Danny_C, if you think peace in Palestine will be achieved through bloodless means by anything less than total Israeli evacuation then you haven't researched the subject as well as you would have us believe.

Your assumption that those whose opinion is contrary to yours are not thinking about matters before posting is a cheap attempt to divert attention away from the topic.

There is a lot of information on the internet available for anybody willing to take the time.

The Arab states now blame everything on Israel but it would be wise to remember that these are the countries that sided with the Axis in WWII.

In 1948, one day after Israel's first prime minister David Ben-Gurion declared the existence of the Jewish state it was attacked by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq. Saudi Arabia, a country that has a history of not allowing entrance to jews, recently stated that peace is dependent on Israel pulling out of disputed areas of Palestine.

In my opinion, these are intolerent, largely uneducated people with a deep hate of the western world. We all fought them in the past and will likely need to do so in the near future.

The only peace in the Mid-East will come after a massive war and restructuring of the region.

Smegma,
go fuck yourself, idiot

Dear Serge,

fuck you..

Love,

Smegma

This just pisses me off to no end!!!
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...3154321491.jpg

CAPTION Palestinian youth kisses seven-year-old Palestinian boy Mahmoud al-Talalqa, who was killed when a bomb being built by a Palestinian terrorist inadvertantly exploded outside his shanty in the Bedouin village in the northern Gaza Strip, March 1, 2002. A neighbor watching 20 meters away on his balcony told Reuters that some dumbfuck was playing with explosives and now a little boy is dead! The boy's body remained on the scene until the Palestinians gathered all of the remaining explosives so they could use them in future bomb attacks!

Anyone can write a nice caption!!!

Yes.. the AP News Wire did mine.. do you have a spell checker? jesus.

OKay, I am not taking sides because like I said I think both sides are just as bad as each other but that link it hardly unbiased. It is full of editoral phrases and doesn't even attempt to see the other side. DOn't det me wrong other websites exsist doing the same for the the other side.

On another note..why does the website need 'heart tugging' mussic for all its pages. Either the story is deep and touching or it isn't.

Actually, you know what, I just read that entire website and you know what it just made me think what a great world this would be without religion.

This is very true. :)

Hah you "anti-zionists" are just a bunch of closet Jew haters, with your genocide and ethnic cleansing crap!!!

Look at a fucking map you brainwashed idiots. Let's see hmm, the Jews are allowed to live on 1% of the land and arabs can live among them, vote, serve on the supreme court and in the senate, etc. etc.

That leaves 99% of the Arab land Jew-free. But that's not good enough. And all the fighting over the settlements, because the Palestinian territory must remain Jew-free too.

As far as America supporting Israel...bullshit, if it wasn't for America the Israelis would have ended that problem long ago. And anyway since most european nations back the Palestinians, what's the fucking difference.

Let's see how many of those Palestinians were SUICIDE BOMBERS?

How many of those Israelis were women and children shopping or at a disco or eating pizza?

Danny wrote "It's easy to point fingers and throw around the word "terrorist" while you sit in the U.S. in your nice home drinking your martinis. But have you ever bothered to ask yourself, "Why are they 'terrorists'?" I'm sure you haven't.

These are oppressed people fighting for liberation. They're not just randomly killing people because "all they know is war", or any other lame reason you might come up with when you're watching the action on MSNBC. They're fighting the war with the best means they have available, because they have children who they love, and spouses they love, who they want to see live better, more peaceful lives. "

Never in my 31 years of life have I heard such a load of horseshit!

If they were attacking Israli military targets or even Israli government buildings or police stations of things like that I would say they are an oppressed people fighting for liberation. But the reality is they walk into banks and open fire, blow up busses carring civilians and explode bombs in grocery stores.

They may be an oppressed people, that's another argument but trying to make their actions sound noble and just is just as fucked up as the actions themselves

Let's see what have their Arab brothers done to help them? Why were so many palestinians kicked out of Arab countries, like Kuwait and Jordan. Why are they still living in refugee camps, 50 plus years after the founding of Israel. Those refugee camps are a fucking joke...they are kept there for political purposes only. the palestinians are opressed alright, but by who? What does Arafat do with all of the money he gets from the US and Europe???

Arafat is Father of all terrorists.:ak47:

uhuh. wake up.

even the arab countries are feeling sick of the palestinians... they always cause problems and somehow believe that they can get away with it...

killing children is a bad thing, tho... it's cynical to say but you do know what "collateral damage" means, right? :(

Don't put words in my mouth. I never excused them for anything. In fact, I specifically said the opposite. I said that I don't agree with their tactics, but that I try to understand their motivations. The Israelis haven't exactly been saints, and we shouldn't treat them like they are. We love to suck up to the powerful and treat the oppressed like barbarians - rather than calling them barbarians, how about words like, "uneducated". "Desperate".

