Another victory for OCCash (stats)
 

My boy Q'on from Onprobation just started publishing his stats and they are quite brutal. It's good to see OCCash make anoter top 10 with the big guys:

Read this - it's an eye opener:
http://board.getpaidbaby.com/viewtopic.php?p=3177#3177

The stats:
http://blog.onprobation.com/sponsors...september.html

Jay post yout tattoos

quite interresting :)

Quick Juicy as the lub out and is holding his fleshlight :1orglaugh

very nice, good work!

I'm just glad we didn't make this list:

Scam Programs
some programs are just straight scams. they leave the signup links open & program software active but they don't track signups nor will they pay you for any of the traffic you send their way... they won't notify you of any of this either. i found 5 programs recently while looking thru my directory. all of them are scams, none of them pay & i guarantee with a little research you'll find they are owned by "trusted" members of the adult online biz community. here's my list (feel free to add yours to this thread):

funkycash - does not pay, does not report traffic sent or signups
adult cash flow - does not report traffic sent or signups
dc cash - does not report signups; redirects traffic
capital bucks - does not report traffic sent or signups
dirty dollar - does not pay
adult cash - does not pay, did not report site closings
pib cash - does not report signups (of course)

sites that i believe shave:
epic cash
platinum bucks
gammacash
adult revenue service
meatcash
vouyeurcash
stoneycash
dollar machine
gigacash
niche wealth
adult players club
hpic
porn kings
nasty dollars

i love stats :) congrats on making the top 10 jay.

-P

Mother FUCK this thread has some serious potential.

congrats on the stats Jay.

Interesting.

One thing that I've noticed myself adds to what Q mentioned. I send joins to maybe 10-20 different programs a month. There are 3 programs that I can always depend on to pull the same numbers month after month: Skin Traffic, BangBros Online, and Fetish Bucks. If I send X amount of hits, I know I'll get X amount of sales, EVERY month. All of my other programs bounce around, up and down, regardless of how much additional traffic I send them.

This is also due to the fact that larger programs rotate in new processors every few hours throughout the day...there are more answers to every question...other than just saying a sponsor shaves....kind of ridiculous if you ask me....

I didn't say anything about shaving. Nor do I even care. :-)

But now that you mentioned it, what do rotating processors have to do with monthly changes in joins from the same traffic?

I predict over/under 4 pages of mad views

Yes..Sly..you did not...just getting a head start on the ones that will! afterall..this IS gfy! :winkwink:

If you worked with different processors you would know this...you cannot tell me CCBILL and PAYCOM use the same type of scrubbing techniques?

just an example....I will bet if you send the same traffic to the same site and rotate these 2 processors you will see a major difference....

I am fully aware of the differences within different processors. I will ask again, what does rotating processors have to do with the MONTHLY changes in sales with the same traffic? Are you saying in August you switched processors but in September you didn't?

Daily changes, sure, I can see that easy. But monthly? One would hope that the good days would help even out the bad days, making the monthly joins relatively similar.

Very interesting read!

BTW, he is correct on many of the programs he think shaves (I wont name the ones I know because I don't have time to sit here for days defending myself), so instead I post about one of the sponsors I know he is wrong about. ARS (adult revenue service) didn't shave anything (at least not me and lots of freiends) during the years I used them. Every time I suspected it I did serveral signups, they All got credited Every time. (Of course they got emails every time once it was credited so they could deduct it from my earnings.)

I am pretty sure that ALL of the big programs shave..

There are a LOT of factors that are at work throuoght a month....and i am not saying you are wrong..i am simply pointing out the fact that most people immediately point to shaving before taking into account other issues simply to drive drama.....that is all...

Of course!

No you wont. A difference probably, but not a major difference. If we are talking about epoch vs ccbill with default settings or same settings on both of them by the program owner.

OC Cash does a consistant 1:350 for me. first page hits.

I still don't fully understand what you are trying to prove. So are you saying the change in sales is because the processor shaves? Not even to say they shave - they might just have a shittier way or tracking and loose sales. I'm not trying to put blame on anyone. I'd just like to understand your explanation a little better here.

