Sounds like a scence out of that Howard Hughes movie, Melvin and Howard but in reverse

Yes I DJ almost weekly, and I'm somewhat of a vinyl purist :thumbsup

That's terrible, come on. He may very well be an amazingly technical guitar player. But IN MY OPINION, that has nothing to do with being a good musician. It doesn't move me. And the shit about every messageboard? go to mtv.com messageboard and they'll swear by nickelback or linkin park...it's all relative. I'm not going to start telling you what music boards I frequent, but let's just say Van Halen and his like will get dogged rather bad in those parts.




I live by this rule and it's kept me openminded. It let me understand and appreciate the art and pain, and conviction in folk and country artists like Woody Guthrie, Johnny Cash, Dylan etc. when my friends were cocking eyebrows.

Isn't "somewhat" and "purist" an oxymoron?

Yeah it kinda is, but i can't think of a better way to describe my relationship with vinyl.

Well, on the one hand, Eddie doesn't look quite like he did back in the old days. He looks a lot different with short graying hair, a few more wrinkles and no tiger print spandex on. Heh heh.

On the other hand, my friend is not the brightest peg on the Lite-Brite.

LOL!

Gotta remember that one
:1orglaugh

There's your problem in a nutshell right there. You need new friends. :D

Seriously, I'm not sensing much openmindedness from you. Firstly, you swooped in here basically coming from the highly intelligent position "it sucks" ( :1orglaugh ). After being met with the usual response such a post merits, you then revealed your true perspective, that of the moral/musical-expert denouncing the artistic merit of said artist (and he is an artist, like it or not).

And it IS all relative, as you said. If record sales count for something then Eddie is about as "up there" as it gets. If having a bajillion girls creaming themselves over you as you play while a bajillion boys wish they were you counts for something then the same is true. If having a few dozen tracks hit the top 100 charts over the span of nearly two decades counts then it supports the theory even further.

...and he was a pretty great backup singer. :D

Will VH have a following in 50 years? I likely won't be around to see it, but I hazard a good guess the answer will be yes. In guitardom history his name will be forever ranked high, and the mark of maturity here would be to learn from this and use it to develop the ability to adjust your ever-so-learned opinion a little, because what I'm saying is right.

Btw, what has the guitarist for "Biggy" ever done? Any meaningful impact happening there?

I am pretty sure the guitar in the pic was the one he assembled from various donor guitars. The story goes he tried different combos of parts till he got the sound he wanted,

He was quoted as saying that his guitar solos at times felt like he was falling down a set of stairs.

They did some great covers. Try and find a copy of Pretty Woman done by them. Awesome.

I keep my old loyal friends i grew up with and the musicians with whom i work seperate.

Seriously, I'm not sensing much openmindedness from you. Firstly, you swooped in here basically coming from the highly intelligent position "it sucks" ( :1orglaugh ). After being met with the usual response such a post merits, you then revealed your true perspective, that of the moral/musical-expert denouncing the artistic merit of said artist (and he is an artist, like it or not).

I'll give that to you. Sorry.

In my book not one of those things matter.

Whatever, neither of us can really tell, so I'll retract my statement that they will be forgotten in 50 years. I apologize for any arrogance that might've come across.

Biggy was the brooklyn rapper who got killed in 1997. I grew up listening to old rap music.

I remember readin' that quote years ago, yeah. But the quote at the time was actually Eddie describing what he thought Cream sounded like when playing "I'm So Glad".

So the story went - Ed used to listen to early Cream records and slow them down so he could pick out the chord progressions...same with early John Mayall stuff.

Among my favorite EVH quotes was how he often described his "brown sound". He'd say - "If it sounds good...it IS good. Who cares how its done..."

S.K.

my friend your missing the point - what eddie van halen did was change the course of guitar playing and basically launced a GENRE - you may not be a fan of his playing or the genre itself but you cannot deny the INFLUENCE his playing, tone, approach and style has had on modern guitar - and that my friend is one of the true marks of a real musician and an elite one at that.

your statements about music show me you arent a musican or a wannabe musicaian or a young guy maybe all three - in a a word - ignorant - sorry man but thats just how you read.

but i will say your mention of cash dylan gunthrie save your ass from total stupidity but are obvious defense choices so you dont get a pass.

:1orglaugh @ you trying to give me credit

:1orglaugh @ you believing someone needs 'defense choices' in their argument against Van Halen.

Who the fuck is modern guitar?

Who did that influence?

Spector's productions influenced Brian Wilson, I understand.
Muddy Waters songwriting and playing influence The Stones, I understand.
VU, David Bowie. MC5, The Stooges. Guthrie, Dylan. Parsons, Neil Young, Etc.

