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DeanCapture · 09-25-2005, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

What a dick...
Man alive, how did you become such the cock sucker?
Shit going to your head now? You must be on some serious drugs if ya think Red needs anything from you.

Red Ezra · 09-25-2005, 12:56 AM

I don't take myself too seriously - here's a free pic of a nice ass - your welcome.

DeanCapture · 09-25-2005, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

What a dick...
Man alive, how did you become such the cock sucker?
Shit going to your head now? You must be on some serious drugs if ya think Red needs anything from you.

Red is the one asking me questions about photography....not the other way around. I am always willing to help someone - and I do it all the time. I spent some time tonight critiquing someones work giving them advice on lighting and shit because they asked me to. I would never offer advice to someone who didn't ask for it. But I always try to help anybody who needs it. All Red had to do was contact me via my site as I asked him to and I would have been happy to answer any questions he may have....as I do everyone.

Alien - I make frequent trips to LA (I'm in LA right now) and I'd love to meet up with you sometime and see for myself what your fucking problem is. You are seriously one of the biggest dicks I've ever seen on this board and I'm just wondering if that's just your board personality or if that's how you really are in person. You can call me a cocksucker on this board but would you call me that to my face? Contact me via my website and let's arrange to meet and see.

Paul Markham · 09-25-2005, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LexiLexxx

I have a canon digital rebel too, I shoot in raw form, but the camera is slow.
I would like to snap, snap, my pic. and it runs so slow...tells me it's busy.

What can I do? Anyone know?

Thanks
~LL

The camera is slow because it's not built to do that type of work, upgrade to a Nikon D2X and you will have no problems. Or go to shooting Jpegs, also RAW will eat up disk space.

Paul Markham · 09-25-2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

Wow! Nice offer. I've been a videographer for 8 years. Got that down pat. Just bought me a Nikon D70, but I'm so lost I wouldn't even know where to start with questions.

Here's one - I've got my hot lights (3200°) that I use for video. I also have the SB800 flash for the Nikon. I've been trying to mix them with little luck. I've been using the tungsen gel on the flash, and setting my white balance that way too. Shooting in Raw so I can fuck with the white balance. I want to shoot as automatic as possible (I don't need my stuff to look anything as good as your stuff does).... Videos are what keep my members, so I would really like to stay away from strobes and stuff. Just want acceptable stills. Soon I'm going to be buying florecents for my video work which is the same temp as the flash, and outside, so I'm hoping that my problems will be solved with them (will they?), but untill then Should I just turn off my hot lights, and use a few tourch lights, and the flash on auto? Oh, and I've been playing with different diffusers, and the white eye card thing. UGH!

Btw - I have a Nikon D70 book, and a DVD coming in the mail, as I'm a total noob.

Stop shooting stills and videos as if they are the same thing.

Buy a single strobe flash light, stand and umbrella. This will give you an amateur look to the pictures.

Paul Markham · 09-25-2005, 01:10 AM

I posted this a couple of days ago on another board. It's a medium negative guide to what can go wrong on a shoot. Add to it IDs, model releases and under age models.

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Got accused recently of trying to put people off shooting content, when all I was doing was pointing out the problems that can occur. So on the bases of ?If shit can happen I want to know before hand? here's a starters guide to shooting content.

What you need, what can go wrong and how you prepare or avoid the problems. I've listed them in order of importance and difficulty.

EQUIPMENT.
This is bar far the easiest part, digital equipment is easy to use, and they come with great manuals. Good stills camera, video camera, lights for both and a flash head will not cost a fortune. I would also advise using an external mike, nothing is more off putting than hearing every click on the camera and the camera mans breathing.

If you buy to cheap you risk looking a loser in front of the model, the kit will be slow, limited in what it does and you will spend more time correcting images than with good kit. Strobe lights are basically an electrical charge going through a tube of gas, buy cheap and they explode, burn out, take a long time to recharge and don't always give a 1005 accurate strength flash. Plan to use flash on camera, you will look less then professional waiting 5 seconds while the flash recharges, also flash on camera is never accurate, you will spend a lot of time correcting the images.

