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Nysus · 10-18-2005, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

whatever, he clearly does better than 1:1500 and he says we shave and continues to send traffic.

we shave then, i admit it.. send the traffic.

thats the answer everyone wants to hear right?

he should just stop sending traffic to us and save it for OC Cash since they rock so much and are a 'class act'

Ethics or lack thereof come into mind when I think of promoting a program or not, which is why I would never promote EpicCash.

I'm out now though, no, no one scared me off, I'm may go into mainstream ventures or just my plan of an offline venture or two, just a comfortable amount growing for myself that I'll enjoy making more than the internet / computer work.

Productivity and specialization; doing what you can be most productive at is most likely to be what you enjoy doing most, especially when it is a niche [and no, niche is not an adult industry specific word for those who didn't know that..].

Cheers,
Matt

Nysus · 10-18-2005, 08:32 AM

Nice, I got top post. Ha.

Cheers,
Matt

Nysus · 10-18-2005, 08:33 AM

And now #3 ...

CraK might find this humourous...

Cheers,
Matt

Nysus · 10-18-2005, 08:57 AM

BY THE WAY:

[In reference to / quote pulled from: http://board.getpaidbaby.com/viewtopic.php?p=3177#3177]
[the board was already posted here Eric, and seems more like an article to me which it should be converted; sorry though.]

"How Do I Know?
my traffic is pretty stable & converts just about the same month to month with all my top sponsors. when a program's conversions ratios are erratic, that makes me suspicious. some moves they're making are affecting my ratios because the traffic i send hasn't changed. perhaps they've removed trials? (like mobbucks)... but more often than not, they are adjusting your account to insure profitability. to them, they don't consider that a bad thing."

That sums up everything extremely well as to why shaving exists, and people can prove that it exists; and if anyone's wondering, stable is different from erratic. Stable would mean that his top sponsors all are possibly having the same fluctuations as eachother, whereas the erratically changing sites

There are always different levels of shaving too; basically whatever the webmaster thinks he can get away with before the affiliate will pull the links and him/her lose the traffic.

Hope this is a good final post. ICQ 129060301 - I will check it occasionally, doesn't mean I'll respond though, sorry. OR [email protected] which I will basically be disregarding.

Cheers,
Matt

OldSchoolJim · 10-18-2005, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboyyy1974

Q'On some of things you say in your post seem like paranoid delusions to me. You're slandering certain sponsors based upon nothing but 'gut instinct' and absolutely no facts.

"when a program's conversions ratios are erratic, that makes me suspicious" ... "more often than not, they are adjusting your account to insure profitability."

This may or may not be true, but you have posted absolutely zero evidence of this IMO.

Are you seriously trying to say that just because your sales are erratic with a particular sponsor, then therefore that sponsor must be a dishonest thief? I mean come-on get real man!

Here's an example that has happened to me: Bang bros averages 1:430 with me this year (which would be pretty good if only it was 1st page uniques) ... usually their sales are fairly stable, but from time to time i see huge fluctuations with their sales.

What i've noticed that sales seems to be closely related to which model they are featuring that week. The week in May when they featured that bigtits beauty Brandy, the sales soared high, i was getting ratios of about 1:250 ... but this past seven days there's been some ugly bitches and i'm getting ratios worse than 1:2000 2nd page uniques. Which is totally fucked up. But am i calling them dishonest shavers? of course not! I totally love Bang Bros! So, tell me Q'on do those eratic conversions make BangBros dishonest shavers?? of course not!

But that seems to be pretty much the logic you are using to slander those other programs. It's rediculous to be making such wild connections with such strong conviction.

Even if a program was shaving, don't you think the best way to shave would be to slice a small percent EVERY WEEK. And therefore the conversions would be stable from week to week. Who the fuck in their right mind would shave the hell out of one week, and then remove the shave to give massive payouts the next??

Using 'eratic conversion ratios' as your evidence for shaving just doesn't cut it for me

Badboy...he won't be able to answer this...he will just fall back on his usual bullshit....anyone see that this was just a feeble attempt to get attention to his so-called "board?"

i am suprised thie thread made it this long...seems like GFY mods really dropped the ball on this one.....

But i guess the posting to other boards is open for interpretation just like Q'ons suggestions of shaving with no proof.....I am sure he got a lot of webmasters to join his board from GFY....

xxxjay · 10-18-2005, 08:20 PM

The snake seems to be eating its own tail.

Persignup Qon · 10-18-2005, 09:01 PM

basica pyschology tells you who is guilty in this situation.... its unfortunate epic cash is so big but the people who run it don't seem to have much sense on how to handle this situation. blue or red pill, folks

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DWB · 10-18-2005, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EpicJim

...anyone see that this was just a feeble attempt to get attention to his so-called "board?"

You Epic guys are funny.

Q'ons post on HIS board was simple and to the point. He posted ratios and his opinion of who was shaving and who was not. Nothing more, nothing less. The Epic crew are acting hostile and very unprofessional about this. There is a way to handle this and way to not. You guys dropped the ball. Even if you guys are 110% innocent, your posts in this thread make you look somewhat guilty.

xxxjay · 10-19-2005, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboyyy1974

Q'On some of things you say in your post seem like paranoid delusions to me. You're slandering certain sponsors based upon nothing but 'gut instinct' and absolutely no facts.

"when a program's conversions ratios are erratic, that makes me suspicious" ... "more often than not, they are adjusting your account to insure profitability."

This may or may not be true, but you have posted absolutely zero evidence of this IMO.

Are you seriously trying to say that just because your sales are erratic with a particular sponsor, then therefore that sponsor must be a dishonest thief? I mean come-on get real man!

