GroundZeroIT

Can anyone recommend a live cam software solution? We've got our own
models, our own traffic, etc. We want to build out our own domain, and
feed it ourselves.

We've looked at 2 Much (which looks pretty good, but has some things
that make us pause), and we're waiting to hear back from Camz about
licensing their software.

Are there any other good purchasable solutions out there?

Forest

hit me up I have a great solution

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BlueWire

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/526915-ready-cam-site-sale.html

Best new cam software on the market. Uses flash instead of java...featured packed which is covered within the link above.

We have a ready to go site on the market for a client or we have various license levels from scratch that i'd love to discuss with you

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Thanks

JimmiDean

2much would be my choice.

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BlueWire

2Much is decent...their current release is java though. Ours has all their features...then a bunch more...and uses flashcom technology.

But 2much is very respectable competitors of ours

Chaldoray

2much.net are scammers, don't ever go with them. I got ripped off a long time ago, the owner mark is a worthless individual. He degraded me, and i will do whatever i can to degrade his reputation and business.

BlueWire

I've never dealt with them personally...But I think thats a little harsh. But I dont know. I know that their software is a fair competitor but just not the same league as ours from the feedback we've gotten from ours versus theres as well as the difference in features. But i've never heard of them being scammers or anything along those lines.

$14,600 to get unlimited models with them and its not open source at that level.

$10,000 unlimited models, open source for our limited time offer with us. Just feels like a nobrainer

2MuchMark

Hi GroundZero,

This is Mark Prince from www.2Much.net. You can read more about our solution on our site, and you can also try the live demo at LiveCamNetwork.com.

I'm sorry that Chaldoray (whoever he is) has chosen to post is negative experience with us to you. Regardless, I think that you will find that our solution is one of the best.

Ours is not based on Java as someone pointed out. Java is ancient technology. We use MPEG 4 and stream right to Windows Media.

If you would like to try our system, you can do so risk free for 30 days; no deposit of any kind required. You can even try out system side-by-side with others.

While I'm not ready to say that ours is the BEST (After all, there are alots of other great companies out there), I think we hold our own. LiveCamNetwork supports 30 frames per second, sound, and now, Hi-Def Video and Dolby 5.1 Audio. And of course, it is true pay-per-second billing.

Bye for now,
Mark Prince, CEO
2Much Internet Services Inc.
http://www.2much.net
Toll Free: 1.866.662.6824

ps: Chaldoray, don't hate us. We still love you dude.

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You can try the demo at any time by going to http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com.

Have a good weekend!

Mark Prince

BlueWire

I was the one that pointed out the java. What i heard was that you guys were doing java but had a new release in beta stage that was windows media.

If you guys are out of beta with the windows media then i'd have to take a look at your features once again. Like i said, you guys are strong competition.

The fact that we offer open source version I think is a sepperating point for our two scripts. We respect you guys very much though

Chaldoray

Mark, you know who i am. Answer your email, and stop bothering me!

BlueWire

Chaldoray has talked to me off and on via icq for some time.

I dont really know mark but i'm well aware of his product.


Whats this all about?

jay23

I work for objectcube and we have a Flash based solution. Cost between 10K - 20K depending on what functions you need

Jay
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BlueWire

Our pricing at this time is between

2,500-10,000 depending on your needs.

Cant beat our deal right now

Chaldoray

My personal experience with 2much.net was horrible. Yeah they built me a site about a year ago, which looked horrible, a template of their site with just my domain name. It cost $12k, but i paid $5k upfront, on a oral agreement, remember not "VERBAL." I was paying monthly, i made money off ccbill, and they never paid me, they put that towards the monthly. I was basically working for pennies. So i said forget it and cancel my account, now they are asking for their money back. Which is ridiculous, they took it to a debt collector; i had my lawyer write them a letter about 10 months ago, and they ignored it. Stop the debt collector, now that i replied to this thread and said negative things. Mark from 2much.net had the debt onfile again, he is quite funny. They bribed me!

Want to know what's even more funny? When i worked for my old boss, we were purchasing about buying their software. I was the one who found it, i quit from that job, and bought the software. Then my old boss bought the software, i even brang him $12k+ more.

Then they even had the nerve to hi-jack my domain name babesoncams.com; because i transfered the nameservers to their nameservers. I had it with directnic, i forgot my password, email from formatting. Then i couldn't get my domain back, so they kept it!

