Definitely! Class act all the way with Duke and Big Red.

Class act

god you make me want to puke.

whats classy about pornography?


you jack off, bust a nut and you throw the towel in the hamper/washer/hide the lube/clean up and forget what you just did like it never happend.

classy.

you are all closet homosexuals. hypocrites at best.

note to self: never post while drunk (or high).... causes confusion & misunderstanding of posts that are quite clear :1orglaugh

you still havent proven shit and I posted EXACTLY what was in your stats and not stats remote. statsremote is not the source of the stats. epiccash is. you you should have taken the time to login to the stats area of epiccash and calculate them yourself you dipshit.

thats like exxon mobil releasing their 4th quearter financials based on the secretaries invoices she has lying on her desk.


guess i was offtopic.. damn 6th grader

don't tell them shit... conversion ratios only make sense to people who know what they are doing. i'll shut all this shit up in time when we drop the HONEST PPS strcutured payout next year :thumbsup

only losers and broke mainstream failures start out with revshare.

fact.

you will never learn the paysite pps game/model

it takes more than 3 brain cells 2 of which you lack.

get sober... post when you can make sense & re-read what i said & try again. :winkwink:

*edit* - oh yeah, it isn't for me to prove that you do, its for you to prove that you don't cuz we ALL KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS :1orglaugh

did you just call OCCash losers??? wow... big statement there :thumbsup did ya know they were just nominated for an xbiz award? :1orglaugh - now who exactly did you say was lacking brain cells?

was I not clear in what I typed?

xbiz award?

lmfao.

ok after that remark, i will have to bow out of this stupid conversation. you just proved what i was dealing with....

hope your issues get resolved someday

i noticed how you always STFU when someone with higher intellect stands up to you & doesn't stoop to your level... i told DWB i'd make you clam up... how does it feel to be so predictable? and also, a fraud? :1orglaugh

I think Jim was pretty clear that its not EpicCash's problem or responsibility to prove anything, its yours as an affiliate to prove that EpicCash is doing anything wrong. In which EpicCash is not.

he made you an offer, and you declined..

I think we know who the spineless coward hypocrite is here. now dont we....

yes... we do LOL... top people say you shave, kid. i'd say you have a LOT to prove. then again, i've said from the jump... you will never fess up even though WE ALL KNOW THE DEAL. how does it feel to be the odd man out? i know you THINK you are the MAN... but let reality set in for a moment. we all know you're a fraud, you're ignorant & are a master in the art of lying & getting people to believe in a SCAM. how does that feel when you look in the mirror every morning? do you feel ANYTHING?

look... you're getting paid... that's all good... congrats. at the end of the day, you can sit back & have a nice glass of liquor & say to yourself... "hey... i'm getting rich fucking people i know & complete strangers... i'm the man" ... that's a good thing i suppose. does that bitch lying next to you when you wake up know she's married to a liar? :helpme

*edit* - ok, my bad... i'm gettin personal... these are just my opinions. how i feel is my own thing.... you wanna belive in 40/signup on $4 trials? more power to ya! :winkwink:

An amazing post and words that are long overdue!

I KNOW FOR A FACT SOME OF THE ONES IN YOUR LIST ARE ACCURATE.

Why? The owners themselves told me to my face. Why don't I say who publicly? Pretty much every day I have to ask that question. I tell myself that I am not a narc but then hate myself for allowing others to suffer getting ripped off. I say we don't need another lawsuit then privately welcome the public platform of a Federal Court to expose the accounting and software scams used to shave.

Until the day comes that I finally can make up my mind with a settled conscience, I will keep it too myself and will welcome the day of reckoning when true accountability is demanded - which is something that we as a company are already quite willing to provide - proven by the fact that we are going on record, "opening our books" figuretively and literally, in cases like Acacia and CE.

Affiliates deserve accountability. Yet they do not demand it. So if sponsors can get away with shaving the herd of sheep with a few dogged spokespeople then they will. That is the game.

thank you... a few people in this industry still do have integrity & balls :thumbsup

Big Congrats to Chris, Ryan and Jay....you guys work your dicks off...and it shows!

Nice job!

persignup con

I own stake of 4 dif programs on your cute little list.btw 2 more are not live yet only 1 is on the shitlist posted with numbers that are not even accurate. you are a liar and you pick and choose with whom you're circle of friends are that get listed on your lil bog lol

off topic i might add, I look in the mirror and i see a winner. When I look in thr mirror, I see a 28 yr old man that has more potential with each end every day that passes, and the knowledge I absorb on how to make money.

