no icq, no aim, no fax, nothing but email and phone . .

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Do what I do when someone really pisses me off.
go to the newsgroups, post his phone number with a sexy girls name and say he is an escort.

[QUOTE=Chokerhis cell phone number is real, I just called it no answer[/QUOTE]

heh heh heh lol lol rofl rofl roflmao :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

i'm going to be busy tonight :1orglaugh

choker, i'm looking for traffic as well. i'll be on ICQ in a few hours

its been a few years since I done this (the person really deserved it) but I tell you what, it really works...think of the millions of people who use the news groups :)
they will have to throw away the phone to stop it from ringing

webmasters that charge back in the industry should be shot >:\

i wouldnt even call them webmasters.. maybe scammers is more accurate

:mad: . .

50 :anon . .

Hey Choker. By the way that domain is our hosted gallery. I'm going to look into this right away and I'll tell you what the situation is.

HI everyone. Yesterday was a travel day.

I'm back now.

I've terminated his affiliate id. We owed him $64.97. He never hit his minimum. I'd be more than happy to send this to you Choker. Just let me know how :winkwink:

I just left Windermere....

Why arnt we Orlando folk having a get together dinner?

There ya go.... Conversion weren't what he expected!!!

I like the concept of "Money Back Guarantee" on buying traffic.

Wonder how many webmasters buy traffic for FHGs? Prolly many???? I have never tried it. Am I missing something here?

He actually sent very little traffic to us. He converted at 1:256. I don't think all the choker traffic he bought was sent to us.

That is EXACTLY how a situation should be handled like this. Kudos to Shap! :)

DH

Class act baby :thumbsup

Guess I need to reread choker's post. Thought it went to you?? Anyway 1:256 is good. Conversions on tour I assume?

Thats the way!

When we had that stolen credit card ring buying passes (all with MVC), we contacted all the prorgrams and hosts..we were basically told to fuck off. Affilate accounts are still open, sites are still loading and proxy IP's are still active. Fucking losers.

Anyway, Choker. The traffic was prolly bought with a stollen card and the charge back was prolly made when the owner of the card saw the purchases.


All fraud purchases were coming from the proxies below.

80.77.80.0 to 80.77.89.255

block those IP by adding this to your htaccess

<Limit GET HEAD POST>
order allow,deny
deny from 80.77.80.0-80.77.89.255
allow from all
</LIMIT>

thx,
Ray

You are a class act sir. Give the money to the red cross or something. kudos

Choker, I was just reading your board before and remembered seeing this post:

http://chickenboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=2846

Maybe it's the same guy? Looks like wasn't 100% sure if those charges were from you, perhaps if you didn't respond he just decided to be done with it and contest it...

LOL, don't get me started about MVC. Using them was the biggest mistake I have made for years. I am out thousands and thousands and it all could have been prevented very easily.

Nope not the same guy.

Thanks :thumbsup

He replied to my email with a long reply that they didn't recognize the charge and disputed it. But they are trying to make it right. I have no idea if he is BSing or not. He didn't know how to contact you so I told him to hit you up on your board. I let him know that his twistyscash account and money earned is on hold until this is settled. If you guys settle this I'll re-activate him. If not too bad for him.

When I replied the first time my email went thru, then the second one it bounced (he's on a yahoo email). Hopefully this will be all settled for you. :thumbsup

I am getting nothing but excuses from him. Granted My Virtual Card is total shit, they do not even bother disputing when someone charges back, hell they even refund on thier end without checking with the merchent, and until recently would not even advise the merchent when a refund occured.

Anyway, he is refusing to pay the $45 chargeback fee, saying it is my fault his credit card statement said ecopay instead of chokertraffic. He claims he resent the $100 to my account but that has not happened, and as far as I can tell MVC does not re apply a charge that was charged back anyway.