Whole package should start around $4,000.

Add to this some money for props and clothing.

LEARNING
Learning how to use the kit. Easy once you bought it. Takes a few weeks with the manuals and a couple of good books.

LOCATIONS.
Simply start out in your home, depending on the amount you shoot it will take a few weeks or months before you need to get down to IKEA and paint the walls a different colour. Surfers have a flood of sites shot in the same room, same way, same style and same action. Mix it up.

Hotel rooms are good, just be discreet.

PORNO
Learning the positions and porn element. Relatively easy, go out and buy good successful magazines or videos and learn what they are doing. Learn it until you can do it in your sleep. Models need directions, they rarely have a clue of how they want to be shot with a dildo up their bum. LOL

You need to be in charge and take the lead, models leading a shoot can lead to trouble and crap work. All workers respect a boss who knows what he's doing. It will also mean you don't have or develop a style of your own.

ORGANISING A SHOOT
Easy you just need to plan what you will do, how and why it needs to be done this way. Time is money, make it efficient and bored people make bad models.

MODELS.
Getting people to phone you from an ad is easy, getting them to come to a casting requires phone skills. Know exactly what you will say in the advert and on the phone. Expect a 50% drop out rate from phone calls to castings. When they do turn up know exactly what you will tell them, best to hide nothing, and have answers for any questions that pop up.

A casting is where you make the first impressions on a model, make it a good one. Also think about what you require of a model and make sure those you accept are right. Not a time to be taking anyone who will drop their knickers. Picking the right models just takes time, tuning a wrong person into a model takes skills and experience.

The number of people you can find to pose is down to your skills and the area you're in.

Learn how to deal with pimping boyfriends, the protective ones are easy to deal with.

SHOOTING
Here is where the preparation pays off, if you planned and learnt properly you will look good in front of the models, if you did not they will start to wonder if you are doing this to see them naked, a loser or just inept.

Getting models to work is easy. Problem is you are not likely to be working with models, plan that the most shoots a person will do is 4-5 before they come to you. Some will be brand new and clueless. Few of them give a monkeys toss if you make a profit.

Your relationship with the person you're shooting is now very important. If they think you're wonderful expect a good time, if they think you're a loser expect a bad time and content.

Getting someone who has no intentions of fucking anyone, in fact they don't want you withing 6 feet of them, to look like they will shag the world for a pizza is a skill that comes with time.

AGENTS
They are dealing with many big shooters, paying top dollar, back handers and providing a lot of work. They also have a negative view of newbies, they are on guard for perverts and know the failure rate of newbies is high. Expect them to send you models after everyone else has shot them. They will also load the price and their commission.

Expect them to not send the best they have.

VARIETY.
Biggest problem and combines many other things. Getting a girl a week worth shooting is very hard, aim at one a fortnight. This person will be a 6 out of 10, sometimes an 8 will turn up. Look at our site to see how many 10s we shoot. Then you have locations, a different girl on the same sofa soon gets boring to the viewer, do it to often and sales will suffer.

We have all the contacts with agents, spend a lot on advertising and models bring friends. Doubt if we shoot 50 reasonable girls a year. Had one new stunner this year and her boyfriend is a dick head. As a newbie shooter you will get less out of the girl so you will not be making her look better and appear sexier.

STYLE
This is what separates you from the rest. In the beginning you will look like most other newbie shooters, can't be helped but that's the way it is. In 6 months you will have mastered a technique that will allow you to develop a style that puts you apart from the competition. Work hard at it.

OUTPUT.
Unless you shoot crap as if porn is a race reckon on 4 sets 3 videos a day. Reckon on most models being worth 2 shoots. Getting 24 models a year, which I think is high, means 192 sets and 144 videos a year. Or 336 pieces a year, or just under one a day. This will take a day a week preparation and a day a week editing/correcting images if you shoot well. If you shoot badly look at 2 days.

