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Old 10-08-2005, 08:31 PM   #1
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Wal-Mart Turns in Student?s Anti-Bush Photo, Secret Service Investigates Him

Jarvis is the chair of the social studies department at Currituck County High School in North Carolina, and she is not used to having the Secret Service question her or one of her students.

But that?s what happened on September 20.

Jarvis had assigned her senior civics and economics class ?to take photographs to illustrate their rights in the Bill of Rights,? she says. One student ?had taken a photo of George Bush out of a magazine and tacked the picture to a wall with a red thumb tack through his head. Then he made a thumb?s down sign with his own hand next to the President?s picture, and he had a photo taken of that, and he pasted it on a poster.?

According to Jarvis, the student, who remains anonymous, was just doing his assignment, illustrating the right to dissent.

But over at the Kitty Hawk Wal-Mart, where the student took his film to be developed, this right is evidently suspect.

An employee in that Wal-Mart photo department called the Kitty Hawk police on the student. And the Kitty Hawk police turned the matter over to the Secret Service.

On Tuesday, September 20, the Secret Service came to Currituck High.?At 1:35, the student came to me and told me that the Secret Service had taken his poster,? Jarvis says. ?I didn?t believe him at first. But they had come into my room when I wasn?t there and had taken his poster, which was in a stack with all the others.?

She says the student was upset.

?He was nervous, he was scared, and his parents were out of town on business,? says Jarvis.

She, too, had to talk to the Secret Service.

?Halfway through my afternoon class, the assistant principal got me out of class and took me to the office conference room,? she says. ?Two men from the Secret Service were there. They asked me what I knew about the student. I told them he was a great kid, that he was in the homecoming court, and that he?d never been in any trouble.?

Then they got down to his poster.

?They asked me, didn?t I think that it was suspicious,? she recalls. ?I said no, it was a Bill of Rights project!?

At the end of the meeting, they told her the incident ?would be interpreted by the U.S. attorney, who would decide whether the student could be indicted,? she says.

The student was not indicted, and the Secret Service did not pursue the case further.

?I blame Wal-Mart more than anybody,? she says. ?I was really disgusted with them. But everyone was using poor judgment, from Wal-Mart up to the Secret Service.?

A person in the photo department at the Wal-Mart in Kitty Hawk said, ?You have to call either the home office or the authorities to get any information about that.?

Jacquie Young, a spokesperson for Wal-Mart at company headquarters, did not provide comment within a 24-hour period.

Sharon Davenport of the Kitty Hawk Police Department said, ?We just handed it over? to the Secret Service. ?No investigative report was filed.?

Jonathan Scherry, spokesman for the Secret Service in Washington, D.C., said, ?We ertainly respect artistic freedom, but we also have the responsibility to look into incidents when necessary. In this case, it was brought to our attention from a private citizen, a photo lab employee.?

Jarvis uses one word to describe the whole incident: ?ridiculous.?


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Old 10-08-2005, 08:33 PM   #2
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Just got back from my first NHL game!

wow. that shit was awesome!

seats at near center ice 7 rows back or so.

freakin awesome. i am now a hockey fan!
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Old 10-08-2005, 08:34 PM   #3
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wow. that shit was awesome!

seats at near center ice 7 rows back or so.

freakin awesome. i am now a hockey fan!
lol, did you mean to post that in this thread?
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Old 10-08-2005, 08:35 PM   #5
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wow. that shit was awesome!

seats at near center ice 7 rows back or so.

freakin awesome. i am now a hockey fan!
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Old 10-08-2005, 08:47 PM   #6
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wow. that shit was awesome!

seats at near center ice 7 rows back or so.

freakin awesome. i am now a hockey fan!
congrats but off topic
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I believe that by law, the Secret Service has to investigate all possible threats to the President.

Once it was sent to them, they may not have had a choice but to get the facts about it.
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Old 10-08-2005, 08:59 PM   #8
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I believe that by law, the Secret Service has to investigate all possible threats to the President.

Once it was sent to them, they may not have had a choice but to get the facts about it.
this is true
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I believe that by law, the Secret Service has to investigate all possible threats to the President.

