this sounds like the prevailing theory so far i think :)

He admits to making the payment. He claims he did not recognize the name on the charge so he charged back. He admits to all this, but refuses to pay me the $100 he charged back plus the $45 fine My Virtual Card put on me for this. He says because his credit card statement said Ecopay (MVC) instead of Chokertraffic that it is all my fault and I am shit out of luck.

As far as other sponsors taking someones money that stole from someone else? If you bought traffic from IE Ravo sent it to me to get paid for it, then charge back on Ravo then HELL yes I will take your earnings on my end and give them to Ravo. I have done this more than once. I will not allow anyone to use me to wash stolen money. Fuck that.

Thanks, and I always refund unspent money with no questions asked. If you don't like my product I will refund what is left. Just don't wait until every hit is delivered then want a refund, it does not work that way. LOL

i hope you nail this guy to the wall but what shap did was wrong.

does not matter to me i dont send him or you traffic i only buy from you once in awile so it does not concern me too much.

hahahahha that would be great

Now we know all that . but when this thread started we didnt know that yet , i'm just saying we should be carefull we have all the info first before blackballing people :)

Don't get me wrong i would feel the same way ( although there would be more sharp objects involved :) )

Shap says he didnt send the traffic to him though ( i think ? ) , i have no problem if someone charged back for an advertising campaign and wanting the money back from the company he was promoting , and i dont even have a problem with them directly paying you his money . I just have a problem with everyone else taking/seizing this guys money without first knowing the details.. In all fairness it looks like the guy was just an amateur who didnt spend his money wisely , and got pissed off , stupid thing to do , but doesnt look like he is a career fraudster either, he just doesnt understand that what he did was fraud. As mentioned i think first and foremost you should have him charged criminally , because its fraud. Then work out restitution after :) Part of his sentance may be to pay you back the money he charged back , then you will have his money and shap's money :)

Anyways , good to hear there is some resolution anyways :)

Hi Sandman. Here's the situation.

#1 this guy signed up and left out important parts of his Twistyscash application. IE HIS FIRST NAME.

#2 it appears this guy may have tried to commit fraud against another company. I'm not sure if you have seen the recent FTC reports if not here is the situation. The FTC has established that Affiliate program owners are as GUILTY as the affiliate for the crimes an affiliate commits regarding the traffic sent to their program. That being said any person that commits fraud is a liability to TwistysCash and all of our affiliates.

If he did commit fraud against choker what is there to say he won't fraud us. Running a $100/signup promo I have to be careful of this. That is one of the downsides of running HUGE payout promos, you attract the hit and run fraud webmasters. Controlling fraud is the key to being able to paying our hard working honest affiliates the money they deserve.

On my end I've been involved in this resolution from the beginning. As the owner of TwistysCash I feel it is my responsibility to TwistysCash affiliates to find out if this guy is a fraud or not. If he is a fraud I have to get rid of him and his traffic from my program. If he isn't then everybody goes home happy.

His account has been put on hold. Payments are being witheld. Once we feel confident that this person has not sent fraudulent traffic to TwistysCash everything will be set back to normal. I've emailed him at least a dozen times in the past few days. He is aware of this and understands the importance of it.

Now if I'm out of line for doing that? I guess that's too bad on me. That's the way we are running things. I do not support scammers.

Btw i realise from my original post it may seem like i cancelled him and was throwing his money around. That is the furtherest thing from the truth. As soon as I saw this post the first thing I did was email him. I've been in contact with him and Choker for the past 36 hours working to get this resolved. His account is on hold as our his funds. I would never ever cancel an affiliate's account based on what someone else said. I would however terminate an account for life of a known scammer.

all you needed to say was the #1 if he fucked up with personal info can him everything else in irrlevant to me at least. :)

Bingo. He is a newbie. Got in over his head. Thought the adult industry was easy money and found out the expensive way that it isn't.

My post may have been big tough and irrational the truth is it isn't how things went down. I give people the benefit of the doubt and I research a situation. This guy has made me less than $75 and I've spent waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on this. It would have been easier to pay him and turn a blind eye. I just care too much to let little things like this slide.

My wife will be the first to tell you I'm TERRIBLE at communicating LOL. My initial post should have read "Hey Choker, I'm going to email this guy and see what's up. Hopefully we'll get this all worked out. In the meantime I've put his account on hold."

Bump for an interesting thread, any more news?

It might be morally right, but I don't see how it's legally right. Party A claims Party B owes them money, so Party C just pays party A on behalf of Party B without permission or even proof. That can't be legal.

well, charging back after recieving merchandize is not "legal" either and neither is trying to scam a sponsor :( You don't know if party A showed proof to party C.. even after party C told you that he's been communicating with party A closely you are still assuming no proof was shown to Party C by party A. So kindly take the ABC and shove it man! :winkwink:

If you read my later replies you'll see what actually happened.