We have a staff of four on the shooting team and an output of just over 500 sets and 200 videos.

Sorry if it was long but well worth reading. If you're in content production or thinking about it.

If you think I'm trying to deter you from shooting, think on. I would be better served in letting you find out the problems yourself and am only warning you of what to prepare for.

Long read but might save you a lot of headaches.

Paul Markham · 09-25-2005, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Ezra

I don't take myself too seriously - here's a free pic of a nice ass - your welcome.

Nothing wrong with that shot, except for the colour balance which is easy to fix before you shoot the set. Get a professional colour card, do some test shots, put them into your computer and look at the colur info in Photoshop.

This is not an amateur shot so that's not an excuse. She's a pro model and that's a pro pose.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-25-2005, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Red is the one asking me questions about photography....not the other way around. I am always willing to help someone - and I do it all the time. I spent some time tonight critiquing someones work giving them advice on lighting and shit because they asked me to. I would never offer advice to someone who didn't ask for it. But I always try to help anybody who needs it. All Red had to do was contact me via my site as I asked him to and I would have been happy to answer any questions he may have....as I do everyone.

Alien - I make frequent trips to LA (I'm in LA right now) and I'd love to meet up with you sometime and see for myself what your fucking problem is. You are seriously one of the biggest dicks I've ever seen on this board and I'm just wondering if that's just your board personality or if that's how you really are in person. You can call me a cocksucker on this board but would you call me that to my face? Contact me via my website and let's arrange to meet and see.

I just see you jumping on other photographers as of late, it reminds me of one other individual I do not like on this board.
I can pull the threads if you like. Ya just been striking me as rather arrogant. I myself am arrogant, but hey to each his own I just call it like I see it.

Would I call you a cock sucker to you're face?
Of course, unless you catch my drift, which I doubt you will, you are to full of yourself as of late because ya got a few good deals. I can understand the excitement but slighting other photographers will come and bite you in the ass. Don't shoot the messenger, I am just telling ya how it is.

I am not really interested in meeting you though, when I want to meet you I will let you know and it will work no other way than that.
Thanks.

Paul Markham · 09-25-2005, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by quantum-x

a lot of photography IS self teaching, though

But books won't teach you how to take good photos, they'll teach you how the camera operate though - still important

Very very true.

What you need to learn for yourself is, an eye for a picture, how to direct a model and most important how to get the most out of them. Point and click is the easy bit.

Also for lighting there is no single answer, because the scenario you are shooting in will alter the lighting effects. Mastering that comes with experience.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-25-2005, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Nothing wrong with that shot, except for the colour balance which is easy to fix before you shoot the set. Get a professional colour card, do some test shots, put them into your computer and look at the colur info in Photoshop.

This is not an amateur shot so that's not an excuse. She's a pro model and that's a pro pose.

LOL, don't you realise that if the photo was white balanced it wouldnt hold the same story? The photo would be ruined if it were absolutly white balanced. Look at the wall, the floor...

The photo wouldnt look right. I think a pro would know that at first glance.
Guess I am ahead of many others already in making basic observations of a set and someone elses work.
But I guess this where creative difference come in and that whole thing I was talking about earlier...
There is nothing that can capture or immitate the talent of an individual.

Paul Markham · 09-25-2005, 01:25 AM

A problem with some people is they think what they do is a science or art, then think what others do is easy.

Like designers who would think my attempts to design are a joke and tell me so, then think I should be nice to a guy who picked up a camera last week and should not tell him he's wasting his time.

Few of us sell photography, we are mostly pornographers selling porn. Two totally different things.

Red Ezra · 09-25-2005, 01:25 AM

this thread is offically fucked now - I am abandoning it because it is becoming quite stressful - i try to change the world answering one question at a time and get fucking flamed, poked, and lectured - thanks - you can all go fuck yoruselves - I have had it with egos like yours - suck my balls - I'm going to sleep.

