Hardcore Producers, Please Consider: (opinions, Ladies?) - GoFuckYourself.com

Donny · 10-20-2005, 09:04 AM

Why not produce hardcore that appeals more to women as well as men? Girls like to see hardcore action, too, but many of them need a few things to really get them going.

For example:

Kissing - doesn't have to be lovey, dovey kissing. Some firm, "Oh my God I want to fuck you!" type kissing helps get the women I know going. The male shows some aggression but in an "I really fucking want you!" way instead of a "You're my cum bucket" type way. Know what I mean?

Also... do things that have the woman get off first. Concentrate on her. Find out what actually gets her off and do it on camera. Maybe she has to be riding him on top and kissing hard like mentioned before. Just do it! I know I'd like watching that too.

Then, when she's taken care of, let the male actor have his way with her in whatever manner he needs to get himself off. I know certain women who will remain unnamed that absolutely love it when a man takes what he wants, particularly after giving her what SHE wants.

I bet such content would convert like crazy!

Juicy D. Links · 10-20-2005, 10:01 AM

I love watching the guys balls from the back view pounding the muffin

S P A N N O W · 10-20-2005, 10:07 AM

I believe its been done (exactly as you described) several years ago. The majority of adult consumers have always been male and therefore it makes sense to appeal to them. Generally speaking women don't buy porn on the scale that men do. So no matter how perfect the packaging it's very likely that it wouldn't sell like mad. Whether its a social hangup or something else girls aren't as porn crazy as most men....IMHO

Donny · 10-20-2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by S P A N N O W

I believe its been done (exactly as you described) several years ago. The majority of adult consumers have always been male and therefore it makes sense to appeal to them. Generally speaking women don't buy porn on the scale that men do. So no matter how perfect the packaging it's very likely that it wouldn't sell like mad. Whether its a social hangup or something else girls aren't as porn crazy as most men....IMHO

I think this is going to change. Because girls I interview now tell me that they look at porn in their dorm rooms and that most of the girls they know do the same. I think the taboo on women watching porn is going to die (a slow death, perhaps, but die nonetheless).

And besides, the porn I mentioned above would probably interest ME a lot more than what's out there right now.

baddog · 10-20-2005, 10:11 AM

Without going too deep, the simple reason is that while it may convert like crazy, for a content provider, there is little demand.

adultchica · 10-20-2005, 10:13 AM

I've bought memberships to pornsites a few times, and I'm a girl. But it's not something that I concentrate on. Women surfers like to be anonymous, and are on the lookout for free porn too. Women look at porn more than you think. I don't just do it for work, sometimes I enjoy watching it too. Girl/girl/guy is a big seller with women. Those type of sites really get me off. Thanks

S P A N N O W · 10-20-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

I think this is going to change. Because girls I interview now tell me that they look at porn in their dorm rooms and that most of the girls they know do the same. I think the taboo on women watching porn is going to die (a slow death, perhaps, but die nonetheless).

And besides, the porn I mentioned above would probably interest ME a lot more than what's out there right now.

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Originally Posted by baddog

Without going too deep, the simple reason is that while it may convert like crazy, for a content provider, there is little demand.

You're right Donny, more and more girls are enjoying watching porn. However, baddog speaks directly to my point -> most women don't BUY it.

baddog · 10-20-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

I think this is going to change. Because girls I interview now tell me that they look at porn in their dorm rooms and that most of the girls they know do the same. I think the taboo on women watching porn is going to die (a slow death, perhaps, but die nonetheless).

The major flaw in your theory is that you are talking to (potential) models that shoot porn, or chicks in the industry. That is such a minor segment of socienty, that it isn't even funny.

That is all I am going to say on a public forum until I announce the launch of my next project.

Honez · 10-20-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

I love watching the guys balls from the back view pounding the muffin

Juicy, you almost distrub me

After Shock Media · 10-20-2005, 10:34 AM

Until people find a way to mix a soap opera with hardcore sex I do not see women being real consumers. Unfortunatly this would require good story lines and real acting. Neither of which our industry does well.

LiveDose · 10-20-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

I love watching the guys balls from the back view pounding the muffin

Overshare.

S P A N N O W · 10-20-2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Until people find a way to mix a soap opera with hardcore sex I do not see women being real consumers. Unfortunatly this would require good story lines and real acting. Neither of which our industry does well.

