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Murderous · 10-04-2005, 03:30 AM

As many of you may know, the HTML 4.01 transitional is outdated and the current standards are XHTML 1.0 and XHTML 2.0 isn't even the same, and in fact shouldn't even be XHTML at all because it follows a whole different set of rules.

Did you know that SE's take the validation of your pages more serious than many webmasters do? The spiders look at a valid page as being relevant and the publisher takes care in the writing of said pages. They get recognized believe it.

With that said, I have been trying to work myself into the whole XHTML bit, and getting away from the whole HTML 4.01 altogether. I have been working towards making all my new pages Valid XHTML 1.0 markup. I have found that many sponsors link codes throw up several red flags when validating these pages. (I have not tested the NATS encoded URLs yet, but I am willing to bet they will pass, as opposed to all the a=12345&s=abcd type link codes.

When are we as webmasters going to get into the groove? They are about to extend the XHTML markup to the real 2.0 and over 75% of the webpages DEVELOPED today still use HTML 4.01 (which is perfectly fine, it is not going anywhere)

What are your views? Do you think it even matters? If yes, why? If no, why?

This should get interesting.

Jimbo · 10-04-2005, 03:47 AM

why use XHTML for normal webpages?

Really? I only used that for WAP so far cause I had no choice

here's an interesting link: http://mbrix.dk/xhtml

something else I found interesting while questioning myself: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/seo/

Jakke PNG · 10-04-2005, 03:49 AM

I figured IE doesn't render xhtml correctly.

Basic_man · 10-04-2005, 03:54 AM

Looks like Dreamweaver is a step before everybody. When you create a new page, it create an XHTML page...

The Sultan Of Smut · 10-04-2005, 04:01 AM

I started with XHTML 1.0 from the get go a few years back when I heard that SE bots choke on poorly coded pages like when you don't close your paragraph tags. I don't think it makes a huge difference but if you're slugging it out for the #1 spot in the serps having a properly coded page might make the difference. Plus your pages render faster

Murderous · 10-04-2005, 04:45 AM

Well the way I see it, XHTML has been the new standard for a few years now, and many don't really know what it is, and don't bother looking into it. TGF's response is totally unexpected as XHTML was basically made to create a medium for which browsers can be cross compatible. No more code that was specifically made for one browser and not the other. My guess is it is either a really old version of IE or the code was invalid.

And Dreamweaver has a neat little check box for XHTML in the preferences. Mine was NOT checked by default, dunno if Basic Mans was or not...

Jimbo, you are a perfect example of why this thread was created, but yeah nice links, did you read them?

10-04-2005, 03:47 AM	#2
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10-04-2005, 03:30 AM	#1
Murderous Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,938	Do you consider yourself a REAL webmaster? What language do you code your pages? As many of you may know, the HTML 4.01 transitional is outdated and the current standards are XHTML 1.0 and XHTML 2.0 isn't even the same, and in fact shouldn't even be XHTML at all because it follows a whole different set of rules. Did you know that SE's take the validation of your pages more serious than many webmasters do? The spiders look at a valid page as being relevant and the publisher takes care in the writing of said pages. They get recognized believe it. With that said, I have been trying to work myself into the whole XHTML bit, and getting away from the whole HTML 4.01 altogether. I have been working towards making all my new pages Valid XHTML 1.0 markup. I have found that many sponsors link codes throw up several red flags when validating these pages. (I have not tested the NATS encoded URLs yet, but I am willing to bet they will pass, as opposed to all the a=12345&s=abcd type link codes. When are we as webmasters going to get into the groove? They are about to extend the XHTML markup to the real 2.0 and over 75% of the webpages DEVELOPED today still use HTML 4.01 (which is perfectly fine, it is not going anywhere) What are your views? Do you think it even matters? If yes, why? If no, why? This should get interesting.

10-04-2005, 04:01 AM	#5
The Sultan Of Smut Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 4,325	I started with XHTML 1.0 from the get go a few years back when I heard that SE bots choke on poorly coded pages like when you don't close your paragraph tags. I don't think it makes a huge difference but if you're slugging it out for the #1 spot in the serps having a properly coded page might make the difference. Plus your pages render faster

10-04-2005, 04:45 AM	#6
Murderous Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,938	Well the way I see it, XHTML has been the new standard for a few years now, and many don't really know what it is, and don't bother looking into it. TGF's response is totally unexpected as XHTML was basically made to create a medium for which browsers can be cross compatible. No more code that was specifically made for one browser and not the other. My guess is it is either a really old version of IE or the code was invalid. And Dreamweaver has a neat little check box for XHTML in the preferences. Mine was NOT checked by default, dunno if Basic Mans was or not... Jimbo, you are a perfect example of why this thread was created, but yeah nice links, did you read them?