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Gary · 02-24-2002, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by Dualcpu
Amputate Your Head.

You certainly have a valid point there, however I think its in the best interest of the adult industy to ban certain types of content to protect itself. Bestiality is one of those which I think does not belong in this industry.

Just my opinion...

P.

Agreed, and after beast content, lets ban gay content. Then lets ban cumshots, fisting, anal, oral and work are way down the line. Its time to take a stand and stomp out porn!

Dualcpu · 02-24-2002, 12:49 PM

Gary,

I know you love having sex with goats, so your opinion is not really objective - is it?

;-)

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 12:51 PM

I'd love to see gay porn disappear... that shit makes me fuckin' sick.... but it's not gonna happen.

UnseenWorld · 02-24-2002, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

The ACT of bestiality is illegal in SOME states. Fucking an animal and looking at pics of someone fucking an animal are two different things.

So, you think that while rape is a crime, documenting it photographically and participating in making money off a rape would be an ethical thing to do. Hmm...

Gary · 02-24-2002, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by Dualcpu
Gary,

I know you love having sex with goats, so your opinion is not really objective - is it?

;-)

Good point.

UnseenWorld · 02-24-2002, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
Again, thats if you are fucking the animal. Then it would be the actors/producers problem. You are not going to prison for animal cruelty for showing pictures of a girl blowing a Rottweiler.

98% if all beast content on the web is owned and produced by two companies. 90% of the sites you see out there are using stolen beast content. There has been a serious cleanup of beast sites out there as Hans Berger has gone on a rampage shutting them down, or taking control of them. There are actually LESS beast sites now then there was a year ago. Virtually no new beast paysites have been created in months due to Hans Berger. So its not like this is some major rampant problem, beast taking over the internet.

I know someone well who runs a beast site. Processed by iBill and ccbill. Been doing it for like 5 years.

Personally, I wouldn't know someone who ran a bestiality site for long. It would be like associating with someone who thought running a rape site was ethical.

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

So, you think that while rape is a crime, documenting it photographically and participating in making money off a rape would be an ethical thing to do. Hmm...

actually, I believe trying to make money off an actual rape event would probly be illegal in some form as well... don't equate rape with beast.... it's not the same.

UnseenWorld · 02-24-2002, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Gary

Agreed, and after beast content, lets ban gay content. Then lets ban cumshots, fisting, anal, oral and work are way down the line. Its time to take a stand and stomp out porn!

Well, of course, the difference between a bestiality site and the other types of sites is very simple for anyone with more than one brain cell to detect: consent.

Jakke PNG · 02-24-2002, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Combs
how many of you can honestly tell people that you are an adult webmaster

I can. Tomorrow I make a 20min speech at my school describing what I do.

I wouldn't though if I made animal porn.

Dualcpu · 02-24-2002, 12:57 PM

Consent - the magical word.

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by Dualcpu
Consent - the magical word.

And if a Great Dane gets a woody and starts fuckin' some chick, I'd say that's consent from the Dane.

Forest · 02-24-2002, 12:59 PM

Does WOOF constitute consent?

xena · 02-24-2002, 01:03 PM

Yeahh, what's going, sign_up for a webmaster member at http://www.beastgate.com/webmaster/default.asp and make alot of money by promoting this site.

Thanks.

Remember 50/50 Partnership and 5% of all referred webmaster's income. That's a good deal.

Wiredoctor · 02-24-2002, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Labret you forgot to mention that Cybermedia earns more than the total revenues of all tgp webmasters + plenty paysites

I don't think so....but it's also 100% impossible to know because there in no possible way to know the combined total income of Evey tgp on the net...

Dualcpu · 02-24-2002, 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

And if a Great Dane gets a woody and starts fuckin' some chick, I'd say that's consent from the Dane.

Humans and animals are very different, they can't really be compared in this context.

Both have sexual feelings, but one of them can communicate and say YES or NO.

A horny dog can not agree or disagree to be put on the internet and have someone make money of there sexual activities.

Or can he?

Wiredoctor · 02-24-2002, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dualcpu
Amputate Your Head.

