually do. STOP LYING / bullshitting.


Absolute power over the entire deal; yes, it's called a safety-net, and is the point of a contract --- you shouldn't have signed it if you thought it was 'fucking bullshit' and since you did, and the 'performance of the project which had limited success' [which gave you 6 months of time (I wanted 3 months) which you stated at the time you'd be comfortable and easily be able to accomplish / succeed / perform -- So your #2 reply is fucking bullshit to quote you. BTW, THREE MORE MONTHS on top of the 8+ that you've had to save up money to pay me back?


You haven't even attempted to save up even $1 a day to return the money. And to pay bills and OTHER DEBTS? So, you just stated you do have money, which contradicts basically everything you've said.


"Why did you sign it then?" - WiredGuy
"You wouldn't have paid your debt to him if he didn't have a contract?" - uno

And Chaldoray seems to have the answer... with, "He obviously needed the money. People will sign anything to receive money."

And obviously, you don't sign something at the time if you think it is bullshit.


Disappointed client? You've had my money (high 4 digits) for ~18 months now, and have been bullshitting me this whole time along to give you more time. That's scamming to me.


Not 100% success? It's more around about a 3-4% success give or take 1-2% error margin on my estimate; so the fucking bullshit was created by you.

There are always ways to pay someone back - what do you own of value? Sell things and give me the money; I may agree to receiving a lesser amount from you depending on how quickly the money would be returned.

Okay, well, he just stated he has no assets [BS, because he's typing on a computer, living someone, is likely sitting on a chair and has a desk, and at least one lightbulb, etc.] and continues to breach the contract, and once again admitted to me on ICQ that he's breached the contract, and in here alone also mentioned his 'performance was limited' and that I'm basically an unsatisfied customer [you owe me a lot of money].

I guess time will tell what happens, and no, I don't plan on keeping GFY up-to-date, though people can message me and if I have the time or feel like it, I'll respond. ICQ 129060301 or email [email protected]

Matt

Nice to see you come and post this after our conversation - what do you call this post then? sounds to me like you are keeping them up to date...

I don't know why you would go and post this - it's easier for me to get clients and pay you back if you DON'T post negative shit about me.

You all know how anal retentive Nysus is :upsidedow

As I said I have a few disappointed clients and I owe trax money for a brokerage deal I arranged.



Again this is why I only teach now.

All of my students are happy.

I have not scammed any students - everyone that has paid me has been taught.

Does what I teach work? well I have top ten spots including #1 for handjobs so you decide for yourself.

Is the information I teach worth $1000? well if you have got se traffic before then you know the answer is HELL YES... if you have never got se traffic before then let me tell you that with my teaching if you apply it you can make several thousand per month np.

Hit me up on ICQ to learn this before I don't have to whore my brain out anymore. I will provide you with many happy references of students :thumbsup

bump for the suckers who pays a broke "seo"

Yes, please do give Jojojo money so he has assets / money to pay me back.

And I told you I was going to post, our conversation interrupted my post -- that had mostly been written out already.

And calling me anything isn't a good idea --- and talking with you really means nothing, until I actually have my money back.

And, "your students are happy", congrats, you could end up having to declare bankruptcy if I come after you for the money you owe and damages because everyone / I / you know I would win because you've admitted to everything, even on the board; I don't think that's even entered your mind the consequences you could end up putting yourself into, and once again I'm purely telling you this based on possible situations and to hopefully make you realize what you could end up doing to your own financial / life situation; and no, I'm personally not even the one who even thought about you declaring bankruptcy because you'd not be able to pay / would have everything taken from you [or whatever you have, or say you don't have], so please don't try and state again that I'm trying to intimidate you.

It's simply just not smart to have debts, and especially to not pay them, and even more so to take a long time before even starting to pay them.

And I still hope to hear from you tomorrow as you said you would in the conclusion to our discussion on ICQ.

Matt

Your explanation that you teach because you don't want 1/10 dissatisfied SEO clients yelling at you is bullshit. If you really knew SEO you'd be doing it FOR YOURSELF and raking in so much fucking affiliate income that these meager debts would be paid off long ago.

my only question is, if you are so good at it, why aren't you making a sizeable revenue stream instread of showing others how to make money that could be yours?

:2 cents:

Hey jojojo want to give me a free lesson ? I'll verify that you are legit ;)

I have already explained I sold all my sites long ago I have lots of my own domains I am working on now and once they are making money I won't HAVE TO teach anymore.

I have top ten spots including #1 spots the issue of whether or not I am good at seo shouldn't be in question.

I have many happy students - some of which are now seeing results.

Hit me up and take advantage of my knowledge while I still HAVE TO whore my brain out for a living.

Could you please post the new links you are working on ?

I understand you wanting to drum up some new biz, but don't you realize how insulting it is to post soliciting business on the same board that you owe multiple people money? Also, try dropping your inflated fees and you'll get a lot more work and have some income coming in.

well the person I owe $500 too will be paid as soon as I get $$ in my epass since that is the method they requested - the other debt is very large and I am currently dealing with it with the other party offline on icq making arrangements etc thanks to the stupid ass contract I agreed to.

Inflated fees? I think I am undercharging for my classes considering most people if they use the information will make several thousand per month.

you guys are basically saying, "why become a teacher of anything, you could be making more money knowing what you know than teaching others"

some people choose to do both

not hard to understand. so you have a few bad clients, i wonder how many bad clients microsoft has LOL

not to mention sometimes business deals do not work out. this is not the shoppping channel, you do not get a 30 day money back guarantee. I mean come on guys, aren't you smart enough to be able to play with what you can afford to lose with out whineing over it?

thanks for seeing the logic... I definitely have more happy clients vs pissed off ones.

and everyone I have taught is happy.