So If I'm using SOMECASHPROGRAM.COM and consistantly about make 35 sales a month. When suddenly my sales start to look like this monthly.
Jan 36
Feb 28
Mar 35
Apr 23
May 36
Jun 26
Jul 37

Your explaination is that the cash program might be switching processors month to month. Like so, using (ex:) ccbill jan, mar, may, jul and paycom feb, apr, jun (or vise versa - I'm just making an example).

So what you're saying is the processors is the one with skim/loss of sales, and not the cash program? Or can you get a little more indepth in your explanation please? :helpme :helpme

Mad views placement

All i am really saying is that there are more factors than just a program shaving...everyone is always quick to holler shave....there is just too many variables to take into account than just shaving....if you do not think so you are in the wrong biz...there is connectivity..server downtime...whatever....just variables...

Jan 36
Feb 28
Mar 35
Apr 23
May 36
Jun 26
Jul 37

And i am saying YES these could be normal fluctuations in traffic....could be ANYTHING that may produce a difference...not just the fact that you believe a program shaves....

Here are some stats from a site I run for MYSELF...using paycom as the LONE processor....

Monday 1:1127
Tuesday 1:959
Wednesday 1:1149
Thursday 1:942

These are 4 days THIS week...maybe PAYCOM is shaving me...all my traffic is consistent...all from the same source...

Get the idea?

That website listed a bunch of programs that the Individual believes shave. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I only see one program rep (epiccash) in this thread defending his program while others who know they do not shave, do not need to bother.

I see DUKEDOLLARS.COM up there ;)
I like the fact that Duke has some of the best Hardcore content out there on the Net :)
And as the top guns would CONTENT MATTERS ;)

My favourites like Occash....topbucks.....all there ;)

Occash gives me some of the best rebills out there! Keep it up Jay :)

Maybe if you did not have your head in your ass you would know i am not a rep....why not get yourself another fake nick...that movie sucked anyways.

wonder what brad shaw thinks of Q's comment on that board

Hmm does he have any other adult program besides siccash? I don't see them mentioned at all...

haha, that dude certainly is blunt.

nice, OCCash is good shit :thumbsup

I did the same kind of test with ARS and was not credited for my signup. That was the reason I stopped promoting them years back.

Thats interesting. Did you save everything including the cookie and confronted them with your evidence?

If so, what did they tell you?

congrats Jay! :)

Is that a new board?

that is some good reading... "Why Do They Shave?"

It's a long story. It was very clever the way I was not credited for the signup. It involved an error at the time my credit card was being processed, yet the signup still went through, only I was not credited for it.

No, I did not confront them about it, because I did not have the time to spend debating with them over 1 signup. I'm glad I pulled all their links, because a few months later, they pulled all their sites.

People need to recogize...
we dont advertise, we dont skin boards... why? we dont need to!!! Good content combined with good support will convert. People really need to start checking us out :)

Duke

ssshhhhh

he mentioned executive stats brad's affilate software

As always Q'on - Mad respect for ya! Glad you gave us a shot and if you need anything please let me know... I have a plan to make that ratio even better too. I'll hit you up about it.


-Chris

Glad to see us holding strong at #2!

nice list.. Thanks for linking to this Jay. Some interesting stuff over there.

i see danza is back again haha

wow.... didn't expect this to get posted here... but i'm glad more eyes are on it. our industry needs an overhaul :2 cents:



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I never left

thats a very interesting list. We were surprised to even be on it, let alone #2.

Thanks for the oppurtunity.
Duke

I am not sure about all the accusations you make about shaving xxxjay. The one thing I do know is that I am making some real nice $$ with adult players club. I am converting at 1/183. With that ratio I don't give a fuck if they are shaving. 1/183 and that is on PPS getting $35 per sale!

That looks like a great read, nice stats page :thumbsup

Oh snap!

September Hall Of Shame (conversion worse than 1:1500)
Epic Cash .02/unique 1:1566

That accusation is so ridiculous that I'm not even going to start anything up with Persigup Qon -- he can think we shave all he wants.