Conversion optimization service--from 1:800 to 1:200 - GoFuckYourself.com

graphical x · 10-11-2005, 12:06 AM

Would webmasters pay for a service that optimizes conversion rates for their galleries or tours?

Scottie Apples · 10-11-2005, 12:08 AM

Sure, why not

graphical x · 10-11-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Scottie Apples

Sure, why not

I like them apples

Maybe such a system would help the little programs convert better and compete better than the big guys?

WiredGuy · 10-11-2005, 03:52 AM

Are you referring to paysite owners, TGP, gallery submitters, SEO webmasters or everyone in general? Either way, I don't see a reason why not.
WG

adonthenet · 10-11-2005, 04:43 AM

sure thing...
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E.Kant · 10-11-2005, 05:02 AM

I am interested in it as well hit me up : 461 531 88

Wolfy · 10-11-2005, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by graphical x

Would webmasters pay for a service that optimizes conversion rates for their galleries or tours?

Follow me on this one: I am sending 3200 uniques to xxx.com, generating 4 sales per day. I am earning $120 on the $30 PPS plan.
You offer to make my 3200 uniques generate 16 sales per day, generating $360 more per day.

If you charged $1000 for your service, it would take me 3 days to recoup your cost and for the rest of my life it is nothing but profit. So what's the catch?

Personally, I am a bit leary of an offer like that. You are claiming to be able to provide a 400% increase in profits. How do you know you can achieve such results? If you really can achieve something like that, why are you wasting your time posting here?

After giving it the 5 second think-through, based on the information you provided - my answer is no.

Nathan · 10-11-2005, 05:10 AM

Wolfy,

He actually did not say he would make 4 sales be 16 sales... he said he would make 1:800 be 1:200 ... Now there is 2 ways, one of them does not mean more money directly...

Wolfy · 10-11-2005, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Wolfy,

He actually did not say he would make 4 sales be 16 sales... he said he would make 1:800 be 1:200 ... Now there is 2 ways, one of them does not mean more money directly...

Sure enough. I'm still prepared to listen, but I'm definately on the lookout for snakeskin oil.

strobi · 10-11-2005, 06:10 AM

People would pay tens of thousands for something like that, for sure!

Marie · 10-11-2005, 06:14 AM

How would you be able to guarantee this? If the content sucks, conversions won't easily become better, IMO.

justsexxx · 10-11-2005, 06:17 AM

Who doesn't like this idea? But how much will you charge, do you offer garantues? Also, now I might di 1:1500 with TGP galleries, and so 15 sales a day. You might be able to make it 1:500, but when I only make 5 sales then, it still sucks...

$5 submissions · 10-11-2005, 06:19 AM

To prevent unjustified hype, the best arrangement would probably involve you (the optimizer) getting a % of sales if conversions hit a particular target ratio. Maybe ramp up the % the better the numbers get. That way, both parties are protected. No cash up front. Pay per performance.

Then again, if this thing really works, I'm sure a program would want you to do this service EXCLUSIVELY for them. Just my 2 cents.

SexyCityJim · 10-11-2005, 06:22 AM

I think it's obvious that if it was legit, anything that helps the ratios is going to be a seller. But i think it would be impossible to be able to make any kind of guarantee for something like this, and who is gonna want to be the first to shell out the cash on an unproven system?

JIm

DutchTeenCash · 10-11-2005, 06:22 AM

yup a share would be justified. it still sounds fishy though.

Doctor Dre · 10-11-2005, 06:25 AM

In adult, the traffic sees everything pretty quickly. You can have the best gallery in the world, and 2 weeks later it's only doing 50 % of the sales it was initially doing.

So one marketer cannot take over the marketplace for this specific reason. Too many people likes different things and you can't read into a surfer's mind. This is a market with a tons of nicroniches.

SBJ · 10-11-2005, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Scottie Apples

Sure, why not

damn you finally decided to join GFY

Good seeing you here

And for sure we would be interested in hearing something about this.. We hire people for SEO work and this sounds like if it were legit it would be more worth our time

graphical x · 10-11-2005, 08:45 PM

The reason people would want to offer this is because adult is a very big space(not as big as mainstream but that goes without saying). There's many many niches and subniches and areas of interest. Even if conversion optimization software / scripting / methodology were perfected it would still have opportunities in several areas to offer a paid service.