They already did - it was "Sex in the City" - women loved it!

adultchica · 10-20-2005, 10:42 AM

OK, I just asked my best friend about this. She's NOT in the industry, she's a soldier in the military and she's 24 years old. I asked if she's ever bought a membership to a porn site, ANSWER: Yes. Question: How many times? Answer: Twice What type of site was it? Answer: Adult Friend Finder ( I know that's not really porn, but I guess she sees it that way) and another one I don't remember. Question: Would you buy a membership to a porn site again, and if so, what type? Answer: Yes I would.
Question: Do you really look at porn, and if so, how often? Answer: Yes I really do Misty, damn it, haha. Why are you asking me all this? I look at it about once a week.
Question: What really turns you on? Answer: Two hot looking people having sex.

OK, I had no idea she looked at porn. Interesting! I called her up on the cell because I was curious to see. It's really a surprise to me, though. That may just be a random case, but I wonder if there's a lot more women out there who look at it but don't admit it. I bet there's a LOT. Not JUST in this industry.

baddog · 10-20-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by adultchica

OK, I just asked my best friend about this. She's NOT in the industry, she's a soldier in the military and she's 24 years old. I asked if she's ever bought a membership to a porn site, ANSWER: Yes. Question: How many times? Answer: Twice What type of site was it? Answer: Adult Friend Finder ( I know that's not really porn, but I guess she sees it that way) and another one I don't remember. Question: Would you buy a membership to a porn site again, and if so, what type? Answer: Yes I would.
Question: Do you really look at porn, and if so, how often? Answer: Yes I really do Misty, damn it, haha. Why are you asking me all this? I look at it about once a week.
Question: What really turns you on? Answer: Two hot looking people having sex.

OK, I had no idea she looked at porn. Interesting! I called her up on the cell because I was curious to see. It's really a surprise to me, though. That may just be a random case, but I wonder if there's a lot more women out there who look at it but don't admit it. I bet there's a LOT. Not JUST in this industry.

Of course they look at it, they also have sex. They just rarely have to pay for either.

And "a lot" is pretty subjective.

After Shock Media · 10-20-2005, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by S P A N N O W

They already did - it was "Sex in the City" - women loved it!

Well S P A N N O W, first off it really was called "Sex and the City" common mistake though

. Second although it did have nudity and implied sex, it did not have hardcore sex.
Though yes if you could take that style of show yet also show actual penetration then yes you would have a winner.

S P A N N O W · 10-20-2005, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Well S P A N N O W, first off it really was called "Sex and the City" common mistake though

. Second although it did have nudity and implied sex, it did not have hardcore sex.
Though yes if you could take that style of show yet also show actual penetration then yes you would have a winner.

Yes, but would women have watched it in droves (like they did) if it had had hardcore sex in it is the real question....

See I believe that women don't actually want to see it (like guys do) but rather prefer to have it implied...

CynthiaB · 10-20-2005, 11:15 AM

Women would look at and pay for more porn if it was appealing - but a quick surf over the top sites and they're mostly disgusting (IMHO) - lots of over the top language, lots of fluids, teen looking sweeties batting their lashes. I'd like to see hunky guys, stories, romance and then the sex. . .

Cyn

Donny · 10-20-2005, 11:17 AM

I think they like to see.

And I also think that we're missing a little something here: I'm not saying that we need to target a female only audience, rather an audience that comprises both men, women, and couples. I think that last one is a potential gold mine.

"Sure honey, you can buy the membership because I like the site too".

Think Redclouds. Lots of couples subscribe.

After Shock Media · 10-20-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by S P A N N O W

Yes, but would women have watched it in droves (like they did) if it had had hardcore sex in it is the real question....

See I believe that women don't actually want to see it (like guys do) but rather prefer to have it implied...

Women will pause "all the right moves" just to catch a glimps of tom cruises pecker. They wanna see cocks and they wanna really see them hard. I also would imagine the would want to see how some of them work.
Though I also think this would need a solid female cast just like Sex and the City where the men are constantly switched out, sort of like a reversal on the way porn is done (men are the main elements).

GlydeGirl · 10-20-2005, 11:23 AM

Okay... here's the deal! As a former performer, I will tell you WHY the women don't cum in the scenes very often.

1) We want to shoot our scenes as quickly as possible, so we can make the most cash in the shortest period of time -- the goal is to get enough diverse footage to create the final product with minimal wasting of our time and the employer's resources

2) Usually, we have just met the people we will be performing with, and haven't had the time to nurture the relationship to the point where they know how to actually get us off in the short period of time it takes to shoot a scene.

3) Often, the sex that feels the best (and gets women off easiest) isn't the sex that looks the best on camera. So we have to decide which is more important -- getting the the best looking scenes or getting genuine women's orgasms. Since we're hired to create the best looking scenes, that's what we focus on!