They are big thieves.

Just me experience.

BlueWire

Interesting...

Chaldoray has been a decent client of ours and although there are 5 sides to every story here on GFY...this deffinitely is interesting and i'd be interested in hearing if anyone else has had this experience and also would like to hear mark's side?


oh well...we're nice to our clients But in all seriousness...i'd like to hear Mark's side as well

PimpDaddyPants

Contact Greg over at 2muchmedia.net

they rock!!!

Chaldoray

Yep!!!!!!!!!!!

JimmiDean

What is the difference between Oral and Verbal agreement ?
Sounds to me like you stoped paying for a product and now you are pissed they took it away and are trying to collect a debt.
I dont get it ?

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Chaldoray

Oral is word to word, verbal is a contract on paper.

I payed for the software, i was making money, they never paid me, they put it all towards the monthly fee. I wasn't making any money, i would of made more working at mcdonalds. So i said take down my site and forget it and give me my refund. Because the owner said i was going to be paid, and i never got paid. I was paying monthly, and everytime the interest went up. I was 18 at the time, he threatned me by staying if i never paid, he would tell my parents, and put a lien on my parents house. When my parents have nothing to do with it; when i came at him with a lawyer, my lawyer sent him a letter. Then he stopped replying, stopped the debt. He even hi-jacked my domain, that thief. Now that i replied to this thread, he sent the debt again.

He is ridiculous

BlueWire

Those type of contracts are VALID here in Washington...

hmmm, i'm not sure where i stand on this....


You agreed to pay 1200/mo right? So when they took your ccbill....was it because you didnt pay?

Ibang

Wow, i was interested in buying some cam software off them a while back. If this is true, lucky I didn't!

2MuchMark

Hello Everyone, Hello Ray "Chaldoray"

Chaldoray, I fail to see why you are still so upset with our company and the service we tried to provide to you. If you recall, you could not afford to purchase our system, so we allowed you, despite your poor credit rating at the time, to purchase our LCN 1.9 system by paying for it in monthly installments.

You were also refused an account from CCBill for some reason, therefore we allowed you to use our own CCBill sub account.

We went forward, and built your site to your satisfaction (I have the email). After using it for a short time and realizing that you had no resources to put into it (Didn't your Mom demand that you get another job?), you failed to make your monthly payments. There were many discussions as I recall, but month after month you failed to make even the smallest payment.

2Much Internet Services inc, founded in 1996, is for the most part, a company that specializes in adult video streaming and pay-per-minute solutions, and is a non face-to-face programming service which unfortunately, can give rise to problems such as this. Like any business, we require revenue to survive. We provided all of the services we said we would, and you Ray", failed to live up to your end of the agreement. Since you didn't pay for the services we were providing to you, we discontinued the service.

You have left a debt of over $7,000.00 USD which still remains unpaid to this day. This matter has been given over to our legal department and a collection agency along with all of your account statements, E-Mail messages and contracts. And just so you know, I also showed our attorneys your note about how we "hijacked" your domain name. It is not up to us to remember the password for your domain name. All you had to do was to log-in to your registrar (wasn't it Network Solutions?), follow their SIMPLE instructions to recover your password, and then change your DNS to any other name server on the Internet.

It is comments like the one above (about hijacking) that make for stupid flame wars and incidents on boards and in law courts that are just a waste of everyone's money and time. (FYI: We showed your "hijack" and "thief" comments to our legal department. Expect a letter from them in the near future). 2Much employees 25 people who all worked very hard for you when you were our customer. (Do you even recall everything that Cheli / Luna did for you? Do you remember how Tracy extended your credit again and again?

Ray. I am sorry that we could not do business with you any further. I realize that you purchased our license in the hopes of starting a new business to gain some financial freedom from your parents. It is too bad that you bit off more than you could chew at the time. If you do plan to remain in this kind of business, I would encourage you do try other "free" ways of getting started. Perhaps start with a simply TGP gallery. Learn what it takes to promote a website. Learn what it takes to deal with talent. Learn from the experts like you can find on boards like this, or at Trade shows like Internext.

I encourage you to continue to use resources like GFY and others if you want to return to the adult arena, but I also encourage you to stop the trash talk now. Everyone that uses boards like this are not only very smart, but almost always offer the valuable lessons that they have learned to other people like you, free of charge, just by asking them. Trashing a company and the people behind it just because you could not pay your bills or lost your domain name password will get you no where but hated, ignored, and maybe even in court.