You certainly have a valid point there, however I think its in the best interest of the adult industy to ban certain types of content to protect itself. Bestiality is one of those which I think does not belong in this industry.

Just my opinion...

P.

Exactly the point...It's just 1 more bad thing for the industry...

xena · 02-24-2002, 01:11 PM

Take a look here

UnseenWorld · 02-24-2002, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

And if a Great Dane gets a woody and starts fuckin' some chick, I'd say that's consent from the Dane.

Yes, and if a 12 year old human boy gets a woody over someone, "It's Showtime!" according to the same logic.

UnseenWorld · 02-24-2002, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

actually, I believe trying to make money off an actual rape event would probly be illegal in some form as well... don't equate rape with beast.... it's not the same.

You don't think it's animal abuse, then? Frankly, I think there have to be limits, and I think bestiality falls outside the limits of what I want in our industry to represent.

And of course, you can't truly "equate" any two non-identical things. YOU used the word equate, not me, so you are putting words in my mouth. I would use the word "compare," not "equate." And of course one does compare two non-identical things, because comparison is irrelevant in the case of identical ones.

Theo · 02-24-2002, 01:26 PM

Wiredoctor, trust me i know how to compare things and I know how many weeks it needs for a tgp to jump to no15 of sextracker...only one. Cybermedia is around for several decades and currently a monopoly in probably best converting niche on the web. A year ago they went after all beast paysites with their laywers claiming they have the rights of 90% of the beast content ever produced. They closed almost all of them. Let's not forget also that internet in not the no1 source of income for large adult companies.

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Dualcpu

Humans and animals are very different, they can't really be compared in this context.

Both have sexual feelings, but one of them can communicate and say YES or NO.

A horny dog can not agree or disagree to be put on the internet and have someone make money of there sexual activities.

Or can he?

and I know countless models who do adult photo shoots who do not actually AGREE to having their pics put on the Net either... but they sign away their rights to the pics in a release form (that they NEVER read) in order to have the pics taken. And part of that deal, whether they know it or not or consent to it or not, is that their pics will be used for posters, calenders, etc.. and will be sold as digital content to thousands of webmasters all over the world who will then, in turn, put them up on tens of thousands of websites.

But that's really not even necessary to go that far... we're talking about an animal... which, as far as I understand it, is still classified as PROPERTY. Whether it's illegal in some state or not to fuck a cow, I don't really care or need to know... I'm not the guy fucking the cow. But I don't recall anyone needing consent from their blowup doll before they fuck it either... why? Because it's a piece of fucking property.

If someone is fucking their farm animals and their neighbor busts him out, then he's gotta face the consequences of that depending on where he lives. But if it's not illegal to post pics of it, then leave that guy alone. He didn't do anything wrong.

Who made you the morality police?

Did you know there are states where it is still illegal for a woman to give a guy a blowjob? But I bet you have no problem putting up sites with cum sprayed all over some chicks face do you? How do you filter for the places where that is illegal? What if she didn't know those pics were going to be all over the Net? What if a week later her mother tripped across the site and saw her daughter with a ten inch cock stuffed down her throat?

Where is the line?

I don't like gay porn. I think it shouldn't be allowed to exist. I also don't like these whacked out bible thumpers. They should be rounded up and put on a remote island somewhere. But just because I think these things, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. It's really not about what YOU find tasteful or not.

It's about what's legal.

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
Yes, and if a 12 year old human boy gets a woody over someone, "It's Showtime!" according to the same logic.

No... that is illegal. Nice effort to twist things though.

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
You don't think it's animal abuse, then? Frankly, I think there have to be limits, and I think bestiality falls outside the limits of what I want in our industry to represent.

Then perhaps you should get out of content and get into politics. Maybe you can change the world.

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
And of course, you can't truly "equate" any two non-identical things. YOU used the word equate, not me, so you are putting words in my mouth. I would use the word "compare," not "equate." And of course one does compare two non-identical things, because comparison is irrelevant in the case of identical ones.

Don't nitpik over small shit.

Theo · 02-24-2002, 01:44 PM

if anyone is gonna sign please do it under my refferal
http://www.beastgate.com/refer?rolli...ed-the-chicken

thanks pals

UnseenWorld · 02-24-2002, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

Don't nitpik over small shit.