Where is the Van Halen influence? Who can I hear that respectfully carries on his 'ENTIRE GENRE'? Slipknot? Buckethead? The Darkness? Where are the modern active musicians that give Van Halen a nod?

Why is it that the only respect i see given to Van Halen is either from

a) the people who have nostalgic emotional ties to the music and era
b) aspiring guitar athletics virtuosos

I-N M-Y B-O-O-K....INFLUENCE? DENIED.


I never intended to come in here and discredit Van Halen. Don't try giving me shit. Maybe it's just me but some of you guys are looking really desperate and challenged, calling me shit, assuming what i like, assuming what i do. Smells of 10 year olds defending the fact that they ate their own boogers. I listened and it bored me. It's a messageboard, let it go. Don't be a lame.

youre a total moron.

Your own words aptly illustrate the walking contradiction that you are.

Thanks for playing. My work here is done.

SilentKnight

www.kastlearchives.com
www.chamberofchains.com
www.fetishopolis.com

Your deduction skills just owned you. :1orglaugh

and your ignorance did you in ... sad cause you seem to be a pretty smart dude and appreciate art ...

You mad jonesy wonesy??

Did the bad boy upset you by calling out your favorite monkey act?

Grow up.

youre just another board idiot. - you mentioned some other great artists that wouldve been cool to speak about but that prob woulda digressed also.

thanks for calling me jonesy wonesy, it made me laugh - i used to date a chick yrs ago that used to call me that :1orglaugh

All I know is, debating the merits of VH with a rap fan is like convincing a lifelong homo to change teams.

Both are futility personified.

:1orglaugh

It is an adult business message board...and it supports the members who support the economy of this community and based on your opinions...conduct...and inability to step down when you have clearly been shown other perspectives you have confirmed ......

1. You have poor communiation and negotiation skills and even when presented with factual information still maintain an arrogant and ignorant position.

2. This means for me I would walk the other way with any business dealings with you on any level.

3. You would make a terrible employee.... disrespectful, self indulgent, self rightious, immature, and frankly....not very bright when it comes to "playing nice with others"

4.Message boards are a business, and your conduct and characteristics demonstrate your inability to play at a high level

5. Keep in mind it is how you interact as much as what you say. I dont mind that you have a personal dislike for a particular musician and that you are the one who looks like the uninformed unenlightened 20 year old immature bratty kid... it is the fact you cant have an opposing opinion without assuming there are those out there who can justify the credibility, clearly demonstarte the merit and influence, and you still choose to take your own personal opinion over fact.

This has nothing to do with the Band, the music, or even the rock music genre to me... it has become a contest of watching someone completely destroy any and all credibility... your opinion has not made a nay sayer out of me... your attitude has.

I hope you can take a real lesson from this.... sometimes what you say can be less important as how you say it....

I just think you are a hard headed kid who does not know when to shut up... you are entitled to your opinion but that does not mean your opinion is correct. If you wanted to claim a fucking coke bottle was GOD that is up to you but go sell crazy someplace else.... your opinions are clear here the only thing you are doing now is looking like a child who wont go to bed....as a word of solid strong advice.... quit... its no longer about music... its about you not knowing when to stop... I know the next comment will be who am I, who cares what I think, Fuck you, A couple little laugh icons, do I know who you are, you are pimp, etc. but seriously...

stop...

and dont be a dickhead... the man is a legend and you are just a fool who wont give up a point... and I have $100.00 that says you dont leave the thread alone...

for the same reason you will never do biz with me... too fucking arrogant to shut up

why listen to me.... because I have the power to take the unemployed....

...and employ them

wow... well said.

That's the most eloquent verbal whippin' I've had the pleasure of reading in a loooooong while!

Simply amazing.

poetry....

Thanks! That Rocked! :thumbsup

Now I remember this but I can't find my copy of the tape...

From what I understand this is from a bootleg called "Die Laughing". It's a recording of one of the last backyard parties they preformed. Van Halen had just recorded their first album but it hadn't been released in stores yet. The guitar world didn't know "eruption" yet and if you heard the entire concert you would hear that the audience applause after the solo was very small compaired to the size of the crowd. Nobody "got it" yet.

Good stuff. Post the whole show if you can find it. It's great and they even played songs that didn't appear until Halen's 3rd-4th albums.


:thumbsup

I was gonna icq you but you dont got a number up so....here you go:

http://www.jamisoncapital.net/images/204_100-bill.jpg


This factual information sure is elusive, why doesn't someone, anyone for fucks sake present some to me. That's all I've been asking for in this thread. I just wanted someone to quote my questions and points and argue them.