Kind Regards,

Mark Prince, CEO
2Much Internet Services Inc.
Streaming Media and Billing Solutions (Now with Hi-Def Video and 5.1 Sound Support!)
Corporate: http://www.2much.net
Live Video Chat Demo: http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com
Toll Free: 1-866-88-2MUCH

BlueWire

Thanks for clearing that up Mark

After I heard the complete reasoning I started to think it might be along those lines. Chaldoray...you've been a decent client and a nice guy...but there better be more to this ?

JimmiDean

Verbal is verbal. Written is a contract on paper.

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I'm looking for a ready to go site that We do the processing on?

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Kevsh

I'm not a 100% expert on streaming technology but does Flash support DRM? I have heard that there are some security concerns using a Flash-based solution. Although Java is far from perfect ... check out PrivateFeeds (Java-based delivery) for a demo of broadband capabilities (click on the Broadband link under the Video window)

In the live adult cam space, that's about as sweet as it gets. ExShot (Japanese cam site) also has great feeds, One2One and yes, 2much is right up there as well.

In any event, touch base with Mark as he certainly knows the business.

BlueWire

[QUOTE=Kevsh]I'm not a 100% expert on streaming technology but does Flash support DRM? I have heard that there are some security concerns using a Flash-based solution. Although Java is far from perfect ... check out PrivateFeeds (Java-based delivery) for a demo of broadband capabilities (click on the Broadband link under the Video window)

In the live adult cam space, that's about as sweet as it gets. ExShot (Japanese cam site) also has great feeds, One2One and yes, 2much is right up there as well.

In any event, touch base with Mark as he certainly knows the business.

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I would LOVE to talk to mark to "shoot the shit" about where the cam industry is headed

DrGuile

We didnt like the video quality of flash, and they're licensing is so-so.

Dont know if I know you Kevsh, but thanks for mentioning us.

We dont do serial white label sites, it dillutes the product. On the other hand, if you have traffic and want to work with professionals, well we are always interested to talk.

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Chaldoray

You've got to be kidding me? I have all the emails you sent me saved. You threatned me, by stating you were going to put a lien on my parents property, which you have no right to do. I intended to pay, because you said you would help with marketing, until i start making money, then you would stop helping me with marketing and i was on my own. Which did not happen, my first month, i did my own marketing, made some money off ccbill. Then you never paid me. So i said shut my account, then that's when you threatned me.

My lawyer sent your collection agency a letter back in january, and they had 10 days to respond or the file would be disputed and canceled. So that's what happened, the file got canceled.

Anyways, i don't have time for this useless stuff anymore. Just because i said some negatives thing about your company, you sent another letter yesterday from a different collection agency. I thought you were a professional business man, so take it like a man.

Everyones company gets bashed all the time.

Another thing, for your information, i have learned a lot from these boards. You never intended to help me, you just took my money. Just because i was 18 at the time, you thought you could take advantage of me, trust me that will never happen. I am much more sagacious than that.

Kevsh

No problems, I was pointing out your site as an example of a very good Java-based delivery system as there was some debate in this thread over Flash vs. Java. For someone looking to start a new site I know there are packaged video streaming solutions, but it's best to get some input on what technologies work (and don't work) and the pros/cons of each.

From all i've seen and heard, at least someone in the know has issues with each technology so it's not a clear choice for many.

To go back to the original post, I'd seriously recommend providing feeds as a studio to some of the sites looking (and there are many!). That way you can test your studio, setup, software and of course talent. You'll get a great idea at how much income you can expect, what price points work and what sites your models do the best on.

Armed with that 411 and a few months of hands-on, you'll be in much better shape to launch your own site - and save a lot of initial costs (ie lost money) up front while you learn the ins and outs.

Chaldoray

BTW, if you'd like to end the past, you know my email.

Chaldoray

BTW, i never signed a contract. So just get over it, i don't like your company. Leave it at that! I can base my opinion, that's why there's free speech in america. Sorry i don't know your canadian laws.

