what Israel Action?
Self Defense???

go take another look on the map and how 6 mln Israelies dominate 250 mlns poor Arabs

you are not?

prove it,
repeat after me:
Baruh Hota Adenoi alaheinu meleh maaolam...


127 times!
:)

You are right...people should not be labeled that way unless that is what they are. But some people get confused when they see a person who isn't anti-semetic using information created by those who are. I'm just saying that sometimes the "facts" are not facts at all, but the tools of propagandists. I don't mean to implicate you in any of that. I'm just pointing out how people can be easily confused in these matters.

99% of people believe in propaganda (not all, but good propaganda) according to studies.
You're lucky if you belong to that 1%, but probably you just THINK you do.

puh-lease.. it's not just self-defence... you HAVE to know that.. why do you think they don't want peace-keeping troops there?
they aren't dominating 250 arabs.. im not talking about anyone else but palestinians... i don't give a toss about the arab world at large.. im not putting them all in the same box.. if iraq attacked israel then thats just plain war - im not taking sides..... not all arab countries are the same.. thats like saying france and the US are a unified entity.. and please don't think i condone palestinian actions either... murder is murder.. killing is killing..

I thought all NATO countries =USA. not just France LOL

oh yeah?
did we do wrong if we KILLED Bin Laden?

oh of course theres heaps of propaganda out there.. it's scary - i was talking to a muslim cab driver the other day and he was goin on about how 9/11 was a jewish conspiracy and jews were secretly told not to come to work that day and whatnot... sure thats an extreme and i don't pretend to have cut through ALL bias.. no-one can.. but i have taken a step back and don't support the actions of either side.. i hold no attachment...

yeah well thats an exception lol but there IS a difference between a proven arch terrorist and yer average jew or arab.

Because Peace Keeping Troops
are not trained in fighting terrorists and suicide bombers.

Do YOU see PKT working as Border patrols and going, like we did in Afganistan, to the heart of the matters?

I don't think so....

sure, sure, and who were the ones who trained suicide bombers who blow pizza parlors full of children and women, discoteques full of teens?

Average arabs? And how do YOU get them?

By singing Kumbaya in 37 languages?

Hey Serge and bhutocracy

I'm looking for an answer to one simple question. Please give me an answer or a way how I can find the answer:

"When old wounds will mend?"

heheh... that had better not mean "i am a dickhead" :)

don't worry,
this is just a blessing, it's harmfull even in large dozes
:)

did i ever say not to kill such a person to prevent more murder?
are you saying average arabs are suicide bomber trainers?
im talking about the innocents on both sides - the people just like you and me who inevitably suffer


i think kumbaya would be pretty similar in most languages :)

Never,
'cuz they ALWAYS be replaced by the new ones....

of course I don't, but...they LIVE and WORK among the average arabs and getting to them is not always easy.


Cowards...they use their own people as a human shields...
do THEY care about their own people?

lol.... well fuck me....

the "happy happy world" way: there should be UN peacekeepers on the ground to impart some presence that isn't intent on killing the other..... the palestinians being the oppressed have to realise that they will never truly defeat israel and quit the suicide bombing, the israelis have to recognise this and stop the current bombing campaign and demilitarise they have to be watched over like children for 500 years until they get used to living together.. cause that the only way it will happen.. palestinians will always want their land.. and the israelis will never give it back they have to live neighbour to neighbour in relative prosperity with neither side an underclass..

as this will never happen because it's fairy-land talk.. it will take the obliteration of one side...

and i DO support getting them..... just not missing and killing innocents..

no, you are NOT anti-semite,
I take it back,
my mistake.

you are just young, but this also shall pass
;)

nice chatting with ya.

i also don't think it's a religious thing.. it's just a power thing.. religion is an easy rallying point and identifier though.. but the current situtaion would still be the same if both sides were atheistic..

lol i'll grant you the last insult because i have been antagonistic as well.. nice chatting to you too pops. :)

this is why we got into this situation in the first place..

because the palestinians are teaching their young children to hate Israelis and instead of teaching them math or literature they teach them how to use fire arms!


http://rotter.net/forum/User_files/3c80ba403650039c.jpg

http://rotter.net/forum/User_files/3c80ba743775034a.jpg

http://rotter.net/forum/User_files/3c80ba95386358a2.jpg

this, i think sums up the entire situation between Israel and the Palestinians :
http://rotter.net/forum/User_files/3c80bb123aae2dd1.gif

no.. no it's not.. that is the action of retaliation.. not instigation.. the west interfering with other countries is how "we got into the situation in the first place"... just like kashmir...

this might sound a bit drastic.. but.. alot (or ALL) of what the palestinians say to the Western Media is LIES here's a little "Demonstarion" of what the Palestinians do in front of Western Journalists... (this is from a french reporter..)
(the file is only 600-700k so don't mind the lame bandwidth :))
http://idf2000.co.il/images/junkmail...junkmail3.mpeg

Utterly ridiculous. The PA charter to this day calls for the complete annihilation of Israel. It is self defense plain and simple. You are so easily fooled by "Palestinian" propaganda. They themselves are a myth. The world knew of no Palestinian people prior to the 67 war, when Israel took more land. Yassir arafat is fucking EGYPTIAN.

what, - play "3 stooges"?

*sigh* yeah.. all the palestinian propaganda i get... defense DOES NOT include retalitory strikes and killing innocent civilians .. stop being so easily decieved by "jewish" propaganda...

to whome are you reffering ?