I'm not posting here to play nice. I'm not posting here to 'negotiate' you into liking what you like more or less than you do. I'm not posting here to get a job. I'm not posting here to impress a potential employer. I'm not posting here to win. I'm posting in this thread to argue my point, and hear what someone has to say about it.

Clearly it's all business and politics with you folks, and anything less scans as bratty immature snobbery. I've learned this is clearly not the place to discuss anything but business and I'm looking forward to all the time that'll save me.

Guy, never in my life would I be looking to be employed full time by a tight ass like yourself, or anyone else for that matter. I'm not looking to be a 'team player' or whatever other bland characteristic you look for in people. I'm looking for odd jobs to around the industry to get acquainted with how things work and fund my experimenting. So I think I'll just go on being 'immature,bratty,disrespectful,self indulgent, arrogant, self righteous, immature,' as long as I keep making enough of a living from being a musician so that i don't have to crawl and bark for a self serving fatcat who likes to throw his weight around while the iron is hot and fanboys egg him on.

The dislike isn't personal. And there you go again talking about people demonstrating shit when not one person has quoted and addressed anything I've brought up. Once again let me remind you, that this makes your 'observations' about me which I see as desperate personal selfserving attacks all the more dismissable.

Dude with the way you gauge 'credibility' I should be as lifeless and efficient as those meandering guitar solos. I can only hope, pray and wish I never adopt the attitudes and standards by which you measure people against yourself.


Yeah I'm taking a lesson. The lesson is don't talk objectively and aggressively about something not relevent to the business without expecting to be chastised. Better yet, don't 'talk' here at all.

How did you not cringe when typing that?


Jimbo, I'm willing to admit that I came off as an elitist trying to pick a fight amongst fanboys.

I hope you're willing to admit that you're Al Gore.

...341-717-414....if you wanna get points across without the fanboys.

He has a cool guitar. :thumbsup

really not looking for a job huh?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=525080

I'm Looking For Work, Is Anyone Hiring?

I can do:

Basic HTML
Data Entry
Email
Phones
Etc.

I am just starting out in this industry and I need some supplementary income. I've available at all times. I live in new york. I have no other responsibilities outside of working in this industry except for my work as a musician, so I'm ultimately flexible.

Part time, full time, whatever's clever. I'm cool, positive and more than willing to learn.

Look forward to hearing from some of you guys.



I'm cool, positive and more than willing to learn. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


you never brought anything to the table other than your obvious trite condescending comments which came off as sophmoric rants and highschool cutdowns - OBVIOUS.

It was obvious what you were doing and peopele picked up on it and played along, ripped your ass and your cred and now your crying about it - you owned yourself asshole.

your a garden variety troll, just another douchbag in a long line of them here at gfy.

whatever cred you might have had has disapated.

now run along ....

Van Halen is cool, I liked to listen to them when I was still in high school and into the 'guitar god' thing, but I'll still choose Angus Young over Eddie every time.

As I get older I like the more melodious type work rather than the super aggressive hard edged solo stuff. Peter Frampton on 'Do you feel like I do', when he finally quits talking on his guitar and goes nuts at the end is good shit.

early 70's Jimmy Page is still the uber-rocker guitar god imho.

Uh, no. He was simply suggesting that you consider your business standing before choosing to mouth off at people here, that's all. By and large that is fairly sound advice, but especially so for newbs.

Plus it helps us weed out and separate the surfers from the webmasters. :D

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=525080

I'm Looking For Work, Is Anyone Hiring?

I can do:

Basic HTML
Data Entry
Email
Phones
Etc.

I am just starting out in this industry and I need some supplementary income. I've available at all times. I live in new york. I have no other responsibilities outside of working in this industry except for my work as a musician, so I'm ultimately flexible.

Part time, full time, whatever's clever. I'm cool, positive and more than willing to learn.

Look forward to hearing from some of you guys.


:1orglaugh

:thumbsup
Also:
Tom Scholtz of Boston
Neal Schon fr the original Journey

Like I said in the quote you have in your last post.....

Read the board guy, all sorts of horseshit gets talked about here.... not just business & politics.

http://www.fetishopolis.com/kap-images/edandjimmy.jpg

He posts a photo of cheerleaders in response to Jonesy's "looking for employment' message link that once again demonstrates the troll's hypocrisy.

I hear the local adult vidstore is lookin' for someone to clean the video viewing booths havalina.

Who says America isn't the land of opportunity...