4) Shooting porn is a job, so instead of just having the kind of recreational sex we have at home, we have to consider our employer's goals at all times. With our brains in the mode to get the best camera angles and the best variety of positions and sexual activity, we aren't in the relaxed mindset that makes it easy to cum.

5) For guys on set, cumming is their final job. There is alot of pressure for the guys to bring it, so even when they pop their loads, they aren't the kinds of orgasms that rock their worlds in their private lives

Don't forget, talent is paid to create an illusion. It's a job!

Belinda · 10-20-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Women will pause "all the right moves" just to catch a glimps of tom cruises pecker. They wanna see cocks and they wanna really see them hard. I also would imagine the would want to see how some of them work.
Though I also think this would need a solid female cast just like Sex and the City where the men are constantly switched out, sort of like a reversal on the way porn is done (men are the main elements).

This is true... woman want to see hard cocks, and they like them VERY hard. I know for me, the harder it is the better. Maybe it is a mental thing where we think that the harder it is the more the guy is turned on by us. Showing that they truely are turned on by the girl is a huge factor. A girl needs to feel wanted and sexy and a site where a guy or like you mentioned, multiple guys being switched out but with the same woman, might be a awsome idea. Let the woman be in charge and get what she wants and have the guys show some real desire for the girl, some lust and passion and even affection. That will get a girl going anytime.

Screaming · 10-20-2005, 11:27 AM

becouse its men who buy the majority of porn

EscortBiz · 10-20-2005, 11:31 AM

you produce shit that people will pay for, women if they finally do pay for online porn you will need a whole new crew of customer service

my username wont work
make sure i wont be rebilled
windows player gives me errors
your movies load slow
i think you guys charged me twice
blah blah

waste of time to even try to work that market

some of my sites attract many female surfers I wish it didnt

Denis_SC · 10-20-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

I love watching the guys balls from the back view pounding the muffin

What exactly you like watching more : muffin or balls ?

Donny · 10-20-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Belinda

This is true... woman want to see hard cocks, and they like them VERY hard. I know for me, the harder it is the better. Maybe it is a mental thing where we think that the harder it is the more the guy is turned on by us. Showing that they truely are turned on by the girl is a huge factor. A girl needs to feel wanted and sexy and a site where a guy or like you mentioned, multiple guys being switched out but with the same woman, might be a awsome idea. Let the woman be in charge and get what she wants and have the guys show some real desire for the girl, some lust and passion and even affection. That will get a girl going anytime.

I can't totally explain it, but for some reason reading your response just turned me on BIG time.

Big Red Machine · 10-20-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

you produce shit that people will pay for, women if they finally do pay for online porn you will need a whole new crew of customer service

my username wont work
make sure i wont be rebilled
windows player gives me errors
your movies load slow
i think you guys charged me twice
blah blah

waste of time to even try to work that market

some of my sites attract many female surfers I wish it didnt

What are you saying all women do is NAG........lol

Big Red Machine · 10-20-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Denis_SC

What exactly you like watching more : muffin or balls ?

Now your Spliting Pubic Hairs....lol
I think some times he feels like a Nut, Sometimes he doesn't(prob the nutz lol)

bigdog · 10-20-2005, 11:50 AM

where are you going to find all these good looking men that want to be in porn and can keep their dicks hard

Elli · 10-20-2005, 11:50 AM

That's why I own four Andrew Blake DVDs and no other porn.

Elli · 10-20-2005, 11:52 AM

Oh, and the only porn membership I've paid for is to Nerve.com. Cuz I'm a perve. ;)

Donny · 10-20-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli

Oh, and the only porn membership I've paid for is to Nerve.com. Cuz I'm a perve. ;)

I forgot about that site! I think we'll have to subscribe. I think Belinda will like it.

Donny · 10-20-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli

Oh, and the only porn membership I've paid for is to Nerve.com. Cuz I'm a perve. ;)

Okay, just joined for a year. Thanks for the reminder!

10-20-2005, 09:04 AM	#1
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Hardcore Producers, Please Consider: (opinions, Ladies?) Why not produce hardcore that appeals more to women as well as men? Girls like to see hardcore action, too, but many of them need a few things to really get them going. For example: Kissing - doesn't have to be lovey, dovey kissing. Some firm, "Oh my God I want to fuck you!" type kissing helps get the women I know going. The male shows some aggression but in an "I really fucking want you!" way instead of a "You're my cum bucket" type way. Know what I mean? Also... do things that have the woman get off first. Concentrate on her. Find out what actually gets her off and do it on camera. Maybe she has to be riding him on top and kissing hard like mentioned before. Just do it! I know I'd like watching that too. Then, when she's taken care of, let the male actor have his way with her in whatever manner he needs to get himself off. I know certain women who will remain unnamed that absolutely love it when a man takes what he wants, particularly after giving her what SHE wants. I bet such content would convert like crazy!