Paul Markham · 09-25-2005, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

LOL, don't you realise that if the photo was white balanced it wouldnt hold the same story? The photo would be ruined if it were absolutly white balanced. Look at the wall, the floor...

The photo wouldnt look right. I think a pro would know that at first glance.
Guess I am ahead of many others already in making basic observations of a set and someone elses work.
But I guess this where creative difference come in and that whole thing I was talking about earlier...
There is nothing that can capture or immitate the talent of an individual.

Very true and I hope to learn how to shoot properly one day. Thanks for the advice.

DeanCapture · 09-25-2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

I just see you jumping on other photographers as of late, it reminds me of one other individual I do not like on this board.
I can pull the threads if you like. Ya just been striking me as rather arrogant. I myself am arrogant, but hey to each his own I just call it like I see it.

Would I call you a cock sucker to you're face?
Of course, unless you catch my drift, which I doubt you will, you are to full of yourself as of late because ya got a few good deals. I can understand the excitement but slighting other photographers will come and bite you in the ass. Don't shoot the messenger, I am just telling ya how it is.

I am not really interested in meeting you though, when I want to meet you I will let you know and it will work no other way than that.
Thanks.

First, you know as well as I do that you wouldn't call me a cocksucker to my face. Not that I'm anything to be scared of....but I just know your kind. Your a big bad mother fucker as long as you have your keyboard to hide behind. But you just don't have the balls to backup your big mouth. Secondly, yea...show me all the posts where I "jumped on other photographers". The only photographer that I've had words with lately that I remember is Al for dropping the ball on getting Bobbi her pics. And lastly, I'll be in Calabasas for a few days so if you'd like to call me a cocksucker to my face....just let me know. I'll be happy to meet with you

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-25-2005, 02:07 AM

See there ya go...

"I couldn't imagine that pictures shot from that camera will look any better than
pics shot from a 35mm DSLR camera....especially for internet use.

One can up the standard of their still photography just by working hard and
striving for quality and excellence in their work. A 22 MegaPixel Hassy does
not guarantee great photography" . Dean Capture slighting at Matrix.

"Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton
photographer must learn manual white balance...

Hahahaah...I was just thinking the same thing " Dean Capture slighting Thinkx

Thats just Couple simple examples and you are rather "Spammie".

I can hunt for more easily...

Now regarding meeting you. Honestly I have no need for you, I am not interested. Yes of course behind the scenes I am highly cordial and social, infact even "Likable" and I would call you a cocksucker to you're face right now. You got alot of learning to do on the net. You really are not ready to meet me.

I only really meet folks I wish to and do not meet those I rather not. Its rather simple. Don't get upset about it. It is just the way it is.

SilverTab · 09-25-2005, 02:30 AM

mmmm this thread reminds me that I want to buy a new digital camera...
and i'm still not sure what to pick between the digital rebel and the D70....

but...it's not for shooting porn...it's just for personal uses...

amalekite · 09-25-2005, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LexiLexxx

I have a canon digital rebel too, I shoot in raw form, but the camera is slow.
I would like to snap, snap, my pic. and it runs so slow...tells me it's busy.

What can I do? Anyone know?

Thanks
~LL

Yeah that's a "workflow" problem. If you want to be an artist shoot landscapes in RAW mode. But if you shoot naked chick pics for porn hungry surfers fine jpg is more than enough quality and will eliminate your speed issues.

amalekite · 09-25-2005, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Juilan

I'd like to get more dynamic range out of the 20D & more detail in shadows areas any tips?

Yeah the entire canon line has really poor contrast range. It's not you.. it's the camera. Unfortunately, you're going to have to fill the shadows in considerably to get useable natural looking detail with the 20D.