Am I in jail for being a fraud? Do I have any pending lawsuits? ever has there been stated proof we are frauds? shavers? etc?

nah, I dont think so. EpicCash has its haters because I AM a hater. I hate this industry and the ppl that infest its potential with ignorant fucking scum like you.


Im not a stupid man, I dont dream about shit I want. I am relastic and I make a plan and execute it accordingly. yet my ego hasnt gone anywhere.
odd symptoms of success isnt it?
I have a clear conscience and I have more integrity than most would think. Im loyal to my family, and whos peoples intrest I am responsible for.


so get fucked.

you were caught lying and trying to use EpicCash as a scape goat. I posted what your numbers were which are actually lower if you consoider uniques instead of raws like i did.

later kid.

interesting how the guilty like to flip the script & direct attention from their own deeds. feel free to call names "pimpdogg" but you're more transparent than any program (or program owner). you STILL fail to prove that you DON'T so we have to assume that you DO. like it or not, that's the state we are in at this point. now... what does it say about YOU that you are calling someone who is DEMANDING HONESTY & INTEGRITY FROM SPONSORS a scumbag? :1orglaugh fuck it... 'nuff said & enough time wasted with the likes of you. i can't wait to see you in person so i can tell you to eat a dick to your face. :winkwink:

Fact: OCCash didn't start with a lot of cash to back a big PPS campaign. We just had good content and the will to do it. Now we do the #'s of SU per day a lot of PPS guys wish they were doing.

Send a member to our site -- you are going to make an average of $25-$45 bucks...you will just get it over time.

PPS isn't all it's cracked up to be.

oh btw, no one is disputing my numbers but epic cash.... i wonder why? maybe because they are manipulating stats? maybe the others that are doing the same are smart enough not to open their big mouths & make it plainly obvious? the blue or the red pill folks?

why would anyone dispute the numbers that you posted? they are supposedly your stateremopte stats no?

is this a trick question?


i said epic doesnt shave, you claim we do. without proof you get banned plain and simple imho.

we will see if you are here tomorrow... time will tell

u r the one that can't live without gfy, "pimp" lol.... i'm calling for accountability on all sponsors part... something that's good for our business & this community. i also did not make this post... i'm simply responding to YOU. if i get banned for that? so be it. if anything YOU should be banned for being a mar on the adult website game. a parasite that feeds on it.... slowly killing it. that's all i'll say to you on this forum.... i don't hide behind keyboards.. all my future words will be said to your face. done.



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im always in vegas at the show, and i live in phoenix...

anytime bud

wait, i will have moved into my new austin place in the next month or so.,.. so if you can save up the cash for a ticket, ill have my driver pick you up.

Persignup Qon said his ratio for september was 1:1566

You said the last 8 periods was:
1:963 17/10-23/10
1:151 10/10-16/10
1:327 03/10-09/10
0:104 26/09-02/10
0:59 19/09-25/09
1:1597 12/09-18/09
0:2027 05/09-11/09
3:3607 29/08-04/09

that would give a ratio at 1:1849 for 29/08 to 02/10

so you might wanna retract that he was wrong on the stats Trey.

we hold 1 weeks checks.

this is the last 4 checks

1:151 10/10-16/10
1:327 03/10-09/10
0:104 26/09-02/10
0:59 19/09-25/09

retract what?

even if i am off a week, these are his stats

1:327 03/10-09/10
0:104 26/09-02/10
0:59 19/09-25/09
1:1597 12/09-18/09



1:1500 my ass

The stats he posted on his list was for september, not for the last weeks.

whatever, he clearly does better than 1:1500 and he says we shave and continues to send traffic.

we shave then, i admit it.. send the traffic.

thats the answer everyone wants to hear right?

he should just stop sending traffic to us and save it for OC Cash since they rock so much and are a 'class act'

Q'On some of things you say in your post seem like paranoid delusions to me. You're slandering certain sponsors based upon nothing but 'gut instinct' and absolutely no facts.

"when a program's conversions ratios are erratic, that makes me suspicious" ... "more often than not, they are adjusting your account to insure profitability."

This may or may not be true, but you have posted absolutely zero evidence of this IMO.

Are you seriously trying to say that just because your sales are erratic with a particular sponsor, then therefore that sponsor must be a dishonest thief? I mean come-on get real man!

Here's an example that has happened to me: Bang bros averages 1:430 with me this year (which would be pretty good if only it was 1st page uniques) ... usually their sales are fairly stable, but from time to time i see huge fluctuations with their sales.

