is that just on tuesdays and thursdays though :1orglaugh

Right and you fail to factor in Whales :) so say one of those gusy sepnds $500 a night thent that guy is word $100 a join. Rev share kicks ass over PPS in the long haul. Will with the ammount of traffic you have you could send it to me and at first yes you would make less money but after 6 months it would be the same and after a year you would be making more money with me than with Clickcash. I have gained huge ground in the last 9 months. We are now converting double what we were converting before. Start sending me traffic, cuzz I am on fire right now, and it only a matter of time before I take over as the king of cams programs. I am number 2 right now for sure, and closing the gap quick, in terms of $$ made each day.

It shows more and more traffic is flowing to us and away from Ifriends. what this means is more and mroe people are discovering we pay as much or more than ifirends. We would not be growing at the massive rate we are if we were not competative or better than said competition.

It also shows that the surfers are enjoying cams.com more than ifriends, and are coming back to us more often than not.

I love my AFF account rep. He > *.

so that would mean your site is becoming more saturated and my traffic is more likely to already be a member or have seen cams already. How does this help me make more money?

sorry i don't believe the amount of hits your site gets has anything to do with how much money I can make, well if anything the more hits your site gets the less i would stand to make due to saturation.

ok believe that if you wish but then why would you still be #2 by your own admission if alexa ratings meant anything and not #1 ????

and for every whale there are thousands of free joins that don't spend a penny.

Even if i could brake even in 6 months I wouldn't do it but that is just me. I would rather all the money now instead of bits and pieces every 2 weeks over the next 6 months. One reason I stated, if something happens to the company i lose 6 months of revenue opposed to 1 week of revenue with the pps option. Also, I invest my money, so by getting it all now I put it to work making 10% or more return for me, so by the time 6 months rolls around I have made a lot more off of my money.

I am in this for the long term i just don't like tieing up my money long term in other people's hands. Any other industry I would be fine with doing that but in this industry so many things can happen, and have happened (to me before), It is too risky IMO.

and for the girl with the paranoid comment, until you have been burned by companies like ibill, web800 and other affiliate companies, then you will not understand what you are talking about.

It shows that, over time, we are getting closer to the #1 spot. We are gaining ground as Ifriends loses ground. It's a simple graph.

I well remember the Ibill fiasco. I've been doing the interweb thang since 1998. I still think it's a rather paranoid way to do business to not trust a well established company with a good track record. But I can understand that some people may be a little gun shy still.

out of curosity since 1998, how much of your income is from working on cam or from actual advertising?

You "remember" ibill, how much money did you lose to them?

The is nothing "gun shy" about why I prefer to be paid now over later but everyone is entitled to their opinions.

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Will, just a heads up. I would not make this personal. AFF pays tons of money out. Cams.com has better support and pays less. People should test both for a bit. See what works for them.

Most of my income over time has been from subscription sales to my own paysite. I have used the cams on and off to generate extra now and then before, but now am using it regularly since the Featured Broadcaster function lets me broadcast for free to my members. But my memberships are still my main income.

I lost no money to iBill, but a site I was working for JUST signed up to the 800 service two weeks before the shit hit the fan, so it didn't lose much, but I definitely know what people were going through.

If "gun shy" is a bad phrase for it, then I will stick with "overly cautious." :)

LOL if anything is saturated and tired its Ifriends.. Dude look at what ya just said. hahahahah Ya cant have it both ways. I dont believe in saturation on community sites, with new fresh models coming on every day, there is always something new to keep teh surfer happy. I also think as much as you say you avoid risk by gettin your money up front, you are taking massive risk by puttin most if not all your Time and energy building up ifriends. If they go under you will take forever to come back. If you spliut your traffic up you would make slightly less with them but you would protect yourself from them going out of buisness. Not saying that they are just as you pointed out anyone can go under for a number of reasons. I know all too well about 3rd parties as I got raped by DMR back in the day I lost minimal to nothing when Ibill went under because I no longer use any 3rd party processing. I too like to spread the risk around :) At some point we will earn all of your traffic. you are a good marketeer and a smart person I look forward to the day we get you to send us your mass of surfers :)

Not to mention he is on the revhsare model with iFriends. He is working for the referral cash.

I totally agree with this as well.

For me clickcash far outperforms, but then again I haven't landed any whales either to make Lars' program worth pushing. However, I know even if I had made 10% of the revshare that I've sent to clickcash over the years I'd have been retired SEVERAL times over by now...kills me to think about it lol.

Anyways, for those of you wanting the best of BOTH worlds you'd be missing out if you didn't push these guys. Big Cash Crew has a 25 buck / 20% combined setup that'd you'd be NUTS to not test out. Nice join page link, etc...


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i like " smart" and " good business" but I am trying to blow my own horn too :winkwink:

I agree with most of what you said. What I like about ifriends is that *I* can advertise it about 10 different ways that is one of the main reasons why I think I do so well with clickcash. If people send their traffic to ifriends.com or if they advertise it only as a webcam site I can see how that would back a saturated argument. I personally am not a big believer of saturation, but i know a lot of people sware by it and is why i throw it out there. You can elimate the thought of saturation 100% if you are advertising a company/ product that gives you a lot of flexability with your marketing. I can advertise ifriends as a webcam site, dating site, mega porn site, solo girl cam site, avs type site, etc. I can also market different aspects of the site like HDTV, multi angle cams, and free shows just to name a few. If you get stuck with using the same old ads that everyone else is using, that can't help the webmaster no matter what you promoting.

In regards to the risk, if I wanted to switch everything to cams (everything) it really would only take me a couple hours. I just don't see how that is taking a risk and the need to spread it around. If i make 10% less with Company B, and i send them 1/2 my traffic, then all i need is Company A to stay in business for more then 20 weeks for me to come ahead. Basically if I lose 1,500 a week by spliting my income, in 20 weeks time I would have lost 1 whole week's income from company A. then if Company A goes down and I lose a paycheck I am still ahead of the game. After doing ClickCash for 5 years I am a couple months ahead of the game. And if ClickCash went under I could convert TeamClickCash to TeamLars and make the transition in a few days, I doubt it would be hard to get everyone to follow me over :)

lars know i like him and that i think cams is a good program.

We just having fun. But i do think gun shy is a bad word. :warning

It's taken me quite a while to get a few big fish but it's nice to see some in there now! It really pays off! You just don't know....Lars's program is the shit...but you have to be verrrrry patient.

You can go in and see which cam girls they spend their money on in the stats too, some of these guys get addicted to one or two girls and build a rapport with them. This is great for recurring revenue. If the model is treating the customer right, YOU the webmaster get rewarded with more money and SHE gets rewarded too for doing a good job

. And then when the new girls come out, they sample them out too.

Woohoo Cams.com 2.0 is comin on WAY strong move your click cash traffic to the New cams Leader Cams.com 2.0

You guys should test out a new program that is kicking ass. It's a great alternative to both of these programs. I've worked with PPS for 4 years. Revshare is a great way to go. My programs will be big in 2006. BigCashCrew! Our stats are awesome and people are making good money with me. Check out this thread for more details ;)
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=563556

Signup and I'll give you free credits to go in and grab private content ;)
Errol