Once it was sent to them, they may not have had a choice but to get the facts about it.
That's actually correct, they are obligated to investigate everything that's brought to their attention.

Just like if you call the police and say "Help me help me" and then hang up and call back and tell them you were just kidding, they still have to come out and check it out.
It's protocol
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Or they are very fucken nervous!
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I believe that by law, the Secret Service has to investigate all possible threats to the President.

Once it was sent to them, they may not have had a choice but to get the facts about it.

threat ???

scared of getting shot with a thumbtack?

Then they should take all pretzels of WallMart shelves.
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Old 10-08-2005, 09:13 PM   #12
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Wow, that seems a little extreme!
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Well at least we know they investigate on every call they get...
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Old 10-08-2005, 11:00 PM   #14
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I think that sounds perfectlly reasonable.. If they arrested him nd kept him in solitary that woud be one thing.. but i dont find it odd they would investigate that ...

Sounds rather spooky to me.
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wow. that shit was awesome!

seats at near center ice 7 rows back or so.

freakin awesome. i am now a hockey fan!
wtf you think happen secret service took him to the game?
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I'd have to agree with Smokey.
It was reason enough for suspicion.

It's kind of crazy though, people mention they want to kill bush all the time on forums.
I wonder how many of those cases are looked into.
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Reason for the incident has already been given, but I still think it's very suspicous and kind of reminds me on some dictatorship regime :D :D
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wow. that shit was awesome!

seats at near center ice 7 rows back or so.

freakin awesome. i am now a hockey fan!
most interesting part of the entire thread.
keep up the good work.

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threat ???

scared of getting shot with a thumbtack?

Then they should take all pretzels of WallMart shelves.
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Any pornographer should not be accepting this.

Are you telling me if i take pictures of the anti-bush poster I have on my wall or the anti-bush" shirt i am wearing right now, WalMart should and DOES have the authority to literally have my door kicked in and have my computers taken and then what else?

Anyone who thinks this is acceptable most likely agrees cp is "cool" too

i have had worst anti-bush things printed up and placed on my car by anti bush people. this is no call for investigation of people. or invading their homes over it.
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Ah I remember well, East Germany 1970's and 60's Homeland Security. Neighbors were made felt important by telling them to turn people in who spoke against the Government.

It's going to get a lot tougher here before it will ever get better. Watch !
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Just like if you call the police and say "Help me help me" and then hang up and call back and tell them you were just kidding, they still have to come out and check it out.

Thats funny,, I gotta try that one day
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How long before Bush assembles a squad of stormtroopers to round up all perceived 'dissidents' - load them on to boxcars and ship them to an undisclosed facility somewhere in Alaska where they'll be quietly disposed of?

The story smacks of gestapo(ism).


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I think that sounds perfectlly reasonable..
Jesus christ - how is that remotely reasonable?

I don't know how the teacher kept a straight face. I would have laughed my ass off at the secret service for being soo DUMB!

I'm so happy I'm not a US citizen and don't live anywhere near there.

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I bet the secret service were driving a veHICKle
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who doesn't hate this guy. face makes me want to kill this sucker. I can say it as i am not an us resident. lol
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ahhh, reading this thread reminds me why most "webmasters" barely have a pot to piss in.
the lack of brains is stunning.

fletchxxx, can you please quote for me where this kid's door was kicked in or home was invaded?
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the real question here is did the kid get an F on his project since it had zero to do with the bill of rights.
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I actually realize i think i misread that - the article mentions his "parents were out of town during the raid" - "he was scared etc" i thought they meant raided home. They raided the school class room.

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ahhh, reading this thread reminds me why most "webmasters" barely have a pot to piss in.
the lack of brains is stunning.
What ASSumption leads you to conclude "most webmasters barely have a pot to piss in" based simply on commentary in this thread?

If ignorance is bliss - you must be in a euphoric state.
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What ASSumption leads you to conclude "most webmasters barely have a pot to piss in" based simply on commentary in this thread?