Yup post in craigs list lol

When someone use MVC it tells him that the charge will say it's from ecopay. If he didn't read that it's his fucking problem not yours. Yes, MVC sucks in a way that when you have several rebilling accounts with them you can't really tell what is what but you sure don't just charge them back without knowing what or who you are charging back. Once an amount is charged back it's not reversed upon your request either, you'll have to charge your card over again but the prob is MVC won't accept that card anymore so maybe thru another processor.

Also now, when you call your CC issuing bank to chargeback an amount they will gladly provide you with the number of the merchant charged your card first and advice you to call them and all you gotta do is call that number and find out why they charged your card. if you don't, you actually know very well what you are doing specially when you also have to go thru the trouble of signing and notarizing an affidavit sent by your bank and send it back to your bank. Oh well, you'd done all that but now when you are exposed on a wm board you try to find an excuse to cover your ass. hey choker, can I do the same and get away? j/k.

Shap, that 65 bucks is from intial sales prolly? if so, it may grow to $145 thru rebills? Please give the money to choker or a charity when it does unless ofcourse he agrees to pay choker $145 back :2 cents:

Exactly. The guy is quite funny actually, it's one excuse after another. Should I post our conversation logs?

Still no payment from this guy Shap, he went from the denial stage to the blaming it on My virtual card to it's illegal for me to report him for credit card fraud stages. I do believe he carelessly charged this back not knowing what it was, even though it was explained to him three times during the payment process that Ecopay is what would be on the charge. That's all fine and dandy. Instead of just saying "I'm sorry, here is the $100 and the $45 you got fined", he argues and argues and argues about it. I'm about ready to call the Sherrifs office and report this as fraud. Most likely they will arrest him since he is in the same county. The others I have reported before were out of state and the depties had to coordinate with other police. In this case the guy lives in the same county as me so I think they will arrest him. This is a shame.

Fraud sucks but unfortunately programs can't get involved in a matter between an affiliate and his traffic sources, because it is usually a case of "he said she said". If Walmart bought from a supplier and then the manufacturer complained to Walmart that the supplier never paid, what would Walmart do about it? Nothing.

Your best course of action is to report fraudsters on the boards and of course don't sell to them again. I also suggest requiring your clients to sign a CC form and fax/email it back to you.


B

Exactly which part of your TOS did he break ?

Its shady to take someone's $$$ like this.

Makes me think twice about sending traffic to your program a program owner should never get into he said she said crap.

Choker can call the cop's sue him or whatever he need to do to get his $$$ this is not something shap should be involved in.

Following this logic what you are saying is that a program owner should not care if the traffic sent by the affiliate was fraudulently obtained? So it is not the program owners concern how the affiliate got the traffic? If so then a program owner can't can a affiliate for spamming either. As far as your wallmart example, well you are comparing apples to oranges. If the supplier charged back on the manufacturerer then yeah Walmart would be a accesory to a felony if they did nothing. Once you charge back on a purchase that you recieved you are committing credit card fraud and theft. Walmart is not about to sell stolen property. Go buy a car on a credit card, charge it back and see how fast you get arrested for theft.

god, I never knew that SmokeyTheBear is posting such intelligent comments :thumbsup, always though he's just hacking the forum! ;)

(hopefully I didn't mix it up with another bear...) :thumbsup

if an affiliate has bought traffic by fraudulant means he's simply a fraud and sooner or later he will defraud the sponsor he's pushing too.. just a matter of time so canning the affiliate will be cutting an unecessary risk. if people in this industry don't stand up for eachother they will only be encouraging the bad apples to stink up the entire basket :2 cents:

Thanks :winkwink: i try :)

Seems like my intuition was right also :) ( well at least partly right anyways )

I have bought from you several times, and never has an probelms with the traffic, and it is pretty good traffic. So I guess that he just wanted to be a cheap ass.

This may be true , but its important to know all the details first..

Like i said, if this guy had his card hacked and didn't recognize the charge and charged back, is it fair that several other sponsors simply "take" his money ?

Its important for the industry to share information on cheaters/fraudsters , but its equally important to make sure you have all the information first.