GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum (https://gfy.com/index.php)
-   Fucking Around & Business Discussion (https://gfy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=26)
-   -   BDSM Officially Illegal in U.S. (https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=530543)

dcortez 10-20-2005 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CynthiaB
"sadistic and masochistic behavior"

Does this include all of Cybernetbucks sites - WhippedAss, Hogtied, etc. Cyn

CybernetBucks puts out the *best* *classy* high quality content and it does it in a way which makes it clear that *everyone* involved is consenting and has a real desire to do what they do -- this is the only way edgy stuff should be put out there.

I have always admired how they package their scenes and conduct themselves in the BDSM niche.

If this obviously consentual material between adults is disallowed, then the US is in serious trouble as far it's place in the world with respect to free speech in civillized first world nations.

This is going way too far!

How long are Americans going to allow this??

In Canada, we have had recent milestone rulings (thanks to some outfits which toughed it out at considerable expense) which recognize that consentual BDSM (even with explicit sexuality) among adults is a legitimate and legal form of adult sexuality.

-Dino

dcortez 10-20-2005 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmonger
doesn't help that there was a bsdm photographer that killed that Canadian model last year during a shoot.

Yah right. By that logic then, religion should be made illegal because of all the children who have been raped by clergy.

I bet you more kids have been sexually abused by 'men of the cloth' than models harmed by adult photographers.

-Dino

budz 10-20-2005 10:10 PM

goddamn, lets impeach the fucker already :x

SilentKnight 10-20-2005 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
really? i would say that by your logic, the entire country should be up in arms and pissed off... but they aren't. aint that strange?

You can point out where I made that assertion?
Quote:

besides, i seriously doubt that Bush is sitting in his office browsing porn sites and comes across red rose stories and demands that it be shut down. thats basically what you are implying or suggesting.
And this simplistic implication was made...where?
Quote:

not only that.. but the laws that these people are being prosecuted under are not new. Bush did not dream them up. is that his fault too?
And who said the laws are new and that Bush dreamed them up?

So far you're 3 of 3 for things I never said.

But rather than let you carry on mistakenly attempting to put words in my mouth...

What I AM saying - Bush is responsible for repeatedly appointing Attorney Generals with the common mandate of applying pressure to the collective adult entertainment industry...based on his own underlying religious beliefs and what he wrongly believes are the same beliefs shared by the majority. In fact, all he is doing is pandering to a minority of religious fundamentalists - the squeaky wheels who have enough spare time on their hands to effectively lobby their case to a sympathetic ear.

Not to mention it all makes a convenient political smokescreen for Shrub - what he hopes will be a diversion from the fact that public sentiment concerning the war on terrorism overseas is beginning to turn against him...coupled with the U.S. economy going straight down the shitter. He desperately needs a victory...somewhere...anywhere. And with the fundamentalists cheering him on from their lofty soapbox perspectives - `ole George declares war on law-abiding, taxpaying (and voting) pornographers. You see, George couldn't find Bin Laden. He can't install democracy in Iraq. He can't fix the economy (just like his daddy). Terrorists are still on the loose.

But Shrub is shrewd this time...he knows where to find his newly-minted porn arch-enemies and in what direction to dispatch his appointed henchmen. Its all right there in 2257.

And while Mr. Bush is busy rallying the porn stormtroopers in the hopes of satisfying the stiff-necked bible-thumpers...those of us north of the border are also busy devising our own battle plans - part of which involves securing alternative non-U.S. webhosting, and thus taking revenues out of the hands of our American webhosting cousins.

Attaboy, George. Yipey-aye-eh...go get`em cowboy!


SilentKnight

www.kastlearchives.com
www.fetishopolis.com
www.chamberofchains.com

tony286 10-20-2005 10:35 PM

where are all the bush supporters to say how this is all in our minds? lol

selena 10-20-2005 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster
First off - Id love to see a link to that statement by the attorney general - as I sure cant find one and since its given as fact it better be able to be backed up
Second - someone needs to check the facts inthis press release as it makes it sound like there were two different arrests in Lakeland and both refer to the same person
As far as Im concerned this is just another "the sky is falling" post till you can prove otherwise


In Linkster I Trust.

:)

tony286 10-20-2005 10:41 PM

would rope bondage fit that or a mistress maid scenerio. I have very little of that niche on my site but if it could cause bullshit I would rather get rid of it.

ArcherJanvier 10-20-2005 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcortez
CybernetBucks puts out the *best* *classy* high quality content and it does it in a way which makes it clear that *everyone* involved is consenting and has a real desire to do what they do -- this is the only way edgy stuff should be put out there.