When two words mean just about the opposite, it's nitpicking?

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
When two words mean just about the opposite, it's nitpicking?

Okay Unseen.... I'll play.

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
And of course, you can't truly "equate" any two non-identical things. YOU used the word equate, not me, so you are putting words in my mouth. I would use the word "compare," not "equate." And of course one does compare two non-identical things, because comparison is irrelevant in the case of identical ones.

I AM NOT putting words in YOUR mouth. I'm speaking the words from MY mouth. However.. your VAST knowledge and comprehension of the English language should have told you that yes, you were in fact attempting to equate rape with beast in the given context of the discussion. Therefore I submit:

Equate
Equality
Excerpt: "... ; similarity . equalization, equation; equilibration, coordination..."

2. COMPARATIVE QUANTITY
[Sameness of quantity or degree] Equality.

[Antonyms: inequality.]

[Nouns] equality, parity, coextension, symmetry, balance, poise; evenness, monotony, level.

equivalence; equipollence, equipoise, equilibrium, equiponderance; par, quits, a wash; not a pin to choose; distinction without a difference, six of one and half a dozen of the other; tweedle dee and tweedle dum; identity [more]; similarity [more].

equalization, equation; equilibration, coordination, adjustment, readjustment.

drawn game, drawn battle; neck and neck race; tie, draw, standoff, dead heat.

match, peer, compeer, equal, mate, fellow, brother; equivalent.

[Verbs] be equal; equal, match, reach, keep pace with, run abreast; come to, amount to, come up to; be on a level with, lie on a level with; balance; cope with; come to the same thing.

render equal; equalize, level, dress, balance, equate, handicap, give points, spot points, handicap, trim, adjust, poise; fit, accommodate; adapt (render accordant) [more]; strike a balance; establish equality, restore equality, restore equilibrium; readjust; stretch on the bed of Procrustes.

[Adjectives] equal, even, level, monotonous, coequal, symmetrical, coordinate; on a par with, on a level with, on a footing with; up to the mark; equiparant.

equivalent, tantamount; indistinguishable; quits; homologous; synonymous [more]; resolvable into, convertible, much at one, as broad as long, neither more nor less; much the same as, the same thing as, as good as; all one, all the same; equipollent, equiponderant, equiponderous, equibalanced; equalized; drawn; half and half; isochronal, isochronous, isoperimetric, isoperimetrical; isobath, isobathic.

[Adverbs] equally; pari passu, ad eundum, caeteris paribus; in equilibrio; to all intents and purposes.

And most importanly:

[Phrases] it comes to the same thing, it amounts to the same thing; what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

So get off your fucking high horse. This is completely irrelavant to the discussion. You KNOW & UNDERSTAND the point which was being made. YES... you are nitpicking.

BUT.... if it makes you feel better so you can sleep tonight.... I shall rephrase:

DON'T COMPARE rape with beast. They are NOT the same thing.

Forest · 02-24-2002, 02:08 PM

DON'T COMPARE rape with beast. They are NOT the same thing
_______________________________________

In beastiality you ARE rapeing the animal

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
So get off your fucking high horse.

(no pun intended here.)

Theo · 02-24-2002, 02:16 PM

i feel empty

UnseenWorld · 02-24-2002, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

I AM NOT putting words in YOUR mouth. I'm speaking the words from MY mouth. However.. your VAST knowledge and comprehension of the English language should have told you that yes, you were in fact attempting to equate rape with beast in the given context of the discussion. Therefore I submit:

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Methinks thou dost protest too much.

I'm confident most rational beings understood the distinction I was making.

pr0view · 02-24-2002, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by SR

Killing an horse to eat it is worse then giving it a blowjob.

yeah, i guess all those bestialty babes are pure vegetarian... how can you eat it if it came in your mouth?

UnseenWorld · 02-24-2002, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by SR

Killing an horse to eat it is worse then giving it a blowjob.

Killing a prey animal to eat it is fulfilling its natural destiny and is in no way an aberration.

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
Methinks thou dost protest too much.