It may be an unpopular attitude, but when the WTC was attacked, first I condemned their actions. THEN I tried to understand what would motivate them to do such a thing. Sure, it's 80% brainwashing. The other 20% is legitimate resentment toward the U.S. If even 1% of that resentment is legitimate, then where is the problem in a little change? What's wrong with swallowing some pride and revising foreign policy in order to save some lives? I guess it's much easier to just to throw some bombs at them, though. If we miss a few times and kill some innocent children... well, that's just the price of a war.

Anyway, I agree with the rest. Religion is at the root of it all, and the sooner we realize that dogmatic faith in ancient books and scrolls is limiting our ability to expand our knowledge of truth, and keeping us at war with one another (and of course, killing gays, etc), the better.

Anyway, I'm out of this thread... I'm gonna get in trouble. :)

I never said there was oil in Israel. I said we're over there to protect our oil interests.

Oh, and a couple final notes before I finish... cause I don't want to come off wrong:

1) I didn't mean to sound rude in my first post. If I did, I'm sorry.

2) Even Bush (from my understanding) has said that the Palestineans need to be given their own land.

3) I want to reinforce the fact that I'm NOT excusing any terrorism. I'm against violence in all forms. It was a philosophical argument. I just think people are too quick to judge on the wrong basis, and defend their own before they really consider every angle. We have too much pride, at the expense of objective thought. To sum up: I think there are better ways we could be handling that situation.

amen :thumbsup

WHY ARE PALESTINIAN "KIDS" GETTING KILLED?

is one pic?

http://rotter.net/forum/User_files/signatures/mikel.gif

more to come.

Exactly "metoo":thumbsup
I couldnt agree more. Only cowards can hide
behind children and women.

WHY ARE PALESTINIAN "KIDS" getting killed?

is it Israel they are really after ?
http://planet.nana.co.il/polo0/22.jpg


palestinians love humans, just because they are humans...
http://planet.nana.co.il/polo0/24.jpg


The israeli monster:
http://rotter.net/forum/User_files/3c79f110462b7ff9.jpg



more to come.

this is a picture of one of the palestine hamas, right ?

only labret said he was "anti-zionist" and i doubt half the others here even know what that is...


oh get fucked.. the isrealis are hiding behind US vetos to UN involvement.. who the fuck cares what europeans do.. the jews were only allowed to have their land because england and the US gave it to them.. they are lucky they get to hide behind America and the nice weapons america sells them...

Beware!!! The evil Zionists (JEWS) are taking over!


http://www.rotter.net/israel/mecountry.gif

heh, nice man !
it's seems like israel is 1% of all the arabs countries around... and they still afraid of it ;)

fact is they were displaced from their land and they are fighting for it the only way they can.. i admire the conviction and heart of someone willing to throw a rock at a fucking tank.. it's not the action of someone that has reason to be thankful with whats been done to them.... still they'd have a lot more support if they had the brains to only target the military.. they're not exactly going to get much sympathy detonating their intestines over teeenagers.. fucking idiots... even if there were no stupid religions there would still be feverish nationalism..

Keep dreaming. They forced the Brits out. The Brits divided it up between the Jews and Arabs. Most of what was to belong to the Arabs was called Trans-Jordan, which is now Jordan.

Yeah, right!!! The whole world is against them EXCEPT the only part that matters! The most powerful nation on earth. Looks like your the one who is fucked.

What's really funny is how so many countries treated the Jews, including yours. Yeah you guys kicked them out. But you're up in arms over them having their own country.

i wonder if they would do it again if knew the consequences of the creation of a jewish state a half century ago.. i mean yeah they need their watch dog in the area and all.. but....

Yeah, guys like you wish the commie, Arabist, Jew hating UN could rule the world. Unfortunately for you, my great country prevents it.

I aren't you repeating what i said a little earlier? about america having veto and nobody caring about what the europeans think?
uh?
LOL why would i be fucked? what does pointing out how fucked up israel and their war criminal leader are, and pointing out how fucked up the palestinians and their blown up intestines are got to do with my personal "fuckedness"? LOL

i didn't kick anyone out.. you're talking to a shadow buddy.. thats like me saying you killed indians lol..
im not up in arms about them having their own country, im pointing out how fucked up they are in their actions and "having their own country" on someone else's country.. if they want their own country go to fucking greenland. otherwise disseminate into the world population at large.. do the jews in america deserve their own cordoned off section? no they have assimilated and are a welcomed (for the most part) part of society..
besides what mandate exists that jews deserve their own country?
what christians deserve their own countries too? muslims? atheists?