I don't see why its so hard to fathom that I am sick of being responsible for people's rankings when they give me one site to work on... now that I teach it people can make 10 sites and SOME will work and they will make an ROI... isn't that the most important thing - that they make an ROI on their investment and they are happy? I think teaching is a win win situation for all.

Fuck it..I will give it a shot, why not.

I will pay Trax the $500 you owe him right now and you give me package #1, the $1000 package.

Deal?

Deal. ICQing you now to make arrangements.

Cool.

Trax, please ICQ me with your paypal info.

sent you a paypal addy

T

How did you send it? I don't have an email or icq from you.

jeff AT sunupmedia DOT com

100 Happy Students :thumbsup

Jojojo - I have been online ALL day + the stupid ass agreement that YOU signed.. what does that make you, using logic?

Dion - You're an idiot. This is business, not a playground where you play marbles. 30 days money-back guarantee? Actually, it was 6 months (6 times of what you mentioned, if you can't figure that out) money-back guarantee that was agreed to upon the guidelines of the contract, and it has now been ~18+ months --- that's 18 times the "30 days money-back guarantee".

Jojojo and Dion, your logic is both flawed to the bone.

By the way, Jojojo, that $500 your getting for giving out a $1000 package should be going to me, that's pretty fucking scummy [not unexpected] of you to do -- no offense to you Trax, I know he owes you as well, though I'm fairly sure he's owed me longer.

Matt

See people, seobook would have been much cheaper. But alas it would have gone with out all these fun jojojojo threads and drama.

:pimp

WTF - We haven't even finalized our settlement and already you are on here tripping out and calling people you don't even know idiots??

As I said we haven't finalized our settlement and no I have actually owed this $$ to trax long before I entered into your "I get your first born child also" contract. He never asked me for it until recently and now he is getting it.

HAHAHA. You don't see why it's so hard to phathom that you are sick of being responsible for people's rankings when they give you one site to work on [or many]? ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU AGREED TO DO?

Thanks for just admitting that you had no intention to do what you promised contractually, at all; being responsible for people's site rankings / what I paid you for / what you agreed to do.

Matt

You're saying wtf? I should be the one saying wtf..

You haven't contacted me as you said. It's 9 PM now, yes, there is some of 'today' left, so you still could contact me.

And I know you, and you agreed with Dion, and I also know logic; and what Dion said, and what you agreed to is illogical; I'm merely replacing the word illogical with stupidity.

Also.. haven't finalized our contract? With you acting how you just are acting today alone, there's even less reason for me to believe you'll follow through on anything you state. You said you don't even have $500 to pay me, and the second you did you'd send me that, just to show you're serious that you'll get me my money --- and now that you have the money available, you don't do it.

So --- Who wants to takeover Jojojo's debt he has with me?

Matt

clearly I am wasting my time with you - if you want your money take me to court - clearly you aren't interested in settling things peacefully.

Lets collect some funds for Jojojo!
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LOL!

8char

How long does it take you to setup a website?

I've seen you mention you're *setting* up new sites before but where are they? Are you typing a tag a day?

? where? they aren't for public display - they are being made - and Yahoo takes 60-90 days to show results for competitive kw's

If I didn't have to spend hours dealing with bs and trying to close people and teach people I would have more time to work on them.

BTW - Nysus and I are negotiating a settlement out of court.

You pasted an ICQ message into the board? Okay.. And, it's not logical for you to call me an 'attention seeker' -- at least not in this thread, you owe me money, most people who are owed money will post in a thread of a person that owes them money.

And, you're simply LYING when you said I'm not interested in settling things "peacefully" --- it's already been at least 18 months, meaning at least 12 months so far that you haven't paid me or paid me back anything.

You state you have no assets, and you tell me to 'fucking dream on' when I suggest for you to cut back on your expenses, and use that money to pay me back.

And clearly you're the one wasting your time with me?? I've already wasted 18 months with you... stop trying to flip this around.

And, I could easily offer for $250 and offer the likely exactly the same lessons as you do or better, but I'm not / wouldn't because that would simply create competition for myself.

Ha, okay, I had this sitting here and now that Jojojo said that it was my own choice to renew the domain names for the sites I paid him to do [to make money, as he promised / agreed to do / said he'd feel comfortable and able to do within 6 months]; him trying to say I didn't have to renew them ... which would have been basically wasting ANY value that may have been created from his work.

I'm glad Jojojo has stated he's wasting his time though, as it's also showing it's been a waste of my time.

Anyhow, I will let you know my answer once I've thought it over. And, it may be more than 24 hours before you get my answer; I think that's quite fair since you've had my money for ~12+ months longer than you should of [not that I was assuming you were expecting an answer within 24 hours / 1 day, but incase you were].

Matt

thanks for the effort jojojo but I think some people here doesn't need it.

Translation = we are working out a settlement :1orglaugh

Learn while you still can people...

jojojo I'll teach you some seo for $999 since you can't make any money from it

Thanks for the bump - I got #1 spots now - except I got them for other people :upsidedow

hit me up peeeeeeeeeople :thumbsup

do you really find idiots here to send you $$$$ ?

LOL

i got to give you props if you do only an idiot woud send you $$$$

a more drama was created

Wow! This thread is better than the World Series!

Yes of course - usually people that hire me never reply to my thread they just contact me directly... here is why:

1. I have top ten spots for huge keywords like #1 for handjobs which they can see in this post.

2. I have taught many happy clients and have many references of happy students.

A lot of people would like to know how to make money from se's since the traffic is so good and basically residual. A lot of people will see the opportunity they have here and take advantage of it while its still possible. I am the only seo in 2.5yrs to ever post on gfy for business that posts examples of top ten spots.

icq me people! :thumbsup