I have always admired how they package their scenes and conduct themselves in the BDSM niche.

If this obviously consentual material between adults is disallowed, then the US is in serious trouble as far it's place in the world with respect to free speech in civillized first world nations.

This is going way too far!

How long are Americans going to allow this??

In Canada, we have had recent milestone rulings (thanks to some outfits which toughed it out at considerable expense) which recognize that consentual BDSM (even with explicit sexuality) among adults is a legitimate and legal form of adult sexuality.

-Dino

Dino,

Wake up and smell the coffee,
Your points about free speech are admirable and I agree with them, but defending Peter and his crock of scum as "classy" is way, way off the mark.

Hogtied, WaterBondage, and his other crap are NOT BDSM, they are SADISM plain sweet and simple. Models have been seriously hurt and almost killed doing this stupid shit. I know several of them personally. For what? Sorry Man, Been in this biz for a long, long time. This is a guy (photographer) just getting his jollies by hurting people - seen it way too many times.

Is it any wonder that he has made himself a target?

Pleasurepays 10-20-2005 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight
You can point out where I made that assertion?

And this simplistic implication was made...where?

And who said the laws are new and that Bush dreamed them up?

So far you're 3 of 3 for things I never said.

But rather than let you carry on mistakenly attempting to put words in my mouth...

What I AM saying - Bush is responsible for repeatedly appointing Attorney Generals with the common mandate of applying pressure to the collective adult entertainment industry...based on his own underlying religious beliefs and what he wrongly believes are the same beliefs shared by the majority. In fact, all he is doing is pandering to a minority of religious fundamentalists - the squeaky wheels who have enough spare time on their hands to effectively lobby their case to a sympathetic ear.

Not to mention it all makes a convenient political smokescreen for Shrub - what he hopes will be a diversion from the fact that public sentiment concerning the war on terrorism overseas is beginning to turn against him...coupled with the U.S. economy going straight down the shitter. He desperately needs a victory...somewhere...anywhere. And with the fundamentalists cheering him on from their lofty soapbox perspectives - `ole George declares war on law-abiding, taxpaying (and voting) pornographers. You see, George couldn't find Bin Laden. He can't install democracy in Iraq. He can't fix the economy (just like his daddy). Terrorists are still on the loose.

But Shrub is shrewd this time...he knows where to find his newly-minted porn arch-enemies and in what direction to dispatch his appointed henchmen. Its all right there in 2257.

And while Mr. Bush is busy rallying the porn stormtroopers in the hopes of satisfying the stiff-necked bible-thumpers...those of us north of the border are also busy devising our own battle plans - part of which involves securing alternative non-U.S. webhosting, and thus taking revenues out of the hands of our American webhosting cousins.

Attaboy, George. Yipey-aye-eh...go get`em cowboy!


SilentKnight

www.kastlearchives.com
www.fetishopolis.com
www.chamberofchains.com

dude... again.. "bush is responsible for..." ok... whatever. as i have said, this is democracy at work. Its not like the guy is illegally creating secret kill squads who sneak around in the night and slit the throats of pornographers. they are working within the law, creating new laws and prosecutors are enforcing existing laws. thats how the system is supposed to work.

if people dont like it... they can change it. my point is that obviously not too many people seem to want to change it. and ... thats how a democracy works.

i understand what you are saying... and as i keep saying, you are describing the political process at work. it seems to be working. if a fucking nutcase has a whacked agenda that no one agrees with.. the its up to people to get upset about it and voice their opinions, at which point they generally back down, laws are rescinded or repealed or modified and so on.

and i dont think he beleives his religious beliefs are those of the majority. i think he is doing what he believes is right. i dont agree with it and think he is an idiot... but that does not change the fact that this is a democracy at work, the laws were already on the books and therefore the threat of prosecution has ALWAYS been a real threat and this round of prosecutions is not the first under existing obscenity laws.

Bush is a dipshit, but its pretty shallow and shortsighted to blame all your frustration on him. If someone is trading free porn for pics of war dead or writing stories about a guy fingering a 6 month old.. i think its quite reasonable to expect to be called on it by a bunch of religious idiots in small christian shithole in a florida swamp... and Miller vs California gives them the right to decide what is ok and what isn't. Bush did not give them that power.

SilentKnight 10-20-2005 11:36 PM

As long as you're happy with your interpretation of reality, that's all that really matters, right?

Meanwhile, I have business to attend to. Rumour has it there's some fundamentalists down the street that badly need corrupting.