If ignorance is bliss - you must be in a euphoric state.
please child, before you step up to your betters, at least ask around and find out who they are first.

a troll like yourself who's been her for a couple of days shouldn't even be speaking to me.
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the real question here is did the kid get an F on his project since it had zero to do with the bill of rights.
Criticising the man who sponsored the Patriat Act has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights?

Life must seem very simple and wonderful to you.
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Criticising the man who sponsored the Patriat Act has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights?

Life must seem very simple and wonderful to you.
hahaha, another foriegner without a clue?

tell me, clueless, what part of the patriot act is unconstitutional?
don't post fairy tales, post exact provisions of the bill. You're posting with an adult now.
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please child, before you step up to your betters, at least ask around and find out who they are first.

a troll like yourself who's been her for a couple of days shouldn't even be speaking to me.
Sad delusions of grandeur...nothing more.

Your perceived 'status' here means fuck all to anyone.
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who doesn't hate this guy. face makes me want to kill this sucker. I can say it as i am not an us resident. lol
You think a threat against the president will be ignored because you are not in the US?
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Are you telling me if i take pictures of the anti-bush poster I have on my wall or the anti-bush" shirt i am wearing right now, [b]WalMart should and DOES have the authority to literally have my door kicked in[/] and have my computers taken and then what else?
..........
It's not as if Walmart contacted the authorities and told them to do anything..

It was an employee.. probably a minimum wage part-time college kid that felt it was his responsibility.. and it went from there...
It could have been a 1 hour photo place, a neighbor.. or anyone else that contacted the authorities..
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Sad delusions of grandeur...nothing more.

Your perceived 'status' here means fuck all to anyone.
nah, it means fuck all to "nobodies"
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hahaha, another foriegner without a clue?

tell me, clueless, what part of the patriot act is unconstitutional?
don't post fairy tales, post exact provisions of the bill. You're posting with an adult now.
What would posting text from the act prove? Until the issue reaches the Supreme Court and they render a decision, whether sections of the act are unconstitutional is a matter of opinion.

The Patriot Act will be judged but not for a number of years yet.

What is important is the student's right to have an opinion, and his right to express it without government intimidation. You may want to think about the 1st amendment to your constitution.

I don't know if he was thinking of the Patriot Act specifically, or something else that Bush has done. But he was clearly giving Bush the thumbs down in the context of a school civil rights project.

And he and his teacher were visited by the Secret Service.

Do we have to argue as to whether a visit from the Secret Service is intimidating or not?
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Old 10-09-2005, 03:04 PM   #46
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What would posting text from the act prove?
that you had a clue about the subject.
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I think that I would do my best to sue the shit out of walmart.
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Old 10-09-2005, 03:31 PM   #48
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that you had a clue about the subject.
You are a pretty underwelming in your writing.

Are your thinking abilities equally unimpressive?

Would I be on the mark in suspecting that you think Bill O'Reilly is a great journalist?

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Jesus christ - how is that remotely reasonable?

I don't know how the teacher kept a straight face. I would have laughed my ass off at the secret service for being soo DUMB!

I'm so happy I'm not a US citizen and don't live anywhere near there.

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I bet the secret service were driving a veHICKle

I would have laughed too if i was the teacher , but my point was that its perfectly reasonable for someone to think it was strange , and once the cia was notified , perfectly reasonable for them to investigate it ..

Perhaps if people had trusted their "sixth sense " before 9/11 it might not have happened.

If the photo place had pictures of kids being messed with , do you think its fair for them to report them , and it be investigated ? Even though the photo place has no proof the people in the pictures were underage ? of course you/we do ..

I dont think they need to harrass anyone , but i also dont think its such a bad thing that they investigate it..

I mean really , lets put it in realistic terms here . The wal-mart employee may have gotten a bad feeling , thought it was strange , reported it to the police , they said " we dont handle that " forwarded it to the feds. The feds called him said " whats with the picture " , he said " it was a school project " , they call the teacher ask " was it a school project ? " , teacher says " yup " case closed , i cant really see how the situation could have been handled "better"

Should the feds ignore warnings ? should wal-mart not report suspicious activity ? If you were in charge how would you have handled it ?
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