I was talking about http://lolitasex.com - check out their metas.

I won't even address your sarcastic comments.

Forest,
leave KK alone,
you'll find better time, emergency rooms are nasty things,
and no piss on the boards is worth real life problems,
holding horses at the right time doesn't make you weak, but rather wise, and KK is NOT equal CCBill,
don't make it personal.

Isn't processing for "questionable" sites damaging for a processor's reputation? Or they just don't care?

And what about VISA'S new regulations to no longer allow sites with certain words in the domain name to accept VISA?

Oh well it looks like a mess once again.

Who is going to clean up this billion dollar industry?

Good question...
when one gets FTC/DOJ subpoena,
it's too late!

He did not go to jail for putting "preteen" in his metatags. That was for running a child porn site. The site in question shows models I know are over 18, hell one of them is 24 right now. He sells it as a preteen site but they are not underage from what I see on his tours. Its walking a fine line... true.

You also may want to consider that CCBill is right now overloaded with work thanks to Ibill and their problems. It is very possible that Ron is too busy to call you and forgot. Its really not good business to air that laundry here. You have been in business long enough to know better. Im pretty sure Kim has made mention of this post to him and I wouldnt wait too long for that call back.

Sleepy,
I don't know many people around here, so..

do you work for CCBill?

no puns intended.

She may indeed be 24, but I know for fact some of those girls on that tour are under 18.

We need 12 clicks

serge

I havent attacked KK personally anywhere
she is the ONLY representaion I know on the boards for CCbill so I direct my comments there

She attacks ME with personal comments and i laugh them off...

He is busy bashing me on netpond

They try to get me on all fronts

:1orglaugh

No I dont, but I do know every person that works there. I just cant see them being held responsible for a metatag. What are they going to do at worst ? They cant turn his server off, or shut his site down. All they can do is turn his rebills off and then what ? They get nailed with chargebacks and open themself up for a lawsuite with the owner. If the guy has a license for the models but uses shady sales methods what can they legally do ? If shady sales methods were cause for shutting a site down half you fuckers would be out of business.


Here are some REAL child porn sites
Please don't post urls like that. Its funny because in 7 fucking years nobody says a word about them billing for REAL CP sites but you all have time to bitch at ccbill for processing fake ones. In 5 minutes I can go to alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female and find 20 REAL CP sites but they dont matter cause they dont give you an excuse to shit on Kim and CCBill.

Please don't post URL's to sites like that.

oh really, do you really believe that CCBill will be sued fro enforcing their own TOS???

are you nuts????

you either more naive than my ass hairs or trying pulling the wool over the eyes without even giving it a thought first!

shame, shame...

When all else fails just sling some shit - eh Serge ?
Between the combination of this slow board and your wit Im taking the rest of the day off. I'm too busy to wait for either.

My real point was that Billcards processes for real CP sites but they are never attacked like CCBill. They process for sites that have photos of 5 year old kids. But, attacking them doesnt aid your personal agenda so just turn a blind eye.

cya tomorrow morning all

It's fun watching the CEO's come out to play here on GFY and bicker like high school girls. Well, at least everyone agrees that there's a problem and it seems that we all genuinely want to do something about it. It's our lack of consensus on actions and organizational skills that need improving.

*******READ ME****** If anyone thinks our industry would benefit from another coalition against CP, I'll donate and/or co-develop PORNUNION.COM as a place that people can get information and report offending sites.

And, in a proactive manner we could agree to a set of standards that we feel reflects common ground when it comes to ethics instead of allowing entities to always walk the thin line of what's generally considered legal? C'mon, we can all agree that metas that look like "pre teen lolitas young high school girls fucking ages 12-14' is goddamned wrong.

I don't know if we all need more than the ASACP, etc but how about launching an entity that hosts and sponsors join in an effort to guarantee the blacklisting of marketers that promote CP? Sure, there's always going to be another program they could promote or host they could use... but why not just make it that much harder for the fuckers?

Somehow I'm thinking this message won't even be read.

Brad

what personal Agenda?????

what are you talking about?????????

I have no PERSONAL beefs with CCBill,
I have no PERSONAL or business relations with CCBill
(EVER!) and I do not recall me being at odds with any of their employees, personal or otherwise.

You sure you don't have fever?

Hey fantasyman

Today I joined your email program wet4free.com and was socked to find links to beastality websites and wesbite using the word young in the domain name that no differnt that using the word lolita.

You should worrie about yourself and leave others alone.

OK, my Serge induced brain tumor is subsiding now so I'll finish off this post.

We may bicker but I have alot of respect for Serge and FM. These men both know their business very well. Regardless of your personal opinion I give credit to them both.

For that same reason it really bothers me to see FM blasting Ron for not calling him back, on a public board. For that same reason it also bothers me to see Serge blasting CCBill. Both these men know and understand due process.

