APC has always been one of my best sponsors and still get a lot of my traffic. There are not my opinions.

I'm surprised Q'on doesnt have Dating Gold in there.. if you see this Q'on, check the sig and lemme get a cut maaaan.

I hear ya. I should have noted that you were only reposting what someone else wrote on another board.

His thread does seem rather selfserving though doesn't it? If he just wanted to 'spread the truth' than why did he stick his linking code in every program that he posted those fake stats. :1orglaugh

I'm don't agree 100% with his shaving ideas, but the scammers thing is quite interesting.

Q has always been straight up. Good read.

I don't agree with him on the Meatcash programs though. Meatcash doesn't use trials and they do a few things different than other programs do, but once people are through the door they stay forever -- I'm pretty much 100% sure that they don't shave. Plus, they are partnership, don't need to cover a nasty pps, so there's really no reason to start shaving. Those guys are straight-up as they come.

Other Comparable...? Nah
i personally only 100% trust sites with NATs software... why? cuz i run it & unless its purchased and modified internally, you can't shave with it (if that happens & they find out, i hear the program owners will have their balls in a sling). if your traffic sucks for the site (& signup options) you are sending it to, then it just sucks. its not your fault as a webmaster, but thats the breaks. the reason why MPA3 can't fuck with NATs? i've heard it has built-in shaving features. Executive Stats? i think its shaving feature is complex and is based on profitability. it works to insure the profitability of the program - point blank. come on, it's design was commissioned by Brad Shaw lol... what do you expect?

Agreed, executive stats is garbage, not sure of mpa3, never looked at it too hard, nats is king obviously.

APC rocks!

congrats OCCash.

congrats occash !!

Nice to see spacash so high on that list(Q'ons) too :)
take notice people :)

Wonder why it gets such low ratings on your stats xxxjay ?

True words..

I don't know your buddy that posted that, but it seems kind of harsh to start spewing accusations of shaving because his traffic doesnt work on some programs. :disgust

I did 0:9k at some point on one of my CCBill accounts last year with 6+ sponsors linked to that account, does that mean CCBill / those 6 programs shave and I should post threads on webmaster boards that I suspect they are shaving and people should stay away from them?

Strange world...

Thanks Spacemonk...i tried to say that and you could feel the shit start rising....some people think they can just say "shave" and they will get automatic threadviews Q'on must have needed the push ....don't know how this thread got away with linking to another board though...Eric must have been away for the weekend....

Does SPACash have at least one set of exclusive content in its webmaster area?

shave is bad for our health..

i don't have referrer codes on any programs in the hall of shame or on my list of programs i believe shave. all ref links are on programs that i feel performed well for the reported period. done with you. next?



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your site converts & retains... i was hesitant about sending you traffic because of that & you made me glad i did. glad to have you as a trusted sponsor! :thumbsup

i don't have to prove anything... i didn't post it here nor did i ask for it to be posted. but now that its out, deal with it. hell, NONE of your people has DENIED shaving lol... prove you DON'T. let some independend programmer go in & review your admin area... change all the passwords after the review is complete. this shit isn't conjecture & i'm not the only one who KNOWS the deal. :321GFY

i've been in this biz for 8 years. i don't spew anything. this is my analysis... am i right ALL THE TIME? probably not... but i guarantee i'm right 99.9% of the time. hell, as i told the cat from Epic Cash... if anything, sponsors should be proving they DON'T shave, not the other way around. there needs to be some accountability in this business.... so far, no one's making an effort to insure there is. i posted my REAL stats... i posted my opinions & any of the mentioned programs can feel free to prove me wrong. i doubt many of them will... cuz THIS IS THE GAME.


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your program and your sites rock... if only i could get some more ad material that fits my pages... :winkwink: 468x80 & 120x600 animated banners maybe? :winkwink:

Q'on..there is NO program out there that will allow ANYONE in their admin to poke around...that is just an assinine request....we fight off hack attempts almost daily...

I WILL however welcome ANYONE to run our site memberbonus(currently 1:277)against ANYTHING they currently run...hell i will even UP their payout for the test to make it worth their while........and if they feel we shave...cheat or do anything underhanded i will HOPE they post all about it...i would ALSO hope they would post results to the contrary....and if the test comes out to prove you wrong...you come out in public and tell everyone so...

Any takers???

bullshit... an honest program with nothing to hide WOULD. what's the sense in going back & forth with you? i KNOW the game... you know what you are doing & you'll NEVER be honest about it. if you got caught red-handed you STILL wouldn't be honest about it lol... whatever. you do your thing... i understand... i would just like to personally request that you turn OFF the shaving on MY account & pay me for what traffic i DO send. thanks :winkwink:

3 words: PROVE ... YOU... DON'T. :thumbsup

I will not hold my breath waiting for any takers on that....

Yeah Dave..give out access to your admin for old Q'on here or one of his "3rd party" to have a looksee.... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Everyone thinks they can just plug in any old 3rd party software and be a top notch affiliate program......this is what the industry has degraded to...

Hey Bangbros...why don't YOU let some "3rd party guys" into YOUR admin...that will make us all sleep better at night :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Too fucking funny....

Thanks for posting that jay, it was nice to see SPACash up there!!! We have our own tracking software and track raws, uniques, join page hits and more.. lots of good stuff in there!

Sure thing, so is Dubya, God tells him the truth..