2MuchMark

Ray,

I'm sorry, but $7000 is a huge debt, and we have no plans to let your debt go. If want to pay your bill before this situatio ruins your credit, you are welcome to do so. (Bad credit will wreck your chances of buying a car or a house later in life, at least at any decent rate) In fact we will even return your account to active as long as you can keep up the payments. If paying of $7000 in 1 year is too hard for you, we will gladly extend it to 2 years. All we ask is that you make your payments on time.

We were never interested in "Only" selling you a license. Any good business person will tell you that the best business is repeat business.

We make money by not only selling you the original license, but by selling you additional services later, and by your optional use of our Mbase system which allows your models to appear on other sites, and to populate your site with other live models from other sites as a way to generate even more revenue for you. We spent so many hours trying to help you because we thought we would make additional revenue with you later. We trusted you to market your website, to add models to your site, to learn how it all worked.

Not only did you not do this, but you wasted our time, you left an unpaid bill of $7000, and now you are trashing us.

And even worse, instead of working on your site and learning how to promote, you instead spent alot of your time enjoying yourself in VIP chat with models like Violet and Serena. That's right! Over $750.00 of the $7000 that you owe is you giving yourself money in your own chat account to enjoy your own private little "VIP" chats with girls from LiveCamNetwork.com. Not only were you not paying your bill, but you were stealing money from yourself!

So yes, we have hired a collection agency. If you want to settle this, call our accounting department at 514-285-9325 during normal business hours and make arrangements with them, or deal with the credit bureau. It is your choice.


Mark Prince
2Much Internet Services Inc.

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sextoyking

so we allowed you, despite your poor credit rating at the time
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Mark,

I would watch my words very closely when talking about a person's credit rating, score, debt, etc. I don't know if your in Canada or what but in the USA this can be a violation of the FCRA and could cost you a ton more then the 7k or whatever you claim he owes you.

You have already claimed in this thread that you gave this person credit, which means you are the lendor and have already (mabey 2 times) sent in this debt to a CA, if so you can't mention this debt at all, you can never mention his credit worthyness in public, private, etc.

If he seeks counsel on this - you will probably have to settle or fight it

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Chaldoray

Mark, tell me one thing. When my lawyers contacted your credit bureaus back in january. They had ten (10) business days to respond, and they choose not to. So the file was canceled. Now that i posted in this thread, regarding what i thought of 2much.net. You had the nerve to send that thread of paying $10,171.09 US FUNDS? Before it was $12,000 US FUNDS. You keep changing it, it was from National Credit Systems, Inc before for $12,000. Now it's for $10,171.09 from Dixon Commercial Investigators Inc.

Mark, i am not paying a company that bribed me. You can threaten to ruin my credit, which will not happen. I will be more than happy to contact my lawyer again, wait... I am going to contact her, and tell her about this other false letter you sent again. I have proof of you lying, both letters say a different price.

Take care!

cams2chat

I run chat sites www.asiancammodels.com being one. I use Frontkick/Sidekick from nearly there. Admin panel is fine, we add anything simply we dont have. The plus with dealing with Nearly there is its an annual license fee so its a low entry cost compared to many and once you are up and running you can then move to a different set up if you so decide. Nearlythere with annual license fee have income and an interest in ongoing support and keeping your business which a one of license fee may not do.

I like Firecracker and it has been around for a while and its used by others but at $25,000 I dont like it that much at the moment. I looked at a Flash system this week but its video quality is about 65% what I am currently getting and any sharp movements causes pixel problems. It may be suitable for a video conference and possibly a dating site. But a sex site....nope!

I dont know the software or the gentlemen having a disagreement but will look at their software as I am looking for software suited to a dating site. Anyone wanting to get into chat or buy expensive software should spend a lot of time looking before leaping. Firecracker has been around for a while but see how many sites you can find with 20+ girls on at a time. See how many chat sites you can find with no girls.

Chat sites are tough work as the members and models are live so you double your hassles with people to deal with and then a lot of models dont have english as a first language so misunderstandings happen. If you are starting out you need to sell models the idea to run split cam so they make money elsewhere and give you a start. They wont stay without members....members wont stay without girls. None will stay and pay if your video quality sucks .... and a lot of software it does so make sure you buy quality.

If anyone has genuine questions they can email me at [email protected] and I will help if I can. ....... and no, I dont have an interest in nearlythere and I am also looking for extra software....just price and quality is hard to find.

directfiesta

This is pretty sad situation.... but obviously he didn't have the maturity to enter in such a deal.