Photo Greg said what a lowlife this guy is.


and he said to say hi to you choker, he's sipping pina colada's on the beach

Many of my prior correspondances in reference to Shap has proven hime to be a "pecker head moron bitch boy" ... I have repeately tried to ICQ him with no reply and no email responses either. So if anyone deals with him look out you will be the next dissapointed soul. This guy needs to be publically humiliated in the worst way.

You know you've never emailed or icqed me. Shap at twistys.com email me right now and let me know what caused your hard on for me.

Chris what's your beef with me? You are fris' brother right? Why are you so pissed at me?

The funny thing is back in January I offered you $10,000 and you turned it down and ignored the request because you had been posting lies. Everybody knows I'm a good guy and I keep my word. Email me and let's make this right. You know for a fact that I emailed and icqed you yesterday without a reply from you. Besides closing down the BBL board what else did i do that has upset you like this?

101.....

Seems like you always have a million excuses rather than apologizing and and trying to fix your direct or indirect scamming affiliations ... Personally I think you are a scammer and scumbag and have been caught out so many times yet every time you've got another fanciful excuse ...

Care to name all these scams i pull?

page 3 drama in full effect

Not really. It's one guy who is intent on hijacking every thread of mine. He's upset about something but won't say what. I've emailed and icqed. No reply. He'll just keep watching threads with me or Steve LS in them and he goes in and bashes us.

you said you will visit us and then told us your business is doing too good so that you don't have time... :disgust :winkwink:

shap my brother would never talk down to you. CHRIS is not related to me in any sense, CHRIS = JUPZCHRIS.

my brother is aj (NAUGHTYINC) i have nothing to do with this guy.

my brother or me would never insult you, i enjoy my thumbzilla listings way too much :)

someone sent me this thread. anyways back to work.

Thanks Fris. I caught people mixed up. I thought I remembered hearing that your bro was with NaughtyJenn. This Chris guy is in Ontario as well i think.

Btw i just emailed you. :thumbsup

As clearly posted in this thread.. you owe many outragous sums of money yet refuse to accept responsibility ... Bethany must be proud of her man the scammer ...

http://good bye
http://your are done

Interesting. I guess i misread this thread. I haven't seen one post regarding money we owe. Please enlighten me. Who do I owe money to and for how much? You are spreading the same lies you spread last year. Like i've been saying. If you have something to say email me or icq me.

Shap, you are 100% chedder in my book. Kudos to you for doing something about a fucktard affiliate!

Choker, sorry to hear this shit is happening... Would be nice if one of the merchants out there would take into consideration what is going on and fix the fucking problem...

So if you're speeding in your car, It's okay for me to side swipe you? I mean, you're breaking the law so that waives all protection afforded to you under the law? Interesting concept. I'm game but I suspect society won't run well like this.
So sponsors are going to be the "guards" of the adult industry now? They're going to protect everyone else? I guess that sounds okay, only who will guard the guards?

It's a little bit like you owing the power company money, so they just go to your boss and he gives them a part of your pay check. There's a system in place to handle things like that. It's called the Legal System and as far as I remember it isn't administrated by Shap. :2 cents:

Never claimed to be. All i do is run my program. If you read my posts on this page you'll see I'm just looking out for my program. If someone is sending me fraudulent traffic I have to do something about it.

I take no offense to you terming someone you believe in being fradulent. I take a great offense in Drinking Hard suggesting sponsors should just turn over money in one person's account to another person without any due process (read leave it to the legal system).

I would actually think Shap was doing the RIGHT THING if he turned the money over to Choker... Most sponsors just keep it.

insanemidget is with naughtyjenn, and they just had a baby ;)

congrats to them :)

Choker can you please drop me an email at erwin at imco.nl ? I tried to email you about our account but I have a problem reaching you....

Thnx

So if I'm speeding in my car you think cop will be able to write me a ticket without speeding himself or is he gonna say hey I can't write you a ticket cos Warchild said if I try to I'll be breaking the law myself :helpme

if you wanna compare apples to oranges now take a semi driver, if someone calls the 1-800 number written at the back of the truck (how is my driving? 1-800-) to report a driver for dangerously side-swapping some car driver, that driver gets fired or suspended (I know cos happened to a driver of a company i worked at once) just cos someone reported him even thou his superviser himself didn't see it happening.. can't be legal can it? well it can and it did.

Man! You are just comparing apples to oranges to prove your point.. ain't working i tell you :winkwink:

Frankly I don't think you understand my point. You also seem to be a little bit retarded. Please shoot yourself.