LOL.. whatever... watch the reds under your bed! i don't side with any faction - commie, arab, jew, christian, australian, US, purple, pizza, vagina
i seriously don't give a fuck.. theres just a basic underlying injustice.. people A have a place.. people C shove people B onto people A's place.. doesn't get any simpler.. no matter how much you want to divert the situation to religion, or "deserving" matters..
if you seriously think that i wouldn't be having this exact same conversation if england had of shoved a bunch of muslims on jewish land displacing the jews then you don't understand whats going on here at all

hhahahahhahaha,
and NOBODY on Earth killed more palestinians than Jordan King Hussein,
when palestinians decided overthrow him in the 50th!

but....Arab world had no problems with that whatsoever when it was done by one of them.

and to all antisemites out there:
:321GFY

They are already have their own country genius!!! Duh! And who the fucks country isn't on somebody else's country? Yours? Surely you've seen those funny aboriginal people. It's ok for everybody else, just not the Jews?

All I'm saying about America is that everybody is shitting all over themselves about a tiny fucking country in the mideast and blaming America for it. Well, if America is to blame, too bad is all. You don't fucking tell us who we can and cannot support. If the terrorist attacks were indeed because of our support for Israel, then fuck the terrorists, cause that's fucking extortion, end of story.

You gonna kick someone's ass for being the friend of your enemy?

how many antisemites living in Australia?

do you have URL for OZ antisemites?

You hit the nail on the fucking head!!!! Nobody ever looks at the treatment of these people at the hands of other arabs. But when the Jews defend themselves everybody screams bloody murder!

hey, being Jew from USSR gives one some knowledge of history and perspective...

also...Palestinians were the FIRST who collaborated with Saddam Hussein after he invaded Quwait, and even Saudies curtailed support for them after it happened.

Excellent,
I have a job cut out for ya, and much closer to your home!

England displaced aboregeans from their own land and now you can start helping them and demand "Aussies Go Home"

go fight for their rights and correct the injustice made.

And be a good sport, show the example by your own actions and leave Australia!

I wonder if Israel takes you
:)

Hahaha good one

Mika,
being close to Russia,
you know first hand,
that every fucker out there would rather fight for injustices in far away lands than apply the SAME principles they believe are good for others to themselves!

A. i have jewish blood in me. but am not a jew anymore than i am a christian.

B. why would i know about antisemetic url's? that sooo pathetic and cheap.. anyone who doesn't agree with what a country is doing is labled anti-semetic? i could just as easily say im anti-war criminal.. thats just sad serge.

C. i explained that had the situation been reversed i would be supporting the jews against the palestinians but you can't seem to get that through your thick heads are you so blinded by your prejudices you can't see both sides? bigot

D. i have protested against government interference with aboriginal landrights and acknowledge it is their land and they should be justly compensated.

E. the english invasion of australia and the oppression of the aboriginals has about as much to do with me as it does with you. my family has only been here for a few decades..

F. the situation isn't quite the same as we co-exist in relative harmony... and if there were a few less racists around we'd get on even better.

G. im not tied to australia.. we've got half the country whinging about a few boat people and a prime minister that won't apologise on behalf of the past injustices to the aboriginals, demonises immigrants, and appoints christian luminaries to secular government jobs..

Ah there is and has been injustice everywhere. It all depends how far we must go when we look at the history.

Go home Americans and give the land back to Indians.

...and give Italians 1/2 of the world once occupied by Rome!

...and give Greeks the borders once hold by Alexander The Great

...and Mongolia should be reinstated by the maps Tatars had

yeah, let's do it all over again,
I'm ready!:glugglug

LOL i live by my principles and start by applying them at home.. unlikle you though.. i am not blinded by factions and adherence to dogma.

so i take it that you apply the same backdoor dealing and shaving you do on a personal level with webmasters with the world at large? at least my actions are in line with my principles.

Cretin,
I don't deal with webmasters for the last 3 years,
you can't hurt my business, because I don't have any, prick
:)

and your principles are called
Anti-Semitic

don't be ashamed, wear it proudly, you are not alone,
and 250,000,000 arabs will call you LinkUP-BRO!

you really have to stop assuming that because someone points out obvious flaws in israel's actions that they are against jews, or pro arabs, that because someone points out flaws in US foreign policy that they are anti-US and pro UN or commie, that by pointing out the flaws in a the anti-whatever person's country it's somehow a revelation to that person, given they are the sort of person to notice injustice.

jesus people... fucking let go. thers no black and white.. no "my country's perfect"...

LOL fucking hell serge :) you KNOW im not anti-semetic and you're just poking fun to annoy me...

link-up-bro.... do people of arabic descent use "bro" heaps in the US too?