I say you shave, I will sign up for your program right now and send 10k hits overnight. If I don't feel I have gotten the right amount of signups will you PROVE me and EVERYONE ELSE you DON'T shave?

You speak of that as if it was such a normal thing to let someone inside your system, so will you put up? I am dead serious

I posted my opinion above. Are you willing to play the game?

are you sure about that? take another look.

what a gay ass copout... apples & oranges, buddy. let's keep things in the same ballpark ok? :winkwink:


please send that... i'd love to see how that goes. unlike you, i use NATs so again, you are comparing apples & oranges, pumpkin :1orglaugh


i KNOW the game, kid... don't get mad because you & your program made my "don't fuck with these cats if you wanna get paid" list. believe me, i'm not the only 1 with you & your programs on the list, i'm just one of very few that has the balls to say it. respect that, get your shit tight & move on. simple. good luck with your program & hopefully one day you will make my "good" list. :thumbsup

WORD! time to put it up...or shut the fuck up...

spacemonk....don't let him get to you....i am sure his 5 hits a day would be too much to handle anyways... :1orglaugh

MAD THREAD VIEWWWWSSSSSS!

my mistake... i did leave the epiccash link up... OOOPS... doesn't change my opinion & i still expect to get my checks in the mail no matter how many signups were shaved from it. now... please respect my request made to your employee earlier in this thread... if you don't mind. when i see someone getting mad when another is being honest about how they feel they are being treated.... tells me a lot about the person getting heated. :2 cents:


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Q'on...there is little you could do to actually get me heated...you stated your opinion...i offered a resolution...you thought it was not acceptable so now i am fucking with you to get sig views...what could that possibly say about me personally?

I dont work for any program.
Please YOU respect the request of the guy a few posts above that asked for you to prove you dont shave... and dont say you use nats blah blah, you think ppl cant shave with nats?

Uhm yes, right, please accept my appologies mister know it all :1orglaugh


Hahaha, you use NATS so you can't shave? Man you are a genuinely funny guy. I use durex so I can't get AIDS.


I'm far from mad, I just find it funny that someone with "8 years of experience" thinks a program shaves if he can't get a satisfying ratio with them. You must be the type of person that calls a girl that turns them down a dyke.

Mmmm yeah. I knew there were two of you :1orglaugh

Careful.

Maybe this thread is about to get REALLY interesting??

it isn't my software.... no software is perfect... i'm not here to defend it. not ONE other software maker has even ATTEMPTED to spark honesty in the game OTHER than the cats that make NATs. hell, that in itself is a step in the right direction. :2 cents:



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haha im just waiting for all the sponsors on the shit list to come in here and bash Qon. then it would be official, NO sponsors shave. HA! yeah fucking right..

mad props to you Qon. one of the few to actually speak up about the bullshit.

I didn't write that, that's from Q'on page.

I did not enter this thread to bash Q'on...i entered to offer up different scenarios other than shaving as possible issues....I even offered to help with a test...

now it is just sig view fun....Epic has its share of loyal affiliates and they are comfortable in the way we run our biz....

Just as q'on says he thinks we shave....andtells us to "PROVE WE DON'T"
I am simply telling him..."PROVE WE DO"...before you spout off against us...

Basically same principle is applying here...so if you can't understand that son...don't waste my time.

Onprobation.com is a great site, it has been around forever and is very well connected. The site sends traffic but it's more then that. It's the type of traffic, it doesnt have your typical adult traffic, it's a mix of everything, like a consumption junction. Some of his top refferring sites are some of the best sites online in my opinion, you dont get trades like that if you are a nobody.

I have friends that check out OP and I use to check it out a while back as well.. 5 hits or 50,000 hits, the exposure of having your program even on that page is what is worth it.

I am sure it is Pipecrew....but you have to admit...there is a "game" here at GFY also...I am just playing it.... :winkwink:

this is great 2 hear coming from you PipeCrew... thanks. actually, my biggest chunk of traffic goes to a flat rate sponsor... i'm considering sending my next biggest chunk to BBO due to your performance. thanks for being a great sponsor i can trust :thumbsup

ps - hit me on icq personally so i can let u know what i need... i've tried going thru support but haven't had much luck - 2659121

just read on your site.. are you still in vegas.. if so lets meet up

congrats Jay and i'm sure you will move up as you guys have some great stuff

Yep, I agree...and that's why you see so many NATS programs with a Revshare Model...I'm not saying this about every pps program, but there are some out there that NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHAVE to make a profit. That's why NATS may not be for them.

nah... i live in thailand... you should go on our webmaster's excursion we're having next year :thumbsup

i've looked at your program & you don't have any interracial or ethnic sites. OP is a niched directory so unfortunately, it wouldn't make sense for me to send you traffic that i know will not convert.

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Yup... this is going to be a big thread.

OnProbation.com traffic is the truth. Q'on knows what's going on in the industry more than you cats give him credit for. Just because you may no know him doesn't mean he's not on top of his game.

If he is sending traffic to one of your ethnic sites and getting NO sales, I have to question the honesty of the program.

fyi.... i listed meatcash, vouyercash & stoneycash in my "sites that i believe shave" list... i believe that was an error & has been corrected. thank for the chat, Yellow Menace (from the peeps who run this group of programs). :thumbsup

Werd. Q'on was already around moving traffic when I started in this biz back in the days of Condom. An old school Cat who, when he talks, I listen.