Thanks for playing.


SilentKnight

www.kastlearchives.com
www.fetishopolis.com
www.chamberofchains.com

woj 10-20-2005 11:36 PM

50....,...... :)

Sebastian Sands 10-20-2005 11:45 PM

it's all because of that new religion they are trying to force upon us "Hypochristianity"

BlueQuartz 10-20-2005 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockbear
Damn a lot of site and content going to be removed for the next days.

But I agree with that "bestiality, urination,
defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior"

I personally never played with that stuff and never will.

OMG - can you fuckign believe this c*nt

you personally dont enjoy a bit of slap and tickle so you think its ok to pass a law so no one on earth can enjoy it - WTF!!!

honestly what the fuck is a narrow minded fuckstain like you even doin here

xNetworx 10-20-2005 11:48 PM

All you tards that voted for Bush to save tax $ or whatever ... here is what you get

Elli 10-20-2005 11:52 PM

It's not on the NCSF site yet?

SilentKnight 10-21-2005 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elli
It's not on the NCFS site yet?

I didn't originally quote it from the source - waiting on verification from the webmaster who originally posted the NCFS release in another BDSM forum.

My bad for not checking myself before reposting.


S.K.

corbu 10-21-2005 01:33 AM

i got lots of bdsm fetish sites!
come promote me and get arrested!

Noir 10-21-2005 02:03 AM

that sucks, im a bittime biter

Turf 10-21-2005 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppet
So just because you don't like it means that no one else should be able to enjoy it? I may not be into scat or golden showers, but hey, whatever floats someone else's boat is fine with me.

The only thing I DON'T agree with is anything that is non-consensual, meaning anything that involves rape, kids and/or animals.

agreed!!

Linkster 10-21-2005 03:03 AM

For those of you that actually read this thread - that original quote from the Attorney General was part of that DOJ memo that was posted in the Washington Post over two months ago when they were trying to recruit FBI agents to man the "porn squad" - this is way old news and a bunch of BS being thrown out to scare WMs again - when this first aired in the news people were laughing at it because the FBI agents wouldnt even volunteer for this job - trying to tie together (pun intended) these cases where a guy got hammered by a local sheriff and someone allegedly pushing pedo to gain memberships in your organization is the worst kind of scam!

you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to sensationalize this shit for personal gain :(

Like I said a long time ago - beware of people yelling the sky is falling - especially when they are trying to make money off of it

baddog 10-21-2005 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budz
goddamn, lets impeach the fucker already :x


You feel this is am impeachable offense?

Anna_O 10-21-2005 03:16 AM

I can't believe this is happening... Where is the so important first amendment now? Luckily we are in Sweden with an european host, but we have quite a few BDSM sponsors that might be targeted now :(

baddog 10-21-2005 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anna_O
I can't believe this is happening... Where is the so important first amendment now? Luckily we are in Sweden with an european host, but we have quite a few BDSM sponsors that might be targeted now :(

read - Don't believe everything you read on the Internet

BRISK 10-21-2005 03:22 AM

http://jesuspenis.ericschwartz.com/m...o/JP_Full2.wmv

Anna_O 10-21-2005 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog
read - Don't believe everything you read on the Internet

Only read page one, my mistake. Anyway the situation is still pretty fucked up.

Markit 10-21-2005 03:35 AM

WTF
...this is dictature at work
hail bush
:)

Quant_-_ 10-21-2005 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppet
So just because you don't like it means that no one else should be able to enjoy it? I may not be into scat or golden showers, but hey, whatever floats someone else's boat is fine with me.

The only thing I DON'T agree with is anything that is non-consensual, meaning anything that involves rape, kids and/or animals.

I agree totally, but I'd like to add to that list this: even if is consensual but is hurting one of the parties involved (say somebody likes to have girls cut him with knives really badly and sick things like that, that goes beyond freedom in many ways). Anyway, all this is totally stupid. I'm hosted in Amsterdam and I'm so happy I moved my server there (it was in US before). I hope the winds will start blowing in a different direction over there at US.

poppet 10-21-2005 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quant_-_
I agree totally, but I'd like to add to that list this: even if is consensual but is hurting one of the parties involved (say somebody likes to have girls cut him with knives really badly and sick things like that, that goes beyond freedom in many ways). Anyway, all this is totally stupid. I'm hosted in Amsterdam and I'm so happy I moved my server there (it was in US before). I hope the winds will start blowing in a different direction over there at US.