I'm confident most rational beings understood the distinction I was making.

and I am confident most EVERYONE understood what I was saying the first time around.

I'm not protesting anything... I made a simple and easy to understand post about not (here's a new one for ya) *relating*, equating, comparing.... whatever YOU wanna call it.... I don't care... the act of raping a woman with the act of having sex with an animal, because they simply are not even close.

And now you will say I am putting MORE words into your mouth because you didn't specify the rape of a *woman*.

I call this nitpicking.

and then you wanted to nitpik about word meanings and what is classified as nitpicking... so here we are. More than happy to participate.

SykkBoy · 02-24-2002, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

So, you think that while rape is a crime, documenting it photographically and participating in making money off a rape would be an ethical thing to do. Hmm...

have you ever seen the movies "The Accused", "The Outlaw Josey Wales" and "Showgirls"? All contained rape scenes...

I see a lot of movies every day that "depict" crimes such as murder, rape and theft.....

SykkBoy · 02-24-2002, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by Dualcpu

Humans and animals are very different, they can't really be compared in this context.

Both have sexual feelings, but one of them can communicate and say YES or NO.

A horny dog can not agree or disagree to be put on the internet and have someone make money of there sexual activities.

Or can he?

you know, I was watching "Frasier" on the tv the other night and saw this little dog on there....I know the dog (well his owners anyways) make a ton of money...I wonder if the dog signed a contract with his little paw? Just things I wonder about.....

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 02:47 PM

Like I said... it comes down to a matter of legality. If it's legal, it's really not important what you THINK. Nobody elected you High Priest of Better Morality in Porn. If the laws change and it becomes illegal next week, then so be it. I'll be more than happy to make a sign and join the mob mentality. Until then, stop crying. Nobody cares how you FEEL about it.

Theo · 02-24-2002, 02:47 PM

i got my 1st refferal
Sykkboy2! thanks bro

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2
you know, I was watching "Frasier" on the tv the other night and saw this little dog on there....I know the dog (well his owners anyways) make a ton of money...I wonder if the dog signed a contract with his little paw? Just things I wonder about.....

You have a very good point there Sykk... somebody needs to bring down that network for raping that dog.

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 02:51 PM

found this on a legal site:

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- Having sex with someone else's animal without the owner's permission is a crime against property, the same as if someone "borrowed" his horse to haul their carriage without his permission.

interesting....

Randy · 02-24-2002, 02:52 PM

I just want to know what looser, pathetic dog shit for brain photographer takes pictures of that nasty stuff. The participants on the animal fucking behavior are sick and need help but the persons publishing it are just not right.
I mean what do they tell their family?!

Hey how was work today?

" nothing, I just filmed some guy killing a chicken by fucking it in the ass"

Did any one ask that poor chicken if death by dick was the way she wanted to pass on?!!

Any how fuck all the ungodly bastards involved in beastiality.

SykkBoy · 02-24-2002, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
i got my 1st refferal
Sykkboy2! thanks bro :thumbsup

anything to help out a bro......

Fido is one bad pimping motherfucker...

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by Randy
Did any one ask that poor chicken if death by dick was the way she wanted to pass on?!!

Did anyone ask KFC's millions of chickens if they wanted to be Kentucky Fried?

It's a fucking chicken. Get over it.

[Labret] · 02-24-2002, 02:55 PM

This thread brings me great joy.

SykkBoy · 02-24-2002, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Randy

Did any one ask that poor chicken if death by dick was the way she wanted to pass on?!!

you think Col. Sanders asked HIS chickens their preference for demise?

Aussie Rebel · 02-24-2002, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Rip

besides what are all those ugly fucks that can't get a girl gonna do?

They become webmasters and post here

Theo · 02-24-2002, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

Did anyone ask KFC's millions of chickens if they wanted to be Kentucky Fried?

It's a fucking chicken. Get over it.

ahahahahahahahahaHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAAHA

FATPad · 02-24-2002, 03:01 PM

I'm not a big fan of beastiality sites, and I really wish they would get shutdown, but making "consent" the issue to do it is pretty lame....

If that's the only reason you think a beasty site should be shutdown something is wrong.