None of you took the time to try and join http://LOLITA-AGE.COM
did you ? You know the signup form doesnt work... and thats all CCbill can do. Why do you just keep beating a dead horse.

No big deal, this industry is built on standing inside of glass houses and hurling large stones.

I retract that statement

Wait, i retract my retraction.

They're talking about http://lolitasex.com/ now. :)

The site with meta tags showing the site is specifically catering to pedophiles looking for KP. The site that CCBill has known about for months and refuses to do anything about.

That guys site looks like legal 18+ year olds being pawned off as preteens. If that guy is doing 1/2 million per month but breaking their TOS by using "preteen" in his metatags they are going to ask him to change his tags. No way will they pull the rug out from under him w/out giving him the chance to clean his act up. The first thing they are going to do is ask for proof of age and if he has it - legally he isnt breaking any laws. The whole process takes time and extensive documentation of every step made. These things dont happen overnight. If his site is legal ccbill cant comment on that either way. KimmyKim cant tell you if that site is legal or not. If its still there in 6 months I would assume they saw proper paperwork before slaying ccbill publicy.

WTF

how many MORE do u have on your rolls CCbill

Asthma,

Whats wrong with the word "young?"

Id say the "teenagepink" site in your sig says a little more than something like "youngsluts" wouldn't you.

Ron - I live in Southern Cal and know many people that have worked for your companies and friends. (Holio, Blow, and CE and Babenet, VCA) seems not many know exactly who started what and how *this* all started,...

So I guess the question still goes avoided.

I was hoping there would be some interest in my earlier post about PornUnion but I guess not! :(

Brad

Brad

I'd be willing to help as much as I could, and glady be a part of it. I think I have seen one or 2 around, but I think they were more of an attraction to get webmasters to come there to report sites, but it was a gimmick to get them to join programs :(

<a href="mailto:[email protected]">Email Me.</a>:(

Hey Fletch

Glad to hear you're interested! The guy from interclimax seems to be too. Maybe some other people will pop in here with interest and we can start a new thread to hash it out. I'd like to have some participation by a few large programs, that'd make for a great start. My idea would be everything pro-bono... You're right, some of those other ones are just promoting affiliate programs or charging for advertising. I like the idea of a completely free PornUnion :)

Brad

Its been tried and discussed many times.

It will fail. Like all the other attempts.

Very true Labret although the altruistic part of me thinks that if it's able to make a little bit of a difference then it might be worth it.

B

Ill join if I can be the President.

hehehe

I don't suppose you'd settle for Director of.... something :) lol

Brad

Its not hard to find questionable sites using CCBILL

This one uses the full set of bad words in tags

http://teenporno.ws/main.html


And they get worse :(

Wow man, those pics are most likely legal but still, wow, thats over the line I feel... saying you have teen girls 18+ is cool, but they are OBVIOUSLY hinting to these girls being under 18... and although it goes against the CC TOS, these fucks will continue to make $. Which is why CC wouldnt do anything. Lolita=$

No lolita=pride.

http://teenporno.ws
Evidence Eliminator resellers too.. will they close their account ???

Well, I see this thread is still going on.

I'm going to make a couple of statements here and then I'm pretty much done posting to it, since it just keeps going in circles with the guy that I heard doesn't work at Interclimax stirring the pot for no reason other than he likes to read his typos.

Out TOS prohibits anyone under 18 being naked on a website that we process for. We screen the tours and member areas before we activate accounts. We do not check every site we process to see if they have made integral changes to their site, unless someone brings it to our attention.

We deal with images in our TOS. Nothing in our TOS deals with words, other than the domain name restrictions we have in place now. Nor do I personally think that we should be the word police. If that were the case, I'd wager every story site would have to go for starters.

What you personally may feel to be over the line, may or may not be what I personally feel to be over the line. This is not the issue here. Our TOS goes well beyond the law, you can be assured of that. Customs periodically is in our office and any sites we get complaints about are checked for legality first, no matter our TOS and potential violations with it.

Had idiotboy or anyone else actually attempted to join the site he so adamantly claimed we process, then it would have been plain as the nose on your face that we don't process for that site, at the beginning of this thread. The initial join page is not on CCBill servers and we therefore have no control over what a site puts up or takes down.

Last but not least. It is not, and has never been, our policy to announce changes publicly. There are companies that issue press releases or post every time someone goes to the bathroom apparently, but we are not one of them. Our relationship with our clients remains between us and our clients, it is not a matter for the entire adult webmaster 'community' to share.

Any other questions, I believe you can find my email.

Forest: Go rip off some webmasters or something.

Looks like they fixed it now.

[Labret]:

I'm getting tired of these kinda people :-)

There is *always* a reason and some "cover" for some other shit.

We got others like pedo sex-ed purporting some "indignation" over a pedo site.. classic!

Instead of posting this bullshit here, pass it on to CCBill and let them handle it - it's their business and they will pull the plug if it is "unacceptable".

Sheesh... GFY drama queens :-)