What i've noticed that sales seems to be closely related to which model they are featuring that week. The week in May when they featured that bigtits beauty Brandy, the sales soared high, i was getting ratios of about 1:250 ... but this past seven days there's been some ugly bitches and i'm getting ratios worse than 1:2000 2nd page uniques. Which is totally fucked up. But am i calling them dishonest shavers? of course not! I totally love Bang Bros! So, tell me Q'on do those eratic conversions make BangBros dishonest shavers?? of course not!

But that seems to be pretty much the logic you are using to slander those other programs. It's rediculous to be making such wild connections with such strong conviction.

Even if a program was shaving, don't you think the best way to shave would be to slice a small percent EVERY WEEK. And therefore the conversions would be stable from week to week. Who the fuck in their right mind would shave the hell out of one week, and then remove the shave to give massive payouts the next??

Using 'eratic conversion ratios' as your evidence for shaving just doesn't cut it for me :1orglaugh

just know this: i'm asking for programs to prove to YOU as an affiliate that they DON'T shave yer balls... if they don't, then they won't. nothing we can do... but i'm not sleeping on the truth. i only want this industry to get better... to have integrity. if you still belive your stats don't get adjusted, then that's your right.... everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions. blue or the red pill folks :winkwink:



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There are other reasons that these companies could potentially / do shave, though from August to September there are quite the internet traffic changes due to it getting colder out; some have said that more people stay inside more, and use their internet, and end up buying porn.

Matt

Just to add.. There are also disruptions / changes in traffic, especially say if your traffic is mainly from the US, then what's everyone doing on say... Thanksgiving day.. Surfing the net? Not likely.. same idea with Christmas, etc..

Cheers,
Matt

Ethics or lack thereof come into mind when I think of promoting a program or not, which is why I would never promote EpicCash.

I'm out now though, no, no one scared me off, I'm may go into mainstream ventures or just my plan of an offline venture or two, just a comfortable amount growing for myself that I'll enjoy making more than the internet / computer work.

Productivity and specialization; doing what you can be most productive at is most likely to be what you enjoy doing most, especially when it is a niche [and no, niche is not an adult industry specific word for those who didn't know that..].

Cheers,
Matt

Nice, I got top post. Ha.

:pimp

Cheers,
Matt

And now #3 ... :)

CraK might find this humourous... :)

Cheers,
Matt

BY THE WAY:

[In reference to / quote pulled from: http://board.getpaidbaby.com/viewtopic.php?p=3177#3177]
[the board was already posted here Eric, and seems more like an article to me which it should be converted; sorry though.]

"How Do I Know?
my traffic is pretty stable & converts just about the same month to month with all my top sponsors. when a program's conversions ratios are erratic, that makes me suspicious. some moves they're making are affecting my ratios because the traffic i send hasn't changed. perhaps they've removed trials? (like mobbucks)... but more often than not, they are adjusting your account to insure profitability. to them, they don't consider that a bad thing."

That sums up everything extremely well as to why shaving exists, and people can prove that it exists; and if anyone's wondering, stable is different from erratic. Stable would mean that his top sponsors all are possibly having the same fluctuations as eachother, whereas the erratically changing sites

There are always different levels of shaving too; basically whatever the webmaster thinks he can get away with before the affiliate will pull the links and him/her lose the traffic.

Hope this is a good final post. ICQ 129060301 - I will check it occasionally, doesn't mean I'll respond though, sorry. OR [email protected] which I will basically be disregarding.

Cheers,
Matt

Badboy...he won't be able to answer this...he will just fall back on his usual bullshit....anyone see that this was just a feeble attempt to get attention to his so-called "board?"

i am suprised thie thread made it this long...seems like GFY mods really dropped the ball on this one.....

But i guess the posting to other boards is open for interpretation just like Q'ons suggestions of shaving with no proof.....I am sure he got a lot of webmasters to join his board from GFY....

The snake seems to be eating its own tail.

basica pyschology tells you who is guilty in this situation.... its unfortunate epic cash is so big but the people who run it don't seem to have much sense on how to handle this situation. blue or red pill, folks :thumbsup



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You Epic guys are funny.

Q'ons post on HIS board was simple and to the point. He posted ratios and his opinion of who was shaving and who was not. Nothing more, nothing less. The Epic crew are acting hostile and very unprofessional about this. There is a way to handle this and way to not. You guys dropped the ball. Even if you guys are 110% innocent, your posts in this thread make you look somewhat guilty. :2 cents:

This tread has gotten mighty interesting.

A smart (but dishonest) program would shave only sometimes... maybe once a week, twice a week or only for a few hours a day... maybe 2 days a week... better to not get caught that way. If you shave full time that will bite you on your ass. Shave here and there... you have a better chance of getting away with it.