It started when the UN said that any arab living in the area for at least 2 years prior to the state of Israel, could be considered a refugee. A great many "palestinians" were quickly created in order to benefit from UN welfare.

that's right

the video.. - what i was intimating is that if you're going to post a video to make a point at least make it understandable.. for all i know given the report was in french was that the blue van was an ambulance and he backed up too fast :)

Defense does not include retaliatory strikes? Ok I think I get it now. You hit me. I am unable to prevent it. I am not allowed to hit back. That seems perfectly fair.

How does anyone on the Palestinian side have the gall to complain of the killing of civilians. Un-fucking-believeable.

nope you don't get it at all.. even though i explained it perfectly well a few dozen posts ago...

"does not include retaliation strikes" ?!?!?!!? so how should you call all the suicide bombers ? all those people who shoot innocent Israelis!?!?!?

what is the reason in bombing a bus full of children in the middle of Jerusalem ? what will come out of an act like that ?

this sort of act will only cause the Israelis to take more harmfull actions upon the palestinians!

this cycle of violence will not stop UNTILL the palestinians will stop raising their children to hate israel and encourage them that being a suicide bomber is the best thing that could happen to him (or her as we've seen in the last week)

the palestinians are also getting funds from terror supporting countries (hmm... the name Iran comes to mind...) who declare that they will support the family's of every man/woman/child/whoever "gives" his life to for the Jihad against Israel (and the western world for that matter...)

:eyecrazy

in case you didn't bother reading anything i've said before you've jumped in.. i've said i agree with israel taking out the bombers and terrorists.. i don't agree with retalitory airstrikes/bombing/whatever that are clumsy and manage to kill FAR TOO MANY civilians..

fucking ditto to you too tprk - i've already said the palistinian supprt for suicide bombers is fucked up.. fuck... how many times do i have to say that i don't agree with any of the killing? how many times do i have to say that because i don't agree with israeli actions it doesn't automatically make me a supporter of what palestinians do? what the pointof even posting if i have to keep on repeating myself?

reffering to the pictures of children with guns: As i can recall quitte a few americans too teach their children at young age how to work with guns (especially the southern states).

The whole problem of this palestinian/israel situation is as follows:

An independant Palestinian organisation attacks an israeli settlement or places a bomb (maybe one of the 40 active palestininian organisations) They kill people and the word 'palestinians' is used. Does that mean that every single palestine person was behind those attacks and was in favor of them? NO! Just a very small percentage of the population who happens to be Palestine.

What you then get is israel retaliating (as usual ). Again creating anger and hate among the palestinian people who perhaps where not in favor of terrorism at all! And you get another bomb placing etc.etc.etc.

My frustration concerning Israeli politics is that israel has ONE government/organisation and ONE Leader. If the leader says 'no attack' there will be no attack. On the palestinian side it's completely different you have 40 different organisations (some terrorist some peacefull) and 40 different leader. Although arafat is seen as the main leader he is NOT! He only controls his own organisation PLO. Hamas and Jihad (one of the most powerfull and violent groups) will not listen to arafat in any way.

My point: Israel is the one who controls the situation. If israel decides one time not to retaliate the circle of violence is broken. The problem is the palestinians cannot make such a decision: arafat can say stop but that won't mean anything to the 39 other organisations. Israel should stop retaliating and start negotiating because that is the only and i mean really the ONLY solution to this problem ever. I am pretty sure that some day israel is not goonna be the strongest anymore and the'll be having a hard time surviving.

tprk i agree with most of your last post.. why do you think that i don't?

did i not say that attacking civilians isn't going to help palestinians? are you trying to help reach the 500 post mark sooner??? :)

sorry I didn't realize this was a private conversation. :fart

it will take a little longer than that for the circle of violence to be broken.. children of both sides have to forget about their dead parents and siblings... it would REALLY have to be anextended period of absolute peace.. we're talking 60-80 years...

heheheh then don't attribute statements to me that are diametrically opposed to the ones i've stated mere inches away :)

the Israeli airstrike usually are taken against military targets (or terrorsits targets).

the Palestinians put their children and women in the line of fire... they take them to demonstrations (in which many of the participants are carrying weapons), the women and children are not only walking with the mob they carry weapons too...

AND in most cases Israel notifies the PA that it's about to strike a certain target (or targets) in advance (so they could evacuate the building)

the reason for so many dead in the Palestinian side is the fact that a large portion of the palestinian people is member of the terror supporting groups (such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatach and many many more).

these terrorists are working day and night, 24/7, in order to arm the Israelis (in Israelis i mean Israeli Citizens and Soldiers). that is why the Israelis are working also day and night, 24/7, in order to get to these people (i think that Intellegence wise the israelis will rather take them alive... but these people are usualy "armed an dangerous")

Sorry, but that doesn't hold water. He is the leader of the Palestinian Authority. He is given money and weapons and CIA training etc. to do just that, lead and control the palestinian population. This is why he has been the one with whom the Isrealis negotiate. This is why he comes to the white house to speak with the President and so on. But you seem to fault the Israelis with the fact that the Palestinians have no adequate leadership. You suggest they negotiate? They have done almost nothing but negotiate. Heard of Oslo? Arafat broke every one of those promises. Heard of Camp David? Arafat refused to accept peace. It is not the Israelis that are unwilling to negotiate. Is either that the Palestinians are unwilling or their leader is.

do i have to name the militant jewish organisations?
whose prime minister was murdered by one of it's own for wanting peace?

one side is as bad as the other...

and im a woman trapped inside a man's body... :)

No!!! You have to name the Baldwin brothers.