10-20-2005, 10:07 AM	#3
S P A N N O W Everywhere You Wanna Be! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NorCal Posts: 11,941	I believe its been done (exactly as you described) several years ago. The majority of adult consumers have always been male and therefore it makes sense to appeal to them. Generally speaking women don't buy porn on the scale that men do. So no matter how perfect the packaging it's very likely that it wouldn't sell like mad. Whether its a social hangup or something else girls aren't as porn crazy as most men....IMHO __________________ Ambush

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adultchica Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: usa Posts: 5,141	I've bought memberships to pornsites a few times, and I'm a girl. But it's not something that I concentrate on. Women surfers like to be anonymous, and are on the lookout for free porn too. Women look at porn more than you think. I don't just do it for work, sometimes I enjoy watching it too. Girl/girl/guy is a big seller with women. Those type of sites really get me off. Thanks __________________

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adultchica Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: usa Posts: 5,141	OK, I just asked my best friend about this. She's NOT in the industry, she's a soldier in the military and she's 24 years old. I asked if she's ever bought a membership to a porn site, ANSWER: Yes. Question: How many times? Answer: Twice What type of site was it? Answer: Adult Friend Finder ( I know that's not really porn, but I guess she sees it that way) and another one I don't remember. Question: Would you buy a membership to a porn site again, and if so, what type? Answer: Yes I would. Question: Do you really look at porn, and if so, how often? Answer: Yes I really do Misty, damn it, haha. Why are you asking me all this? I look at it about once a week. Question: What really turns you on? Answer: Two hot looking people having sex. OK, I had no idea she looked at porn. Interesting! I called her up on the cell because I was curious to see. It's really a surprise to me, though. That may just be a random case, but I wonder if there's a lot more women out there who look at it but don't admit it. I bet there's a LOT. Not JUST in this industry. __________________

10-20-2005, 10:01 AM	#2
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	I love watching the guys balls from the back view pounding the muffin

10-20-2005, 10:11 AM	#5
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Without going too deep, the simple reason is that while it may convert like crazy, for a content provider, there is little demand.

10-20-2005, 11:15 AM	#17
CynthiaB Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The OC Posts: 1,274	Women would look at and pay for more porn if it was appealing - but a quick surf over the top sites and they're mostly disgusting (IMHO) - lots of over the top language, lots of fluids, teen looking sweeties batting their lashes. I'd like to see hunky guys, stories, romance and then the sex. . . Cyn

10-20-2005, 11:17 AM	#18
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I think they like to see. And I also think that we're missing a little something here: I'm not saying that we need to target a female only audience, rather an audience that comprises both men, women, and couples. I think that last one is a potential gold mine. "Sure honey, you can buy the membership because I like the site too". Think Redclouds. Lots of couples subscribe.

10-20-2005, 11:23 AM	#20
GlydeGirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,516	Okay... here's the deal! As a former performer, I will tell you WHY the women don't cum in the scenes very often. 1) We want to shoot our scenes as quickly as possible, so we can make the most cash in the shortest period of time -- the goal is to get enough diverse footage to create the final product with minimal wasting of our time and the employer's resources 2) Usually, we have just met the people we will be performing with, and haven't had the time to nurture the relationship to the point where they know how to actually get us off in the short period of time it takes to shoot a scene. 3) Often, the sex that feels the best (and gets women off easiest) isn't the sex that looks the best on camera. So we have to decide which is more important -- getting the the best looking scenes or getting genuine women's orgasms. Since we're hired to create the best looking scenes, that's what we focus on! 4) Shooting porn is a job, so instead of just having the kind of recreational sex we have at home, we have to consider our employer's goals at all times. With our brains in the mode to get the best camera angles and the best variety of positions and sexual activity, we aren't in the relaxed mindset that makes it easy to cum. 5) For guys on set, cumming is their final job. There is alot of pressure for the guys to bring it, so even when they pop their loads, they aren't the kinds of orgasms that rock their worlds in their private lives Don't forget, talent is paid to create an illusion. It's a job!

10-20-2005, 11:27 AM	#22
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10-20-2005, 11:52 AM	#30
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	Oh, and the only porn membership I've paid for is to Nerve.com. Cuz I'm a perve. ;) __________________ email: [email protected]