I used to own a Kodak DCS 520 back in the day (98). IT was a clunky digital camera with small file sizes, ate batteries up, was slow. But it's contrast range was beautiful. You could really notice the difference when shooting with windowlight. It killed the new canons. The D30 was a good pro-sumer level camera... but ever since the 10D was introduced canon has been nothing but a disappointment

The autofocus on the Canon digitals is poor too. The mark series is just as bad as the rebel. Consistenly backfocuses on everything. But it's close enough for most people not to notice.

amalekite · 09-25-2005, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Few of us sell photography, we are mostly pornographers selling porn. Two totally different things.

100% correct!

Juilan · 09-25-2005, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Ezra

you need fast eu glass lens - I use the 24-70mm 2.8 - if you want it even faster go with a 50mm prime lens at 1.4 ? - about $300 usually for canon - be more specific on what you want to shoot.

Thanks for the reply, is it the quality of the glass or shooting with the aperture wide open that yields the most dynamic range?

quantum-x · 09-25-2005, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Juilan

Thanks for the reply, is it the quality of the glass or shooting with the aperture wide open that yields the most dynamic range?

Good glass lets you blow things up, and keep detail, and prevents chromatic aborration (slight loss of focus towards edges, and colour splitting), and vingetting (darker on the outsides)

Larger aperture will simply let you expose a shot more quickly, and will give a shallower depth of field- good for low light and portraits.

quantum-x · 09-25-2005, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by amalekite

Yeah the entire canon line has really poor contrast range. It's not you.. it's the camera. Unfortunately, you're going to have to fill the shadows in considerably to get useable natural looking detail with the 20D.

I used to own a Kodak DCS 520 back in the day (98). IT was a clunky digital camera with small file sizes, ate batteries up, was slow. But it's contrast range was beautiful. You could really notice the difference when shooting with windowlight. It killed the new canons. The D30 was a good pro-sumer level camera... but ever since the 10D was introduced canon has been nothing but a disappointment

The autofocus on the Canon digitals is poor too. The mark series is just as bad as the rebel. Consistenly backfocuses on everything. But it's close enough for most people not to notice.

I've never had any problems with my 1DS.
It focuses in -1EV, no problems. Just depends how you setup your grid.

quantum-x · 09-25-2005, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LexiLexxx
I have a canon digital rebel too, I shoot in raw form, but the camera is slow.
I would like to snap, snap, my pic. and it runs so slow...tells me it's busy.

What can I do? Anyone know?

Thanks
~LL

One obvious one - make sure your memory card is the fasted available - get a CF Ultra2 card as opposed to the Microdrive ones (for high end canon digis), for example, and you'll notice a marked difference.

DeanCapture · 09-25-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

See there ya go...

"I couldn't imagine that pictures shot from that camera will look any better than
pics shot from a 35mm DSLR camera....especially for internet use.

One can up the standard of their still photography just by working hard and
striving for quality and excellence in their work. A 22 MegaPixel Hassy does
not guarantee great photography" . Dean Capture slighting at Matrix.

"Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton
photographer must learn manual white balance...

Hahahaah...I was just thinking the same thing " Dean Capture slighting Thinkx

Thats just Couple simple examples and you are rather "Spammie".

I can hunt for more easily...

Now regarding meeting you. Honestly I have no need for you, I am not interested. Yes of course behind the scenes I am highly cordial and social, infact even "Likable" and I would call you a cocksucker to you're face right now. You got alot of learning to do on the net. You really are not ready to meet me.

I only really meet folks I wish to and do not meet those I rather not. Its rather simple. Don't get upset about it. It is just the way it is.

Hahahaah.....oh yea, I'm really "jumping all over other photogs" here

Naaaa....I knew you wouldn't meet with me the second I thought of asking. Like I said before, I know your kind. You talk such a big game as long as you can hide behind your keyboard but the bottom line is that your a fucking pussy and don't have the balls to backup your big fucking mouth. I know it and so does everyone reading this thread

Have a great life Alien - I'm finished arguing with your stupid ass

xxxgeneration · 09-25-2005, 08:31 AM

Hey Red...
Your work is awesome...
Glad to hear you are willing to be a mentor to others!

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