Hey, cutters need love too. On a serious note, though, anyone who attempts to do any sort of blood/cutting/piercing play needs to be thoroughly trained in how to do it BEFORE attempting it and should always have at least one first-aid qualified standby available in case accidents happen. (One of the main reasons that most public dungeons have DMs (Dungeon Monitors) available is to keep an eye on not only the entire dungeon but especially dangerous play situations. I've been DM qual'd for years.)

This increase in hate toward BDSM sites is another reason I'm dragging my feet about launching mine. :(

dcortez 10-21-2005 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcherJanvier
Dino,

Wake up and smell the coffee,
Your points about free speech are admirable and I agree with them, but defending Peter and his crock of scum as "classy" is way, way off the mark.

Hogtied, WaterBondage, and his other crap are NOT BDSM, they are SADISM plain sweet and simple. Models have been seriously hurt and almost killed doing this stupid shit. I know several of them personally. For what? Sorry Man, Been in this biz for a long, long time. This is a guy (photographer) just getting his jollies by hurting people - seen it way too many times.

Is it any wonder that he has made himself a target?

Fair enough. You're entitled to your view and perhaps you have had more insight/first hand experience with them.

My comment was more directed at supporting consentual sexuality -especially if it is packaged as such.

I'll take any of their stuff over most of the 'throatjob' sites out there (which present mysogynistic abuse of women as the fantasy).

-Dino

directfiesta 10-21-2005 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockbear
Damn a lot of site and content going to be removed for the next days.

But I agree with that "bestiality, urination,
defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior"

I personally never played with that stuff and never will.

Who the fuck cares if you are " into it " or not ....

I am not into gang bangs, so I think they should prosecute that...

You should not even be allowed to be in this business...

directfiesta 10-21-2005 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog
read - Don't believe everything you read on the Internet


Why should I believe that ?

Because it is on the internet ?

Linkster ( and yourself ) are hardcore rep/bush supporters.

Is it true that The Gov promised to act on pornography ?
Is it true that they actually have created an FBI squad solely for porn ?
Is it true that they are packing the Supreme court with righ wing religious " judges "

So this could be very well true.

Stop living in a denial world.

You fucked up by voting Bush in a SECOND time , so admit your error.

nico-t 10-21-2005 09:24 AM

im really fucking speechless

HEIL ADOLF BUSH!

nastyboy1 10-21-2005 09:49 AM

I'm fucking ashamed of some of you.

Pull content down...tuck tail and run...WEAK!

If the FSC had done the same we would at this moment be living with 2257 regs that are nearly impossible to follow and putting models at risk. But they with many in the industry fought and continue to fight.

If Brandi and I had bowed down to the Department of Social Services and the local athorities we would have lost our daughter and our business. But rather than cry and whine like a bunch of fucking babies we fought...and won.

I would rather fight and lose...even go to jail than have to live knowing I was a pathetic, coward who stands for nothing.

So to all those who want to bow out...Go Fuck Yourself

Sarah_Jayne 10-21-2005 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erraticimpact
ok.. beastiality, urination and defecation I can understand... but how are they going to draw the line on sado-masochistic behavior? I mean, are they going to consider even velvet cuffs obscene? the net is once again going to be thrown WAY to wide to the detriment of many ppl... and for WHAT?!! it's complete insanity running from one fad to the next...


I don't even understand urination. It isn't my bag but who really cares if people want to pee on each other or even just take pics of a very natural act.

maxsweet 10-21-2005 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nastyboy1
I'm fucking ashamed of some of you.

Pull content down...tuck tail and run...WEAK!

If the FSC had done the same we would at this moment be living with 2257 regs that are nearly impossible to follow and putting models at risk. But they with many in the industry fought and continue to fight.

If Brandi and I had bowed down to the Department of Social Services and the local athorities we would have lost our daughter and our business. But rather than cry and whine like a bunch of fucking babies we fought...and won.

I would rather fight and lose...even go to jail than have to live knowing I was a pathetic, coward who stands for nothing.

So to all those who want to bow out...Go Fuck Yourself

This is exactly right. There has never been any kind of change without people willing to take the chance and fight for their rights and their lifestyles. The forces of intolerance will continue to push as long as there is no resistance.

As many of you know BDSM was illegal in Canada and we were brought up on obscenity charges because of our Sadoslaves and Miss Pain sites. We defended ourselves vigorously because you can see this type of material everywhere you look in the mainstream. From shows such as "Kink" to popular movies, to popular fashions - fetish and bdsm themes are pervasive. All we had to do is prove to a judge that these practices are part of a safe and sane sexual life with testimony from renowned psychologists etc.