Here's an example that has happened to me: Bang bros averages 1:430 with me this year (which would be pretty good if only it was 1st page uniques) ... usually their sales are fairly stable, but from time to time i see huge fluctuations with their sales.

What i've noticed that sales seems to be closely related to which model they are featuring that week. The week in May when they featured that bigtits beauty Brandy, the sales soared high, i was getting ratios of about 1:250 ... but this past seven days there's been some ugly bitches and i'm getting ratios worse than 1:2000 2nd page uniques. Which is totally fucked up. But am i calling them dishonest shavers? of course not! I totally love Bang Bros! So, tell me Q'on do those eratic conversions make BangBros dishonest shavers?? of course not!

But that seems to be pretty much the logic you are using to slander those other programs. It's rediculous to be making such wild connections with such strong conviction.

Even if a program was shaving, don't you think the best way to shave would be to slice a small percent EVERY WEEK. And therefore the conversions would be stable from week to week. Who the fuck in their right mind would shave the hell out of one week, and then remove the shave to give massive payouts the next??

Using 'eratic conversion ratios' as your evidence for shaving just doesn't cut it for me

This tread has gotten mighty interesting.

DWB · 10-19-2005, 01:26 AM

A smart (but dishonest) program would shave only sometimes... maybe once a week, twice a week or only for a few hours a day... maybe 2 days a week... better to not get caught that way. If you shave full time that will bite you on your ass. Shave here and there... you have a better chance of getting away with it.

xxxjay · 10-19-2005, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nysus

BY THE WAY:

[In reference to / quote pulled from: http://board.getpaidbaby.com/viewtopic.php?p=3177#3177]
[the board was already posted here Eric, and seems more like an article to me which it should be converted; sorry though.]

"How Do I Know?
my traffic is pretty stable & converts just about the same month to month with all my top sponsors. when a program's conversions ratios are erratic, that makes me suspicious. some moves they're making are affecting my ratios because the traffic i send hasn't changed. perhaps they've removed trials? (like mobbucks)... but more often than not, they are adjusting your account to insure profitability. to them, they don't consider that a bad thing."

That sums up everything extremely well as to why shaving exists, and people can prove that it exists; and if anyone's wondering, stable is different from erratic. Stable would mean that his top sponsors all are possibly having the same fluctuations as eachother, whereas the erratically changing sites

There are always different levels of shaving too; basically whatever the webmaster thinks he can get away with before the affiliate will pull the links and him/her lose the traffic.

Hope this is a good final post. ICQ 129060301 - I will check it occasionally, doesn't mean I'll respond though, sorry. OR [email protected] which I will basically be disregarding.

Cheers,
Matt

If you want to play the PPS game -- you have to be prepared to take a loss on some accounts. That's why we don't even fuck with it.

OldSchoolJim · 10-19-2005, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Even if you guys are 110% innocent, your posts in this thread make you look somewhat guilty.

And exactly how does this make us look "somewhat guilty" because we are the only ones with the balls to stand up for ourselves?

anyone who says we shave...i will come out and say we do not...simple as that...I offered up a solution Q'on did not like it...so i figured we would get thread views out of it...worked out quite well as webmaster signups are up the last 2 days....thanks for the thread Jay!

xxxjay · 10-20-2005, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EpicJim

And exactly how does this make us look "somewhat guilty" because we are the only ones with the balls to stand up for ourselves?

anyone who says we shave...i will come out and say we do not...simple as that...I offered up a solution Q'on did not like it...so i figured we would get thread views out of it...worked out quite well as webmaster signups are up the last 2 days....thanks for the thread Jay!

No worries, bro.

10-18-2005, 08:32 AM	#152
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Nice, I got top post. Ha. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

10-18-2005, 08:33 AM	#153
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	And now #3 ... CraK might find this humourous... Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

10-18-2005, 08:57 AM	#154
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	BY THE WAY: [In reference to / quote pulled from: http://board.getpaidbaby.com/viewtopic.php?p=3177#3177] [the board was already posted here Eric, and seems more like an article to me which it should be converted; sorry though.] "How Do I Know? my traffic is pretty stable & converts just about the same month to month with all my top sponsors. when a program's conversions ratios are erratic, that makes me suspicious. some moves they're making are affecting my ratios because the traffic i send hasn't changed. perhaps they've removed trials? (like mobbucks)... but more often than not, they are adjusting your account to insure profitability. to them, they don't consider that a bad thing." That sums up everything extremely well as to why shaving exists, and people can prove that it exists; and if anyone's wondering, stable is different from erratic. Stable would mean that his top sponsors all are possibly having the same fluctuations as eachother, whereas the erratically changing sites There are always different levels of shaving too; basically whatever the webmaster thinks he can get away with before the affiliate will pull the links and him/her lose the traffic. Hope this is a good final post. ICQ 129060301 - I will check it occasionally, doesn't mean I'll respond though, sorry. OR [email protected] which I will basically be disregarding. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

10-18-2005, 08:20 PM	#156
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10-18-2005, 09:01 PM	#157
Persignup Qon Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: HeLL Posts: 853	basica pyschology tells you who is guilty in this situation.... its unfortunate epic cash is so big but the people who run it don't seem to have much sense on how to handle this situation. blue or red pill, folks .. __________________ OnProbation.com \| PerSignup.com - Now Paying PPS and RevShare! {{ Portfolio: TKME \| AC \| BGDINT \| ESP - More Here... }} If You Really Get Paid in Adult, You Should Be Getting Paid By Us!

10-19-2005, 01:26 AM	#160
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	A smart (but dishonest) program would shave only sometimes... maybe once a week, twice a week or only for a few hours a day... maybe 2 days a week... better to not get caught that way. If you shave full time that will bite you on your ass. Shave here and there... you have a better chance of getting away with it.