Randy · 02-24-2002, 03:01 PM

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Did anyone ask KFC's millions of chickens if they wanted to be Kentucky Fried?

well at least they did not die just for someone's sexual pleaseure.
And the chicken dialog was just to prove a point about the disgusting beastiality stuff.
Of course if you take it littaraly it has no validity cause we kill millions of chickens a day.
We can make fun of the statement all we want but still does not change the fact that it is not cool.

SykkBoy · 02-24-2002, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Randy

well at least they did not die just for someone's sexual pleaseure.
And the chicken dialog was just to prove a point about the disgusting beastiality stuff.
Of course if you take it littaraly it has no validity cause we kill millions of chickens a day.
We can make fun of the statement all we want but still does not change the fact that it is not cool.

well, I'd like to thank you for being our paragon of cool....

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2002, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Randy
well at least they did not die just for someone's sexual pleaseure.

Nope... but millions of trees did so we can print porn mags on them. DOWN WITH PORN!!! I'm going out to chain myself to a tree right now.

Quote:

Originally posted by Randy
We can make fun of the statement all we want but still does not change the fact that it is not cool.

and again... your FEELINGS aren't important. The law is.

02-24-2002, 02:52 PM	#90
Randy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LA Posts: 335	I just want to know what looser, pathetic dog shit for brain photographer takes pictures of that nasty stuff. The participants on the animal fucking behavior are sick and need help but the persons publishing it are just not right. I mean what do they tell their family?! Hey how was work today? " nothing, I just filmed some guy killing a chicken by fucking it in the ass" Did any one ask that poor chicken if death by dick was the way she wanted to pass on?!! Any how fuck all the ungodly bastards involved in beastiality. __________________ Thanks Randy [email protected]

02-24-2002, 12:49 PM	#52
Dualcpu Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Europe Posts: 488	Gary, I know you love having sex with goats, so your opinion is not really objective - is it? ;-)

02-24-2002, 12:51 PM	#53
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	I'd love to see gay porn disappear... that shit makes me fuckin' sick.... but it's not gonna happen.

02-24-2002, 12:57 PM	#60
Dualcpu Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Europe Posts: 488	Consent - the magical word.

02-24-2002, 12:59 PM	#62
Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 8,997	Does WOOF constitute consent?

02-24-2002, 01:03 PM	#63
xena Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 7	Yeahh, what's going, sign_up for a webmaster member at http://www.beastgate.com/webmaster/default.asp and make alot of money by promoting this site. Thanks. Remember 50/50 Partnership and 5% of all referred webmaster's income. That's a good deal.

02-24-2002, 01:11 PM	#67
xena Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 7	Take a look here

02-24-2002, 01:26 PM	#70
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Wiredoctor, trust me i know how to compare things and I know how many weeks it needs for a tgp to jump to no15 of sextracker...only one. Cybermedia is around for several decades and currently a monopoly in probably best converting niche on the web. A year ago they went after all beast paysites with their laywers claiming they have the rights of 90% of the beast content ever produced. They closed almost all of them. Let's not forget also that internet in not the no1 source of income for large adult companies.

02-24-2002, 01:44 PM	#74
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	if anyone is gonna sign please do it under my refferal http://www.beastgate.com/refer?rolli...ed-the-chicken thanks pals

02-24-2002, 02:08 PM	#77
Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 8,997	DON'T COMPARE rape with beast. They are NOT the same thing _______________________________________ In beastiality you ARE rapeing the animal

02-24-2002, 02:16 PM	#79
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i feel empty

02-24-2002, 02:47 PM	#86
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Like I said... it comes down to a matter of legality. If it's legal, it's really not important what you THINK. Nobody elected you High Priest of Better Morality in Porn. If the laws change and it becomes illegal next week, then so be it. I'll be more than happy to make a sign and join the mob mentality. Until then, stop crying. Nobody cares how you FEEL about it.

02-24-2002, 02:55 PM	#93
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	This thread brings me great joy.

02-24-2002, 03:01 PM	#97
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	I'm not a big fan of beastiality sites, and I really wish they would get shutdown, but making "consent" the issue to do it is pretty lame.... If that's the only reason you think a beasty site should be shutdown something is wrong.