As for payment structure, it's been mentioned already above--pay per result or performance is probably the best way to turn nonbelievers, skeptics, and haters into foam-at-the-mouth customers. lol

Anyway, just exploring around for now. I'll definitely know who to hit up if things solidify and gain traction on this end.

harvey · 10-11-2005, 10:00 PM

possible? maybe. I wouldn't go as far as a 400% increase guaranteed because there are a lot of variables, but I've made some tours for ARS converting as low as 1:31 in their best days (TGP TRAFFIC!!! overseen content!) which now are consistently between 1:150 and 1:300. Say we're in 1:300 in average (which is exceptionalyy good nowadays, no matter what you say, I know the inside numbers for many programs). What happened that we went from that 1:31 and now we're 1:300? Again: lots of variables, crap traffic added (hence more sales as well), competition, people copying our tours and such. So my question is: how can you guarantee a consistent 1:200 from a regular 1:800 in average? Not that it can't be done, but I doubt you know everything what's going on inside a program.

ie, I could guarantee a raise in profits of 15/20%. And a similar increase in retention ratios. Could be more, but it would be unrealistic to say it. And pretty unbelievable. Furthermore, I'd be able to do that ONLY FOR CERTAIN SITES, since not all marketing tools works the same for different sites. So again, even when I'm not saying it's impossible, I really doubt you can guarantee a 400% raise. Unless you're not telling everything and you're talking only about conversions, not profits.

Basically, I'd love to see something more, maybe there's something I'm not getting. I can back my results, most of them are pretty public, but how can you make this guarantees and what proof do you have on these results?

viking1 · 10-11-2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by graphical x

Would webmasters pay for a service that optimizes conversion rates for their galleries or tours?

Sure,lets talk, hit me up 32861525

graphical x · 10-16-2005, 11:03 PM

Would AVS type sites be the best for this type of thing?

Wolfy · 10-18-2005, 02:35 PM

You do this:

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Originally Posted by graphical x

As for payment structure, it's been mentioned already above--pay per result or performance

And I will be this.

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Originally Posted by graphical x

...foam-at-the-mouth customers. lol

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graphical x Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 316	The reason people would want to offer this is because adult is a very big space(not as big as mainstream but that goes without saying). There's many many niches and subniches and areas of interest. Even if conversion optimization software / scripting / methodology were perfected it would still have opportunities in several areas to offer a paid service. As for payment structure, it's been mentioned already above--pay per result or performance is probably the best way to turn nonbelievers, skeptics, and haters into foam-at-the-mouth customers. lol Anyway, just exploring around for now. I'll definitely know who to hit up if things solidify and gain traction on this end.

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harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	possible? maybe. I wouldn't go as far as a 400% increase guaranteed because there are a lot of variables, but I've made some tours for ARS converting as low as 1:31 in their best days (TGP TRAFFIC!!! overseen content!) which now are consistently between 1:150 and 1:300. Say we're in 1:300 in average (which is exceptionalyy good nowadays, no matter what you say, I know the inside numbers for many programs). What happened that we went from that 1:31 and now we're 1:300? Again: lots of variables, crap traffic added (hence more sales as well), competition, people copying our tours and such. So my question is: how can you guarantee a consistent 1:200 from a regular 1:800 in average? Not that it can't be done, but I doubt you know everything what's going on inside a program. ie, I could guarantee a raise in profits of 15/20%. And a similar increase in retention ratios. Could be more, but it would be unrealistic to say it. And pretty unbelievable. Furthermore, I'd be able to do that ONLY FOR CERTAIN SITES, since not all marketing tools works the same for different sites. So again, even when I'm not saying it's impossible, I really doubt you can guarantee a 400% raise. Unless you're not telling everything and you're talking only about conversions, not profits. Basically, I'd love to see something more, maybe there's something I'm not getting. I can back my results, most of them are pretty public, but how can you make this guarantees and what proof do you have on these results? __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth Last edited by harvey; 10-11-2005 at 10:02 PM..

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graphical x Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 316	Would AVS type sites be the best for this type of thing?