Anyway, I am no lawyer, and you can quote me on that ...

But, by cancelling his "services", you sort of shot yourself in the foot ... You "repossed " your software and could have sold it to another party, reducing your lost .... That lost you could have tried to recoup from Ray.
Just think of a car payment. They take the car, sell it, deduct the proceed from the loan and go after you for the amount remaining.

Ray, collection agencies are loosers.... and your only worry is if you receive a court procedure ( not a lawyers letter, that is bs also).

Would be nicer if both would clean the table and close the subject.

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Chaldoray

I would like to clear it up, it was cleared. Until i posted in this thread, made my comment. He went with another credit agency, and i received the letter out of nowhere. I was shocked! Not only that, he even sold my babesoncams.com domain, without even telling me. Because i forgot my password.

sextoyking

See if there was NO written contract it's going to be real tough for the CA "collection agency" to collect. They can try of course but any negs they put on his CB, he can dispute and they can't verify as there is no paperwork, etc.

I bet money Mark has already violated the fcra and all this claimant has to do is get counsel.

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2MuchMark

Ray,

We did not own your domain name to begin with, and it was not sold to another company. What probably happened is that you let the domain name expire, and someone else purchase the domain name.

And, (I'm sorry, I forget who it was that posted this comment), but you are probably right. Our chances of collecting the debt from Ray is low at best, but I would be doing my own company a disservice if we did not at least try.

Ray, like I said I'm sorry that we can no longer work with you. This will be my last post on the subject which has unfortunately become a flame war of its own. I'm sorry I let this thread devolve into what it has. I kindly suggest that you drop this subject as well, and let eveyone move on to exploring ideas for greater profits, greater customer retention, better websites, and more fun.

Cheers Everyone!

Mark Prince

cams2chat

I just had a look at 2much and it reads well....maybe too well. host on their server, models from their Mbase or whatever...can direct you to traffic...even have you up on CCBill in a short period. I have ccbill on 1 site so I guess you dont have to go through the visa application as I did as it takes a little longer.

My question to 2much is if you have all that why not just do it yourself if its so lucrative? You have it all so why sell licenses?

Chaldoray

Mark, i am done with this situation. I am fed up with it, i let it go a long time ago. But you always bring it back up, you got your money, and i lost my money. You do the math, it's simple as that. I didn't even have my site up for two months.

Anyways, i wish you keep getting success with your business.

Take it easy!

Kevsh

They do have a site (livecamnetwork) that features the models in the Mbase. I believe - and don't quote me on this - the LCN site is for the most part a showcase for the entire solution. I'm sure it makes a tidy profit too.

cams2chat

Well instead of parting with a lot of up front money I would do 1 of 2 things.

Frontkick/Sidekick from Nearlythere as it is a low cost entry point

OR

Get a domain and cobrand with Streamray and set up studios on Streamray so you make some money, get traffic sorted and learn...it isnt easy. Then set up your own software from (up to you) and run split cam on your studios so your studio business makes money on Streamray while your site gets known.

I started off in studios supplying girls to a site called jedecool....now gone. Made me appreciate all aspects of the business. Aslo a lot easier to fund expansion from income rather than from savings.

MediaGuy

Actually, we do "do it" ourselves, with www.LiveCamNetwork.com - which is at once our flagship site, our demo site and the Petri dish where all our experimental stuff, like the girl-a-thong and our live hi-def widescreen stream, are tested.

One of the facets of live video chat we choose to emphasize is the interactive, human aspect of the thing. We get chat hostesses who don't hide their faces, who do use their voice, who don't "remind" the surfer that he should take them to VIP chat every 6.5 seconds, and so on.

Rather than take a marketer's approach and build a system that features co-branded affiliate plug-ins, we wanted to sell our platform as a solution for independent operators who would use the technology to make money and feature our technology for other potential takers.

That's what happened with LiveCamNetwork.com - it became our best selling point, our best advertising. People really don't realize how good, how well we've tweaked this technology, until they drop in on Alexxia, Melissa, or Teena and see for themselves the LiveCamNetwork video and audio stream.

I won't reveal any plans for the future just yet, suffice it to say that as our Little Site That Good and parent company grow and become more talked about, we obviously would not leave the other aspects of online marketing out of our strategy. We're just taking a less obvious route ;)
Greg Jones

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