We were found not guilty and now it is safe for people to produce this type of content in Canada. We are very proud of what we accomplished and I sincerely hope there is someone in the US who will challenge this in court.

For anyone interested in the judge's full written decision on our case:
Judge's Legal Decision on Sweet Enterainment Obscenity Case

tASSy 10-21-2005 11:03 AM

definitely scare tactics, but still troublesome. :2 cents:

Linkster 10-21-2005 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
Linkster ( and yourself ) are hardcore rep/bush supporters.

Is it true that The Gov promised to act on pornography ?
Is it true that they actually have created an FBI squad solely for porn ?
Is it true that they are packing the Supreme court with righ wing religious " judges "

So this could be very well true.

Stop living in a denial world.

You fucked up by voting Bush in a SECOND time , so admit your error.

First off - you obviously didnt read what I fucking posted - the facts behind the original posters story are somewhat true - however it was embellished by some right-wing bigot to make it sound like we should run out and give them money to help protect ourselves
And if you have ever read any of my posts I am the furthest thing you will ever run into from a Rep or right-winged - it is always better to read posts before making judgements. No one is in denial - but Ill be damned if Im going to contribute money to people that lie about the facts. And Id be the first to tell you that if I had even come close to voting for Bush I would have committed suicide first - however I do have a BIG problem with others that tell me that what my political beliefs should be when they dont even vote - yes I voted for Kerry - and I have voted in every election over the last 33 years since I turned 18. And voted Democrat every time.

SilentKnight 10-21-2005 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster
For those of you that actually read this thread - that original quote from the Attorney General was part of that DOJ memo that was posted in the Washington Post over two months ago when they were trying to recruit FBI agents to man the "porn squad" - this is way old news and a bunch of BS being thrown out to scare WMs again - when this first aired in the news people were laughing at it because the FBI agents wouldnt even volunteer for this job - trying to tie together (pun intended) these cases where a guy got hammered by a local sheriff and someone allegedly pushing pedo to gain memberships in your organization is the worst kind of scam!

you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to sensationalize this shit for personal gain :(

Like I said a long time ago - beware of people yelling the sky is falling - especially when they are trying to make money off of it

See http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...9&postcount=56

I reposted the article in good faith after taking it at face value...and I admit to the mistake of not checking the validity beforehand.

Aside from that, I now have a call in to Susan Wright (spokesperson with the NCSF - left voicemail) attempting to verify the validity of that press release.

I'm waiting to hear back from NCSF at this point (and the webmaster who originally posted the release).

And yes, I'm aware of the DOJ memo in the Washington Post.


SilentKnight

SilentKnight 10-22-2005 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster
First off - Id love to see a link to that statement by the attorney general - as I sure cant find one and since its given as fact it better be able to be backed up

As far as Im concerned this is just another "the sky is falling" post till you can prove otherwise

Linkster:

http://www.ncsfreedom.org/news/2005/...cenityWave.htm

Susan Wright phoned me earlier to say the webmaster was just slow in adding the press release to their site.


SilentKnight

www.kastlearchives.com
www.fetishopolis.com
www.chamberofchains.com

Linkster 10-22-2005 04:31 AM

SilentKnight - ya missed my point - that press release is false - it has bad info in it and thats why i wanted to see a link to the statement by the Attny Gen as I know that is the exact words he used in the memo to fbi agents back in July this year - when most people at the FBI were laughing at him for even trying this - and Im pretty sure that he hasnt issued another statement like they say in the press release
Also they misstate two cases in Florida - first off they are both the same case and same person - and second he hasnt been prosecuted yet.
The also list the fact that there were 40 obscenity cases prosecuted in the US since 2001 - this would also require some facts to back up as I think that there has only been 1 and that one the govt lost.
The fact that one WM has decided to close down their site without fighting sounds to me like they are probably part of this organization and doing it to back up getting people to donate to this cause - which in this case unfortunately sounds like a bunch of people embellishing the truth to make money.

If someone has a real case (and not a pedo case like the other case they mention in that release) then I totally agree that we should back the FSC or EFF to go after the Gov't - just like we have in the past - and won.
They also mention that only 4 cases were brought during Clinton - but if I remember correctly - his Atty Gen did exactly the same thing and caused all of us to have problems and fight against the first COPA - I still remember everyone having the little ribbon and the black pages

The overall point is that there are some people in this industry that try to benefit from causing alarm based on false stories - and it seems to be growing exponentially in the last year - its shameful - but expected in an environment where its already worked once


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:06 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©2000-, AI Media Network Inc123